Yes I couldn't believe it when the line-up was announced but Mourinho will learn from this and about Lingard
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Yes I couldn't believe it when the line-up was announced but Mourinho will learn from this and about Lingard
Strange call.
Very strange to 1) give him his first start today, and 2) on the left.
Looked so off it, Miki looked on the pace in comparison!
Most obvious half time sub of all time.
Should probably play Thursday though. Get some confidence in
Looked so off it, Miki looked on the pace in comparison!
Most obvious half time sub of all time.
Should probably play Thursday though. Get some confidence in
The guy had a 'mare. It can happen.
The knee jerk reactions though.
The knee jerk reactions though.
He is young. It happens.
He was very good at their place last year so it's not like he can't compete at this level. Personally I don't think he's a winger and as others have said strange to play him in a game like this knowing he's not match fit.
Thought Jose got it wrong to start him in his first game since the Community Shield. Should've been one of the impact subs to run at tired legs.
Regardless, he'll make up for it in the return leg and dab at the Emptihad. Watch this space
Regardless, he'll make up for it in the return leg and dab at the Emptihad. Watch this space
I can understand starting him, I wanted him to start as well. He was fantastic in the community shield and showed excellent work rate and finishing during all of pre-season and was only dropped because of injury. But the fact is he hasn't played first team football for a month.
He's definitely better than what he's shown but this was a really disappointing performance from him.
He's definitely better than what he's shown but this was a really disappointing performance from him.
Needs to go. Not united quality.
Awful today, but some are overreacting. He's a good squad player to have, but, in a game like this, he should not be starting over Martial and Rashford. Especially as he's been out injured for around a month.
Very strange to start him, particularly over Martial
The second part was weirder. I didnt mind that we were going for pace but he defo should play on the right or not at all.
I did think Jose should have changed it around after the first 15 minutes and put Lingard right, rooney left and Mkhi centrally.
He turns 24 in a few months I think. He's not really that 'young' anymore.
The occasion got to him. Looked very nervy.
He's better than this.
He's better than this.
José's first clanger.
Hopefully the last we'll see of Lingard, can't even control a ball under his foot.
Abysmal.
Hopefully the last we'll see of Lingard, can't even control a ball under his foot.
Abysmal.
Mare of performance. Even his usual good defensive positioning and hard work none exist this game. All over the place.
Yes. I suppose that's the first thing that came to your mind as you watched him put those goals in the back of the net right? Did it hurt you to even celebrate?
Scoring a couple goals doesn't automatically make a player good enough to be a starter for United. Do you remember Macheda?
He puts in a lot of effort but seriously lacks upper body strength and is extremely lightweight.
When he's attacking he can't shrug off a defender and when he's defending he can't outmuscle a forward.
When he's attacking he can't shrug off a defender and when he's defending he can't outmuscle a forward.
I am struggling to imagine how he could have been any worse. I don't remember anything other than him mis controlling balls played along the floor. Even on your biggest off day ever, this performance is not acceptable and fatigue can't exactly be an excuse...
Jose: "I learned a lot about some of my players today"
Nice knowing you Jesse...
Jose: "I learned a lot about some of my players today"
Nice knowing you Jesse...
Be hard for him to recover from yesterday, I agree. He won't be sold because he's a local lad, has scored some important goals and is a good squad option, but he's almost definitely lost his starting place and I don't see him ever regaining it. Shame for him but that's how shocking his performance was.
You're not seriously comparing him to Macheda are you? Lindgard has shown that he can produce on the big stage. That's a player Jose is going to keep. Players like Phil Neville, O'shea, Brown, Butt, Fletcher, Fortune and Park all had a role to play towards United's success without being superstars. What barometer are you guys measuring Lingard against when you say he's not 'United material'? @Scholesy He most probably won't be a Scholes but he's definitely going to contribute. Fergie said he'd be a late bloomer and it seems he got it right. Lingard's tactical awareness is among the best in our team, that's why LVG replaced Memphis with him, why Jose started him against Leicester and City
I admire your unconditional love for Lingard but we can't afford any passengers in this league. Perhaps he can contribute to the squad but this league has gone up a few levels again since the likes of PNev etc were here.
I don't understand why people are so quick to attack him when he performs poorly. Same applies to Blind and Fellaini, too.
Two big goals in two of our biggest games in the last three years and he isn't a big game player? Scored a great goal against Chelsea, last season. Was inches away from scoring a wonderful goal against City in this fixture last October. Showed up against Arsenal at home, too.
He was horrible yesterday, but he never should have started. I still like him a lot, and feel he will be far more than a squad player for us.
Two big goals in two of our biggest games in the last three years and he isn't a big game player? Scored a great goal against Chelsea, last season. Was inches away from scoring a wonderful goal against City in this fixture last October. Showed up against Arsenal at home, too.
