Remember when we were being told that Eagle/Smith were just the initial challengers and someone more viable would emerge long-term?
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Remember when we were being told that Eagle/Smith were just the initial challengers and someone more viable would emerge long-term?
So how long before this is decided?
Solid refutation there.
It depends who wins. If it is Corbyn, the even less electable Miliband brother will have a go at toppling him. If Owen Smith wins, the PLP will stage another election and the even less electable Miliband brother will have a go at toppling him.
Very Kenobi-ish vibe from this photo
Help me Jeremy Kenobi, you're my only hope.
Help me Jeremy Kenobi, you're my only hope.
Remember when we were being told that Eagle/Smith were just the initial challengers and someone more viable would emerge long-term?
I think that it is clear that Eagle/Smith were stalking horses once the disparate unhappy parties thought things were desperate enough that Corbyn needed to be challenged. There are plenty of viable candidates in one sense.
The political logic dictated that after the vote of confidence Corbyn would resign and figures like Cooper, Jarvis and Starmer (basically the big names who have remained silent throughout the crisis) would enter the fray. Of course, that didn't happen, so it looks like the other candidates chose to keep their powder dry rather than face Corbyn and a selectorate which would probably not choose them.
The hustings and Corbyn's rallies have no doubt increased membership's confidence in Corbyn. Ironic, that.
Perhaps yes. Corbyn has certainly had more energy and enthusiasm since the leadership contest has started then he showed leading the party in my view. Possibly because he was speaking to a friendly audience.
Post September, the two key issues remain unresolved for Labour. First, the fact that the party membership is unrepresentative of Labour voters nationwide, and even more unrepresentative of the electorate at large. Second, the conundrum of how the current policies can win a GE majority when it flies in the face of electoral history and, probably, electoral logic.
Surely this thing about Khan being booed at the Corbyn rally today is bullshit?
Could be true. Owen Jones was getting a lot of flak from Corbyn fans for merely suggesting that the whole thing might not work out and for minor criticisms and he's about as left as they come, so Khan getting booed considering he's been fairly vocal in the fact that Corbyn might not be a good choice seems like something that would happen.
Suppose some would argue that Khan's been cynical and pragmatic in his approach of nominating Corbyn in the leadership contest to either open the debate or look like a supportive leftie, before going in another direction now he's got the Mayor gig and may have longer term leadership ambitions. The truth's somewhere in the middle...but then reasoning hasn't been the strong point of either side of the debate in this Labour dispute.
Just saw a video of it, good grief. Can't wait for this month to be over.
I image he's getting a slagging off from Corbyn supporters because of his comments today in The Guardian. Although not that I care much as Khan pretty much fits your second paragraph, the back down on train fairs was enough to loose my interest in him(Also I'm pretty sure he hasn't talked at all about deliveroo payment scandul)
Yeah, admittedly I don't know too much about him and it's still very early in his mayoral tenure, but it'll be interesting to see whether or not he ends up being another polished figure who looks good but doesn't deliver all that much.
I'll just leave these here...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...y-london-was-jeremy-corbyn-s-not-sadiq-khan-s
Anyone on this football fan's forum other than Ubik outraged at a bit of booing?
To be fair Ubik did rush to condemn Ian Austin shouting "Sit down and shut up, you're a disgrace" while Corbyn was talking about the Iraq War dead in the HoC.
Actually they didn't, I just made that up.
Not so much outraged as resigned at the way the Left eats its own young. It's like the Spanish Civil War and the trenches outside Barcelona all over again....
Also, not that it matters much now, but this welfare Bill vote has taken on almost mythical proportions for all involved.
Outraged is the wrong word, more dismayed that people in the party are booing the new Labour mayor of London. The one who a few months back was enduring a racist campaign from Goldsmith.
But then it's a personality cult now, so I can't be that surprised.
Hardly surprised by Khan, rode Corbyn's popularity to get him elected as Mayor and now stabbing him in the back to further via own career. Khan shouldn't be surprised to find himself booed by the same people who were invaluable in helping him achieve the nomination and consequent victory.
Sian Berry will probably be licking her lips.
Sian Berry will probably be licking her lips.
I didn't think much of Khan's campaign, either, to be honest. Him winning felt rather 'lesser evil' - which is a shame as I liked the bloke before.
