Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

:lol: The parliamentary party is against him. Former Labour leaders are against him. The press is against him. Political commentators are against him. The vast majority of the public are against him. Even most Labour voters are against him.

It must be a grand conspiracy! Or he's just shit.
 
It is also bizarre that people on the centre-left/Corbyn's opponents are so happy to dismiss and ignore this sort of agenda. This kind of agenda is precisely why Miliband couldn't win. It's not the only reason, but it will happen again to the soft-left if you succeed in removing Corbyn. (You will at least have The Guardian back on side as if that will make a difference)
The reason Ed Miliband couldn't win is because he was a bit shit. Ok, not Corbyn levels of shit, but still pretty terrible.

It's infuriating that rather than learning its lesson, Labour installed an even more unelectable leader.

There are some people in the PLP that I could see developing into leaders the public and press would find appealing, but Corbyn supporters like to dismiss them as 'Blairites' and 'Red Tories'. Are we going to have to go below 150 MPs for the membership to understand the problem?
 
Who gives a feck what the press find appealing. One of the reasons i respect Corbyn is that you won't find him sitting down with Murdoch at dinner discussing how he can influence policy in parliament.
 
Who gives a feck what the press find appealing. One of the reasons i respect Corbyn is that you won't find him sitting down with Murdoch discussing how he can influence policy in parliament.
It's also one of the reasons he will never ever actually get to put any policy in place... I guess you think labour would have been better with 2 Jags in charge instead of Blair and allowed major to carry on instead... I mean I'm sure he would have implemented tax credits etc?
 
Has any politician in history been more popular whilst being attacked for being unpopular?
 
The reason Ed Miliband couldn't win is because he was a bit shit. Ok, not Corbyn levels of shit, but still pretty terrible.

It's infuriating that rather than learning its lesson, Labour installed an even more unelectable leader.

There are some people in the PLP that I could see developing into leaders the public and press would find appealing, but Corbyn supporters like to dismiss them as 'Blairites' and 'Red Tories'. Are we going to have to go below 150 MPs for the membership to understand the problem?
I apologise if I'm interrupting a private conversation you were having with Untied but... I believe the membership understands the problem. The MPs need to take that on board.
 
Has any politician in history been more popular whilst being attacked for being unpopular?

:lol: It feels to me like if you actually go out and speak to people, the overwhelming opinion is positive towards Corbyn, these political analysts who trawl through polls and internet articles are the ones who get the impression he's unpopular.
 
Who gives a feck what the press find appealing.
Depends if you want a realistic chance of winning an election or not. Has anyone ever won with the press unanimously against them? I mean, no one has won an election without the backing of The Sun since 1974, and that's just one paper.

To dismiss the importance of the press seems a bit crazy to me. They make a real difference.
 
:lol: The parliamentary party is against him. Former Labour leaders are against him. The press is against him. Political commentators are against him. The vast majority of the public are against him. Even most Labour voters are against him.

It must be a grand conspiracy! Or he's just shit.
There was a poll carried out a while back where people weren't against him; quite the opposite, in fact. Oh wait! No, it wasn't a poll; it was a leadership election.
 
:lol: It feels to me like if you actually go out and speak to people, the overwhelming opinion is positive towards Corbyn, these political analysts who trawl through polls and internet articles are the ones who get the impression he's unpopular.
You must be speaking to a very narrow selection of the public. Go speak to some pensioners. Or some small business owners. Or some nationalists in Scotland or Wales.
 
You must be speaking to a very narrow selection of the public. Go speak to some pensioners. Or some small business owners. Or some nationalists in Scotland or Wales.
I think that's more Owen Smith's style. Probably struggle to get more than a couple of hundred to turn up too.
 
Anyone thinking the Guardian aren't on an agenda against Corbyn clearly havent read it in a while. Its literally an article a day, they changed thier liberal stance some time back the only cause they champion these days is feminism.
 
You must be speaking to a very narrow selection of the public. Go speak to some pensioners. Or some small business owners. Or some nationalists in Scotland or Wales.

He's unpopular with people who don't really know much about him, and what they do know is based on media stories. A media that misrepresents him 75% of the time according to an LSE study: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...resentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Thats a problem, but its not just a Corbyn problem. Its a Labour problem, made worse by their own MPs feeding the media cycle, if the issue was just 'Corbyn is a bit shit' then that would be great, but the roots of the issue are far deeper than that.
 
Anyone thinking the Guardian aren't on an agenda against Corbyn clearly havent read it in a while. Its literally an article a day, they changed thier liberal stance some time back the only cause they champion these days is feminism.
They seem to be pretty active on the issue of workers' rights and exploitative employment practices too. And there's been a lot of articles about the rise in hate crimes. And they obviously did a lot on the Panama Papers and tax avoidance.
 
