Mou is equally to blame. He was injured for a while, nowhere to be seen, starts the derby 
Then expects him to perform on his normal level.
Then expects him to perform on his normal level.
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He was absolutely awful. In his defence, he should never have started. But regardless, the performance was not acceptable.
Unexpectedly caved under pressure. He was shocking today.
Bizarre decision. Wonder if Jose though the Pogba Lingard linkup would work since they are friends. He's got no business starting over Martial and Rashford on the LW.
Shouldn't have played but is poor when he is pressed anyway.
Did you read my full post? I actually said "good solid shift" not just a shift (solid is a qualifier in this example although you could change it to dependable/uninspiring if you wish)
I clearly stated it was probably his worst half of football ever (based on what I have seen obviously). Hardly a defence of him for today's performance.
As for putting in a ("good solid") shift, which was a reference to his usual performances not today's: So you could cover 10-11km in mostly short sprints over the course of 90mins whilst sticking to the tactical remit of a fuss pot like LVG and actually produce the odd goal and assist?
I suggest you go and do so because it is generally worth 10's of thousands of pounds per week to the clubs that would employ you.
I think Jose was hoping his hard work and pressing would unsettle the fullback but he was off the pace and poor in receiving the ball in the fist 25 minutes, I do think that at 24 he has room to continue to develop as last season was his first full one at senior PL level. .
I suppose it's just a difference of opinions, but I don't see him improving much. We can all see why he and Mkhitaryan started, in theory, but it didn't come off and both had a woeful half of football.
Did he actually touch the ball? I genuinely can't remember if he did or not.
That was a truly woeful performance, I think Mourinho has to take some responsibility though because he has been injured for a bit. Not even Blind's mistakes on both goals could even top that though it was shocking and the fans were really getting on his back.
all needed saying today was he played as badly as iv seen him play .. Saying he put in a shift is a pointless attempt at defending him which he doesn't deserve today simple as that .
you may as well say he played terrible but his hair was nice
Personally, when you consider the quality we have in the squad, I don't even think he should be making the bench. Young would have been a far better option.
Big fan of Jesse, but Mikhitaryan apart, he was our worst player today.
Neither should have started.
Neither should have started.
I just want to cry when I see a performance like that. I don't think there's a future for him in a team like United under Mourinho. He's just got nothing to offer. He was moved a little bit more central where he could carry the ball and get closer to the box. That's just not good enough. Will be nothing more than the new Kieran Richardson for us.
Think he touched it about 4 times, after that he hid from the ball for the rest of the half. He was horrific. His touches included passing it to them 3 times then knocking it against his own hand and out of play.
Did you read the my last post or my original post?
I didn't say he put in a shift today I said it was possibly his worst half of football ever. I made no defence of his performance today and it is clearly stated in my last post.
The bit regarding a shift was about why I thought Jose may have selected him. This is the entirety of my original post that started this weird reading comprehension fracas.
So it seems you have replied to a post that you misunderstood (or haven't bothered reading properly) that I had to make because someone else failed to understand (or read properly) the original post I made.
Perhaps "solid shit" is a more accurate description.
I've said this many times in this thread, but Lingard is not worthy of a starting spot at Manchester United. Failed to control simple passes on numerous occasions. He has no future here and must be sold.
Did nothing today. Touch was off, work rate wasn't there and so many potential counters broke down because of him or Miki. Can't see him starting too much anymore. I know it's just one game, but when we have Rashford, Mata and Martial on the bench, those 3 will walk into the side ahead of him in the future. Both for big games and normal games.
He had a good game against leicester, but those games are few and far between, while he is invisible most other times.
He had a good game against leicester, but those games are few and far between, while he is invisible most other times.
Well at least that is an opinion that can be debated rather than an attempt to misrepresent what I said and so in the the current context you have my kudos sir.
I think he is worthy of a squad role even if he is somewhat unspectacular.
Clearly our last four managers disagree. He's been quite good over the past couple of years.
