The report can suggest whatever it wants, Starmer will just agree with whatever the Tories think should happen
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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The amount of damage he and his cronies have done to the Labour party is enormous. Would not be surprised to see him lose the whip. The man is a disaster.
@Dobba has just been awakened by this post. He’ll be here soon.
Unless there's something really damning in that report like actual anti-semtism from Corbyn then it's a total own goal from Labour.
I really hope they do it because it will split the party and it's what the centre-left deserve.
The payout to the "whistle-blowers" is bad enough. Sam Matthews who, according to leaked report, obstructed anti-semitism disciplinary procedures to damage the party gets a payout and an apology. Ridiculous.
The payout to the "whistle-blowers" is bad enough. Sam Matthews who, according to leaked report, obstructed anti-semitism disciplinary procedures to damage the party gets a payout and an apology. Ridiculous.
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Their response would suggest there is something really damning in it.
the EHRC report would normally be sent to Labour about a month before its published so they may have a copy... thing is the factions in labour are so hostile to each other Id be shocked if they could prevent the report from leaking - that said I see they are also looking to pay an out of court settlement with the whistlebowers who went on panorama as well so they may be looking into damage control measures from the report and chucking corbyn under the bus has always seemed the most likley outcome to me - partially because it enables them to move on - mostly because some of the antisemitic stuff that seemed to be allowed was awful and it got so much worse under his watch / leadership
If there was anti-semitism he'd already be under investigation though so i wouldn't be so sure.
Reminder that the Panorama documentary was made by a journalist who took a paid trip to Israel organised by the World Women’s International Zionist Organization
Doesn't mean the investigation was incorrect or misleading. If the evidence is there it's there. The report will make interesting reading.
the fact that the people involved have sued the labour party for libel and now labour are now ready to make a public apology in high court actively suggests the evidence was not incorrect or misleading
Yes there is definitely no political motivations at play here. Just an extremely normal settlement to a legal case that they knew they couldn't win. Definitely.
Short term yes, but long term it would be good. They need to rip the bandage off and rebuild. Labour is only ever going backwards whilst people like him are in their ranks.
funny Labour are standing up in court admitting it wasnt deliberately misleading - you know based on an actual court case and evidence
well labour except corbyn, formby and milne... but fingers crossed they wont be labour soon either
Starmer seems to be doing a good job so far of righting the Labour ship and getting rid of some of the people who nearly sunk the party.
Are you going to engage with the issue that we literally have leaked emails from one of the people who is getting a payout showing that what they said in the documentary was false… or are we just going to pretend that this politically motivated court settlement is the end of the matter?
You know the answer to that.
It's apparently irrelevant that Labour were advised they'd win the case. The settlement looks a lot more like payment to me.
No I think its only the start of the prosecutions coming labour and corbyns way over antisemitism
I reject the ascertain that this is a politically motivated court decision - unless you have evidence as to the courts corruption which i agree would be a bigger issue (I asume you have evidence as you have just published the allegations?)
I also reject as do labour that there was deliberate misrepresentation in the panorama documentary - though if you wish to repeat those allegations please do so knowing that you will probably be committing libel on this board yourself so feel free to tag his lawyers into your allegations and you might want to give the owner of the cafe the heads up as well
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So what is your idea of Labour going forwards.
Kneeling for the cameras and then paying money to people who've targetted the most abused MP in the country and then bragged about it in internal emails.
Ah, that patented sun_tzu "I've definitely read the story" expertise in all its glory.
What are you on about with court corruption? Labour have decided to settle, what corruption do you think that entails?
Also what a load of absolute nonsense this post is especially given the posters record.
I dont - the person I quoted repeated libel allegations and suggested the court made a political decision - which would be corrupt -
They literally mentioned a court settlement. You even managed to stick it in bold type when you quoted it, ignored the word settlement and invented a conspiracy theory (out of absolutely nothing) that you then alleged they believed in but had no evidence for.
so Labour have got the EHRC report it seems
https://labourlist.org/2020/07/ehrc...nto-antisemitism-allegations-labour-confirms/
middle of next month hopefully for full publication
the fact that labour have now looked to settle the court case and rumours of kicking corbyn out of the party do suggest its going to be an interesting read though
https://labourlist.org/2020/07/ehrc...nto-antisemitism-allegations-labour-confirms/
middle of next month hopefully for full publication
the fact that labour have now looked to settle the court case and rumours of kicking corbyn out of the party do suggest its going to be an interesting read though
Companies don't settle because they think they won't win, they do it because they dont want the publicity of a drawn out court case, especially if they're playing the role of the bad guy.