He was horrible yesterday, but he never should have started. I still like him a lot, and feel he will be far more than a squad player for us.
Agree. And the likes of Phil Neville played when others were injured.
The fact that Mourinho chose Lingard over a fit Martial, Rashford AND Mata is extremely worrying.
This lad is a fighter, and the haters can keep hating but he'll keep proving people wrong. Wasn't great but he'll come back. That said, his biggest challenge is getting back in the team...
Lingard in his best form is tactical nous & hard working in defensive phase while having certain good impact on attacking side with his movement and link up play. With that in mind, him starting in a tight game is not bad idea considering Mata defensive quality is lacking (not his effort in helping out defending) and Mata is slower and more often of a passenger/luxury/ impact player. Martial's form lately was not convincing to cover for his defensive contribution which is not on the same level as best form Lingard. Rashford was solely considered as a forward. Rashford can be an emergency wide player as yesterday, but it's better for him focus on learning the forward position than being jack of all trades doing trial everywhere.
Lingard usually does well in his defensive duty even in his bad attacking game. Yesterday he couldn't even do that and definitely his worst game I ever seen. No one can predict that.
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Ok, he might not be but if thats the case we have a squad of 15+ players that are not United quality.
This thread is fecking embarrassing, lets all hate Lingard and ignore that everyone else who started bar Shaw were poor, you can add maybe Valencia into it and go from poor to awful. Lingard had his first game(said it before the game that isnt smart to give him his first game in a month in a derby) after injury, Mikhi also lacks game time and was doubtful before the game so this two actually have some kind of excuse.
Whats the excuse for our 100m midfield general? Whats the excuse for our star strikers who combined earn 500k per week and so on....fact is, Mourinho got it wrong and in our first proper test we were found out because the starting 11 was/is just not good enough.
We break the record for Pogba and then build a team around Rooney who is pathetic this days. So Pogba in wrong position paired with fecking Fellaini who at least started winning 50:50 duels so at least he masks his poor performances. Everyone can see that Rooney Ibra partnership doesnt work but they both start every fecking game....both drop deep, both want to create, nobody makes runs etc. and we have Rashford on the bench who is class above Rooney and in big games id rather depend on him then on Ibrahimovic.
I have never seen a player at United with worse movement of the ball in attack, especially in counter attacks. He always end up being covered/behind players and can't seem to understand how to move in correlation to the teammate moving the ball forward. The thing people will make up
You talk about this one game right?I have never seen a player at United with worse movement of the ball in attack, especially in counter attacks. He always end up being covered/behind players and can't seem to understand how to move in correlation to the teammate moving the ball forward. The thing people will make up
If not, you must have slept through last season. What is the most annoying & frustrating thing about Lingard is he's in good position to receive chance but fails to convert/poor end product.
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Herein lies the problem. Has has some good moments but so do most players in the pl. we need game changers in every position if we are going to win this league. Can Lingard compete against the likes of Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Oscar, fabregas, Willian, Silva, Sterling, De Bruyne, Nasri, hazard, Navas?
Nasri and Cuadrado are more talented and have proven far more than Lingard in their leagues but were deemed surplus to requirements at their clubs. Does that not tell us something?
Young players like Rashford should be given time to reach the level required but at 24 years old Lingard should be doing a lot more. We need to put the local lad sentiment aside at times and have a hard headed approach if we truly want to get back to the top. Lingard would not be in our rivals' squads yet we expect him to play and expect the team to be winning leagues?
Blind and Fellaini are liable as well as Lingard, but this is the Lingard thread.
We're talking about a player who just scored the winner in the FA cup four months ago and followed that up with another fine Wembley goal against Leicester! That's no small contribution. The league may have improved but that doesn't have shit to do with the fact that no team can have 23 superstars. Passenger indeed
I'm shocked at all the kneejerking in here over one bad half.
He's just put quite a big dent in reputation and his chances of a national call up. Journos and pundits will remember him as the guy who kept letting the ball role under his foot in a high pressure game and then was then taken off at half time. The FA cup winner will be long forgotten.
There are a lot of mid and lower table players who score a few goals too mate. I'm trying to be objective here and I'm not knee jerking, I've been speaking about Lingard in this way for a while but that recent performance was beyond poor.
Why would one bad half at the start of the season be remembered over an FA cup winner? In the short term sure but I doubt anyone will be talking about or the City game in a month time.
I fecking hate the Caf at times. He was a great asset to us last year, and an anonymous half and a failure to control a pass does not say everything about the lad.
Also, someone needs to have a look at the newb system. The past year I've seen sooooo many moronic knee-jerk contributions from the <1k lot, can't recall it being this bad before.
Also, someone needs to have a look at the newb system. The past year I've seen sooooo many moronic knee-jerk contributions from the <1k lot, can't recall it being this bad before.
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