When we are on the counter he is never an option. He just don't know how to move of the ball and is always behind an opposition player.
He was even caught behind the ref, didn't know if I should laugh or cry.
He was even caught behind the ref, didn't know if I should laugh or cry.
He didn't play a PL game under SAF , not even under Moyes, disagreeing with LvG I'm not worried about and I think Mourinho playing him for one half is not an overwhelming recommendation
We developed him during that time though. It's obvious the managers believed in him otherwise he would've gone the way of Tunnicliffe. What's amazing to me is why Lingard is even getting a hard time when he's been very good when he has actually played for us. Today being an obvious exception, which can be attributed to a lack of playing time (his first league game this year).
Sorry but his good games for us have been the exception, if he wasn't a local lad and brought through the ranks he wouldn't evenget as much support as he does from the fans on here.
He played quite well in the CS , that was his first game of the season, and I hoped that he would have improved since last season but today was a typical performance probably worse than the majority of his games last season
He's at best a squad player and would do reasonably well in the Championship.
He should be nowhere near a team trying to challenge for the title
You can say that about most of our players during the LvG era, so that's not really saying much about Lingard specifically. He is more than good enough to play for us - which he will prove yet again this year.
He's been good this season and I was starting to warm up to him, but my god that game today.
It's like a fan won a raffle ticket to get a 1st half for United in the derby. He was absolutely woeful. I don't think he did 1 thing right.
It's like a fan won a raffle ticket to get a 1st half for United in the derby. He was absolutely woeful. I don't think he did 1 thing right.
If he is starting ahead of Rashford or Martial or Mata or Mkhi (yes he had a bad game today) we have a problem
What do you know about Lingard that Mourinho doesn't ?
I've probably seen him play more often
I have a feeling Mourinho will not be playing him very often
Has earned my benefit of the doubt. Off day. Rust.
I've probably seen him play more often
I have a feeling Mourinho will not be playing him very often
I don't think this will affect Lingard at all. If anything Mourinho will realize his own mistake of playing Lingard and Mkhitaryan today after neither had enough minutes to be plopped into a full time starting situation. These things will be sorted out in training, future lineups and tactics.
A bit ridiculous that Lingard is getting a hard time for his performance today. That's his first appearance since the Community Shield.
To be honest..I don't think we will be seeing Jesse again until the League Cup...just a hunch mind....
A footballers career shouldn't be defined off one game, he's just come back from a month out. Yes he had a very poor half but he's got to be given chance to play himself into good form. For every bad game he's had for us, there's been a goal in the FA Cup final, to hound out an academy product off this performance would look so good on us.
I'd imagine he will play on Thursday.
I agree both shouldn't have started today but people who are trying to excuse an absolutely dire performance because he hasn't played since the CS is ridiculous - that suggests that anyone who hasn't started recent games can be excused for their next outing if they are pitifully absymal.
Anyway most people's opinion it is not just based on today's performance.
Not a big game starter. Should be a sub in games like this at best.
Well that's usually how it works isn't it. He hadn't played in the league at all, so it was Mourinho's mistake of starting him in the biggest game of the year. He should've been brought along in training and given a few minutes here and there to prepare for today. That is on Mourinho, not Lingard. I'm sure Jose learned his lesson and will proceed accordingly.
Had an absolute shocker today but let's not go overboard with the "shouldn't ever start for Man Utd" claims. He's been decent enough before for us and the likes of Martial and Rashford (or Mkhitaryan) won't always perform better than him.
I doubt Mourinho considers him as a first choice anyway but considering that Martial had been poor so far this season and Rashford/Mkhitaryan won't provide the defensive solidarity, it wasn't a huge surprise he played today. Too bad he had a real stinker today but managers always have time for players like Lingard to do a job from time to time.
I doubt Mourinho considers him as a first choice anyway but considering that Martial had been poor so far this season and Rashford/Mkhitaryan won't provide the defensive solidarity, it wasn't a huge surprise he played today. Too bad he had a real stinker today but managers always have time for players like Lingard to do a job from time to time.
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