MikeUpNorth
Wobbles like a massive pair of tits
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It must be a grand conspiracy! Or he's just shit.
The reason Ed Miliband couldn't win is because he was a bit shit. Ok, not Corbyn levels of shit, but still pretty terrible.It is also bizarre that people on the centre-left/Corbyn's opponents are so happy to dismiss and ignore this sort of agenda. This kind of agenda is precisely why Miliband couldn't win. It's not the only reason, but it will happen again to the soft-left if you succeed in removing Corbyn. (You will at least have The Guardian back on side as if that will make a difference)
It's also one of the reasons he will never ever actually get to put any policy in place... I guess you think labour would have been better with 2 Jags in charge instead of Blair and allowed major to carry on instead... I mean I'm sure he would have implemented tax credits etc?Who gives a feck what the press find appealing. One of the reasons i respect Corbyn is that you won't find him sitting down with Murdoch discussing how he can influence policy in parliament.
I apologise if I'm interrupting a private conversation you were having with Untied but... I believe the membership understands the problem. The MPs need to take that on board.The reason Ed Miliband couldn't win is because he was a bit shit. Ok, not Corbyn levels of shit, but still pretty terrible.
It's infuriating that rather than learning its lesson, Labour installed an even more unelectable leader.
There are some people in the PLP that I could see developing into leaders the public and press would find appealing, but Corbyn supporters like to dismiss them as 'Blairites' and 'Red Tories'. Are we going to have to go below 150 MPs for the membership to understand the problem?
Has any politician in history been more popular whilst being attacked for being unpopular?
Depends if you want a realistic chance of winning an election or not. Has anyone ever won with the press unanimously against them? I mean, no one has won an election without the backing of The Sun since 1974, and that's just one paper.Who gives a feck what the press find appealing.
There was a poll carried out a while back where people weren't against him; quite the opposite, in fact. Oh wait! No, it wasn't a poll; it was a leadership election.The parliamentary party is against him. Former Labour leaders are against him. The press is against him. Political commentators are against him. The vast majority of the public are against him. Even most Labour voters are against him.
It must be a grand conspiracy! Or he's just shit.
You must be speaking to a very narrow selection of the public. Go speak to some pensioners. Or some small business owners. Or some nationalists in Scotland or Wales.It feels to me like if you actually go out and speak to people, the overwhelming opinion is positive towards Corbyn, these political analysts who trawl through polls and internet articles are the ones who get the impression he's unpopular.
I think that's more Owen Smith's style. Probably struggle to get more than a couple of hundred to turn up too.You must be speaking to a very narrow selection of the public. Go speak to some pensioners. Or some small business owners. Or some nationalists in Scotland or Wales.
You must be speaking to a very narrow selection of the public. Go speak to some pensioners. Or some small business owners. Or some nationalists in Scotland or Wales.
They seem to be pretty active on the issue of workers' rights and exploitative employment practices too. And there's been a lot of articles about the rise in hate crimes. And they obviously did a lot on the Panama Papers and tax avoidance.Anyone thinking the Guardian aren't on an agenda against Corbyn clearly havent read it in a while. Its literally an article a day, they changed thier liberal stance some time back the only cause they champion these days is feminism.
And even then they're not doing feminism any favours - I read a Guardian article titled 'Is Kim K more important than Simone de Beauvoir?' and I literally turned into Sid the Sexist. Well, maybe not literally, but the point holds....the only cause they champion these days is feminism.
And even then they're not doing feminism any favours - I read a Guardian article titled 'Is Kim K more important than Simone de Beauvoir?' and I literally turned into Sid the Sexist. Well, maybe not literally, but the point holds.
Yep, it's pure ignorance - it's obvious that she's more important than the singer from Duran Duran.I know right, as if they even need to ask the question.
Maybe, just maybe, that's changing. Social media is rising. I haven't bought a newspaper for years.Depends if you want a realistic chance of winning an election or not. Has anyone ever won with the press unanimously against them? I mean, no one has won an election without the backing of The Sun since 1974, and that's just one paper.
To dismiss the importance of the press seems a bit crazy to me. They make a real difference.
The mention of the Guardian, when he said it couldn't tell working class people what to think, drew massive applause too.
Depends if you want a realistic chance of winning an election or not. Has anyone ever won with the press unanimously against them? I mean, no one has won an election without the backing of The Sun since 1974, and that's just one paper.
To dismiss the importance of the press seems a bit crazy to me. They make a real difference.
Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.
They've basically pulled us out of the EU singlehandedly with their crazy 'reporting' of Brussels over the years. It was a fringe, slightly looney, idea to leave the EU, until the right-wing press basically ran a never-ending campaign against the EU for the past decade or so.Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.
The majority of visitors are American. And that's for the celebrity gossip.I think you seriously underestimate them. The Daily Mail is the most visited English language newspaper website in the world! They have 225 million unique visitors each month!
The majority of visitors are American. And that's for the celebrity gossip.
The Guardian is independent, yeah. They've chosen their Red Tory Anti-Corbyn narrative all on their own.How does it all fit together? The Mirror bought MEN from the Guardian, right? But the Guardian is itself still independent?
I am shocked.What a surprise, it was Karie Murphy.
Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.
What's this taken from?I have to say I'm disappointed in the Guardian. Worse, the BBC! That's an institution, or corporation, that I have praised glowingly many, many times. They do such a fantastic job, on the whole. Their treatment of Corbyn shows they're slipping, and slipping badly. I would certainly expect them to report more accurately and fairly than they did.
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What's this taken from?
I found it somewhere surfing thru twitterland. Why?What's this taken from?