Yeah, I've got no problem with Khan not backing Corbyn per se, but more so with the fact he nominated the guy and promised to stay out of the race, but now has somehow judged it a good time to turn against Corbyn at the time where his opponent both looks like a terrible potential leader, and is also struggling to actually differentiate himself from Corbyn policy wise.
I mean...from what Smith's told us, what's he offering that's different? He's trying to pitch a fair left-wing rhetoric to everyone, but that's exactly what Corbyn's doing. There's been an argument that Corbyn was sort of weak on defence, but then that's kind of gone out the window when Smith made those daft comments about getting ISIS round the table. You thus can't really argue he's more competent image wise than Corbyn, cause he's been making constant gaffes. So, if it's taken for this point for someone not to really back Corbyn anymore, then what's the reasoning?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/..._decline_in_Scotland__Kezia_Dugdale_suggests/
Oh no, now Kez is joining in.
Oh no, now Kez is joining in.
That quote of him "not getting involved" is from less than a week after the referendum, in response to Hasan repeatedly asking him whether Corbyn should step down.
Kezia and McTernan? Oh Corbyn is in trouble now, with the Scottish Labour election dream team against him.http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/..._decline_in_Scotland__Kezia_Dugdale_suggests/
Oh no, now Kez is joining in.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/..._decline_in_Scotland__Kezia_Dugdale_suggests/
Oh no, now Kez is joining in.
So her main issue with Corbyn is she doesn't think he'll ever be prime minister. She on the other hand is well on track to being Scotland's first minister with her one MP
I don't think people quite understand that the Labour party's vote had no impact on the vote succeeding or failing.
Christ, I nearly forgot about McTernan. It's difficult to take any possibility of Labour becoming a more likable party seriously when that cretin still clings onto whatever dying relevance he has left.
I don't personally dislike Dugdale; she's an utterly hopeless politician, but she seems like a nice enough person.
So her main issue with Corbyn is she doesn't think he'll ever be prime minister. She on the other hand is well on track to being Scotland's first minister with her one MP
It's embarrassing. The decline of Scottish Labour quite genuinely has feck all to do with Corbyn; it happened before his election, has been happening since the mid 2000's, and while Corbyn did nothing to reverse it last year, that's barely his fault at all. The constant need for Labour to divert all of their problems and loss of support onto various scapegoats, which have ranged from the SNP to Miliband to Corbyn, is part of why they're in decline.
It's also worth noting that Smith's record on Scotland is terrible. Couldn't be arsed to turn up to, or voted against, most of our full fiscal measures last year...and that's despite him thinking the Barnett Formula is outdated. Dugdale should be holding him to account on this, but I don't expect she will.
That isn't quite the point. Rather that it was seen as an indication of where Labour was heading.
So Dugdale believes Owen Smith can be PM because he has radical policies and a credible plan of getting back into goverment.
Anyone know what this credible plan is?
Anyone know what this credible plan is?
It was also different from the tax credits cuts, which the Tories were implementing through a statutory instrument. It was also a second reading, not a final vote.
Getting the SNP...errr, I mean ISIS, round the table.
Thats pretty much my opinion. I really dont want to see such booing but neither do i want to see key figures running to the papers to slag off the leader. Khan isnt representing his voters with that action at all, i hope he at least tried to argue when they told him he had to publically slag off Corbyn.
Absolutely. Though I'd go further than it simply being an indication, Harman was flat out explicit about it.
Scotland? Well, he's from Wales. Obviously he cares more about them, right? Wrong.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/plaid-cymru-called-owen-smith-11780433
Seriously though what is it and why hasn't he told anyone but her? 'Credible plan' is such fecking political bingo i can only think of Blackadder whenever i hear it.
I seriously worry that they think he's electable just because he looks the part. The party is that shallow right now.
The Thick of It called it years ago. Remember Dan Miller? The main difference, of course, is that Smith is actually shit.
I hope this isnt true... I think a proper formal split is the best way to go
Labour MPs opposed to Jeremy Corbyn will reportedly establish a new rebel group in parliament if he wins the leadership election.
Labour MPs opposed to Jeremy Corbyn will reportedly establish a new rebel group in parliament if he wins the leadership election.
That could actually be a very interesting move, managing to combine a group both recognised by the electoral commission and with the Labour name.
Khan didn't need Corbyn's "popularity" to win in London. London's been pro-Labour for years, and Khan did his best throughout the mayoral campaign to stay separate from Corbyn.
The only reason Boris was mayor so long, was that Ken Livingstone was somehow the best that Labour could put up against him.