Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Dobba said:


It's a good job that rule temporarily lapsed a few weeks back so Blair could go on BBC Radio and tell people to vote tactically, including against Labour.
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Also lapsed for Clive Lewis, don't forget.
 
fcbforever said:
Is it? I don't think so. His reaction to anti-semitism in his own party has been lukewarm at best, he openly admitted on having had contact to Paul Eisen and having donated to his organisation. That's a guy calling himself a holocaust denier with proud.

Combine that with his rather partisan views on the middle eastern conflict and his constant refusal to openly speak out against anti-semitism, that's enough for me.
He might not be an anti semit by heart, but he's near enough the line and tolerating enough stuff for me to despise him deeply.
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That's because there hasn't been any anti-semitism in his party barring a tweet from a school girl not yet of voting age who would go onto be a Labour councilor who I believe got banned from the party. Every other anti-semitism allegation were criticisms of the state of Israel during the 2014 massacre in Gaza. For the record the literature Naz Shah reposted was authored by a Jewish man.
 
fcbforever said:
. As you were the one claiming that Corbyns contact to Eisen was peripherical: Why would you have ANY contact with someone like that? Is there any reason?.
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A photograph has been produced of a memorial event which the Mail claims was run by Eisen. However, as this 2013 email sent out by the Palestinian Authority’s UK Mission shows, there was nothing in the advertising about the Holocaust and nothing naming Eisen. There were certainly no links to his blog.

Indeed, even on the Deir Yassin Remembered website, Eisen is not named on the contact page, the About page or the Board of Advisors page.

The page misleadingly includes several people as advisors who resigned after some of the the group’s troubling associations became clear.

This includes the Palestinian-American novelist Susan Abulhawa, who stepped down after Eisen wrote an anti-Semitic post on his blog.

The site of an infamous historical massacre of Palestinian civilians, Deir Yassin was a Palestinian village invaded and destroyed by Zionist militias before the establishment of Israel.

Corbyn was therefore not the only person misled by Deir Yassin Remembered, as detailed in recent blog posts by long standing Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) activists Diane Langford and Tony Greenstein.

The Jewish Socialist journalist Charlie Pottins recounts on his blog the real story of Paul Eisen’s transformation. As he puts it: “if Jeremy Corbyn attended annual events commemorating the Deir Yassin massacre, where is the evidence that he or anybody else at these events thought they were there to support Holocaust denial?”

Finally, it’s worth noting that, as Greenstein recounts, Corbyn was present, as PSC patron, at the 2012 PSC conference where a Holocaust denier was expelled by a massive majority.
 
dunno who mentioned her in last few pages, lost track sorry, but...

I don't see Long-Bailey as the answer for presentation - delivery - electability, atm. Got a droning-on situation to address for me, Clive.
 
Noam Chomsky said:
"If I were a voter in Britain, I would vote for him (Corbyn)” said Chomsky

“There are various reasons for that – partly an extremely hostile media, partly his own personal style which I happen to like but perhaps that doesn’t fit with the current mood of the electorate,”

“He’s quiet, reserved, serious, he’s not a performer. The parliamentary Labour party has been strongly opposed to him. It has been an uphill battle.”

“If he had a fair treatment from the media – that would make a big difference.”
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FC Ronaldo said:
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Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.
 
rednev said:
Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.
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Yeah what qualification has this Russian guy got to give his opinion anyway?
 
I like Chomsky but he's just an academic. I find it bizarre how much weight his opinions are given. Some things he makes good arguments for and others the complete opposite. Also a bit of meme at this point - I'm half expecting to see him (in the article) blame US airstrikes for Corbyns lack of support.
 
rednev said:
Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.
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The same kook that is pretty much objectively regarded as one of the greatest minds of our time and has been writing on world events for 60 years in an almost prophetic and uncanny manner?

But no let's go with the genius minds at The Sun and Co.
 
rednev said:
Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.
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Firstly, that's a solid ad hominem.

Secondly, this "kook" is likely more intelligent than each of us and wiser than each of us combined. But it offends your preconceived opinions, so we'll just dismiss it out-of-hand as the ramblings of a kook. Sure.
 
Kaos said:
The same kook that is pretty much objectively regarded as one of the greatest minds of our time and has been writing on world events for 60 years in an almost prophetic and uncanny manner?

But no let's go with the genius minds at The Sun and Co.
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Look, people aren't interested in experts ok. We've been over this before...
 
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Has to be Rachel Reeves.
 
Acole9 said:
The fact he pretty much wants to rid us of our defences against the world.
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That's not in the manifesto that we've seen. It commits to defence spending at 2% and pledges to replace Trident.
 
Acole9 said:
I'm not convinced. He's made it clear before about how he doesn't like using our defences.
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Sure, but that's more a longstanding view about Corbyn himself rather than the manifesto.
 
Acole9 said:
The fact he pretty much wants to rid us of our defences against the world.
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You should watch his speech about trident. He's absolutely right, what does it protect you from?
 
Acole9 said:
I'm not convinced. He's made it clear before about how he doesn't like using our defences.
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But you made out that you thought the manifesto was 'scary' then you failed to point to anything in the manifesto you found 'scary'. Instead you pointed to something in the manifesto that was pretty much the same as The Torries and then when that was pointed out to you, you claimed 'yea but ummm it doesn't fall in line with what he said earlier'.

So nothing in the actual manifesto you can actually point to having an issue with then? Basically meaning you hadn't actually bothered to read the manifesto at all.

This ladies and gentleman is the British Electorate....
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
But you made out that you thought the manifesto was 'scary' then you failed to point to anything in the manifesto you found 'scary'. Instead you pointed to something in the manifesto that was pretty much the same as The Torries and then when that was pointed out to you, you claimed 'yea but ummm it doesn't fall in line with what he said earlier'.

So nothing in the actual manifesto you can actually point to having an issue with then? Basically meaning you hadn't actually bothered to read the manifesto at all.

This ladies and gentleman is the British Electorate....
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Sure because you've read the manifesto cover to cover.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
So nothing in the actual manifesto you can actually point to having an issue with then? Basically meaning you hadn't actually bothered to read the manifesto at all.

This ladies and gentleman is the British Electorate....
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Acole9 said:
Sure because you've read the manifesto cover to cover.
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The manifesto isn't out until next week.
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