No he said Labour had made a political decision to settle in court. As far as I'm aware the whistle-blower bit is an out of court settlement anyway it's only the BBC claim still at court.
Which bit is libel anyway? Mentioning the existence of videos that show one of the whistleblowers lied?
That kind of settlement doesn't often come with a full and unreserved public apology though. Not saying it isn't possible, but it seems more likely that they felt like they were in a losing position. I'd definitely trust Starmer's legal instincts over the likes of Corbyn and Milne anyway.
Oh i know, my missus writes such cheques for her employer routinely. I'd probably agree 'moving on' is more beneficial to the party then winning this case. I don't like my subs going to people actively working against the party though.
My point and i don't know why i bother with the troll is his deliberate mischaracterisation of events.
yeah if thats how they have dealt with allegations of antisemitsim this EHRC report is gonna be interesting - probably lucky for labour it looks like it will drop in the summer break
wonder if it will come up in PMQ's today
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-apologises-to-whistleblowers-and-ware-1.501788
It's simply an easy win for Starmer.
'The party everyone already thinks was choc full of anti semites was wrong, and I'm a departure from that and am going to continue fixing it'
The rights and wrongs of the case just don't matter.
I'd love for Starmer to get on and do some opposing now though, he could start with yesterday's report, for example.
Somebody who could come up with a credible opposition and wasn't more concerned with getting one over on his perceived enemies would be a good start. A character like Blair right now would win an election by a landslide.
They'd definitely be 20 points ahead.
It’s both amusing and rather sad to see how giddy people are at the prospect of Labour kicking Corbyn out (I think it’s almost impossible as for all his faults Starmer cannot be that short-sighted).
The same people who claim to care above all about electability believe that kicking out such a popular figure on the left is going to help the party somehow. Milibandism but with a nice dose of severe internal strife. The voters will come flooding back, I’m sure.
The same people who claim to care above all about electability believe that kicking out such a popular figure on the left is going to help the party somehow. Milibandism but with a nice dose of severe internal strife. The voters will come flooding back, I’m sure.
No we just dont want anybody who allowed unlawful racial discrimination to take place in the party - so if thats what the report says (i personally feel it will but we will have to wait to see that) then I say we kick all the racists out and if that includes corbyn (again I feel it will) fine - if it does not include him then sure let him stay
Aren't these whistleblowers the same people the leaked report earlier this year found intentionally mislead the leadership about the scale of the problem, sat on their arses whilst the caseload built up and failed to take action in a number of cast-iron cases, sometimes because they involved people with friends in high places on the right of the party?
If so, they should be some of the first people any investigation into Labour antisemitism looks into.
If so, they should be some of the first people any investigation into Labour antisemitism looks into.
We already know from the leaked report that is not the case, and that Corbyn’s office was often having to chase up anti-Semitic complaints because of how slow the process was being handled - which we know also now was in some instances deliberate, and misleading information was given to Corbyn’s office about the process. And we also know when Formby got appointed the process became much more thorough and robust, and dealt with cases far swifter than before. These are uncomfortable truths for you I’m sure, so I’m sure you’ll pretend it’s all fabricated rubbish.
the ehrc report has not yet been leaked in full
the 28 day process is consistent with if they have found illegal discrimination / victimisation has happened - if that happened under his leadership I want him out (a fish rots from the head etc)
I guess publication will be probably around middle of next month and we will see if any individuals are censured
Plus If guilty I guess labour will have to set aside millions for claims of discrimination and I'm not sure how much cash they have on hand?
Suspect we will see some pre-emptive action from Labour once westminister breaks up at the end of the week as they go into damage limitation mode ... hopefully with quick action they can be shown to be accepting of the report and will adopt any recommendations it makes otherwise this issue is going to hand around for a long while
Prepare to be disappointed.
Little reminder of what the leaked report actually documented.