So, with people believing that Owen Smith will say anything to get into power, he goes on TV to say that without winning elections principles are just hot air.

Does he actually hear himself speak?

This is the face of campaign that insists they want Corbyn out because he can't get his message across. Angela Eagle set the bar pretty low but he's doing his best to limbo under it.
 
...the only cause they champion these days is feminism.
And even then they're not doing feminism any favours - I read a Guardian article titled 'Is Kim K more important than Simone de Beauvoir?' and I literally turned into Sid the Sexist. Well, maybe not literally, but the point holds.
 
And even then they're not doing feminism any favours - I read a Guardian article titled 'Is Kim K more important than Simone de Beauvoir?' and I literally turned into Sid the Sexist. Well, maybe not literally, but the point holds.

I know right, as if they even need to ask the question.
 
I know right, as if they even need to ask the question.
Yep, it's pure ignorance - it's obvious that she's more important than the singer from Duran Duran.
 
Depends if you want a realistic chance of winning an election or not. Has anyone ever won with the press unanimously against them? I mean, no one has won an election without the backing of The Sun since 1974, and that's just one paper.

To dismiss the importance of the press seems a bit crazy to me. They make a real difference.
Maybe, just maybe, that's changing. Social media is rising. I haven't bought a newspaper for years.
 
Depends if you want a realistic chance of winning an election or not. Has anyone ever won with the press unanimously against them? I mean, no one has won an election without the backing of The Sun since 1974, and that's just one paper.

To dismiss the importance of the press seems a bit crazy to me. They make a real difference.

Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.
 
Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.
They've basically pulled us out of the EU singlehandedly with their crazy 'reporting' of Brussels over the years. It was a fringe, slightly looney, idea to leave the EU, until the right-wing press basically ran a never-ending campaign against the EU for the past decade or so.

I don't think it's possible to win an election if the press are completely against you. A solid media strategy ('spin' in other words) is essential in modern politics.
 
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The age of the internet has actually made newspapers far more powerful than they have ever been. The Daily Mail never had a readership of more than 2.5 million in the age of the printed press. That they now have 225 million unique monthly visitors to their website tells you all that you need to know.
 
How does it all fit together? The Mirror bought MEN from the Guardian, right? But the Guardian is itself still independent?
 
This whole story about a Corbyn aide (facilities manager)'breaking' into an office of someone who resigned a month a go now is just absurd.

Is that really something that needs taking to the media like this MP did? It says something when the tory leadership campaign is run in a more civilised and less petty manner.

I look forward to tomorrow's peice on how Corbyns PA ate the last sandwich that someone else had called dibs on.
 
I think you seriously underestimate them. The Daily Mail is the most visited English language newspaper website in the world! They have 225 million unique visitors each month!
The majority of visitors are American. And that's for the celebrity gossip.
 
What a surprise, it was Karie Murphy.
 
The majority of visitors are American. And that's for the celebrity gossip.

The number of UK visitors is still massive and gives them far more reach than they had pre internet. People may well go on for celebrity gossip but it makes them far more likely to click on other stories and come to rely on the paper as a news source.
 
How does it all fit together? The Mirror bought MEN from the Guardian, right? But the Guardian is itself still independent?
The Guardian is independent, yeah. They've chosen their Red Tory Anti-Corbyn narrative all on their own.
 
Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.

The defining image of the 2015 election was someone eating a sandwich. Britain left Europe against the wishes of all but one major party and every expert.
 
There are probably quite a few empty offices - or offices that should be empty. Maybe someone should round up some of the homeless people from Milton Keynes who's tents were destroyed by the local council and put them up until things are sorted out and the MPs get back to doing what they should.
 
I have to say I'm disappointed in the Guardian. Worse, the BBC! That's an institution, or corporation, that I have praised glowingly many, many times. They do such a fantastic job, on the whole. Their treatment of Corbyn shows they're slipping, and slipping badly. I would certainly expect them to report more accurately and fairly than they did.

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I still can't believe the rebellion picked Angela Eagle and Owen Smith :lol:

Part of me almost wants the abstainers to succeed just to see the PLP rally around those two charisma vacuums and claim that they're now more electable.
 
I have to say I'm disappointed in the Guardian. Worse, the BBC! That's an institution, or corporation, that I have praised glowingly many, many times. They do such a fantastic job, on the whole. Their treatment of Corbyn shows they're slipping, and slipping badly. I would certainly expect them to report more accurately and fairly than they did.

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