Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

evra said:
In that sense clearly, but the term is usually reserved for people who get into politics because it's a good career, rather than an overwhelming desire to shape the future of your country. I disagree with much of Corbyn's suggested policies, but I don't think for one minute he is in this for the money and the prestige. For one thing, his expense claims have been markedly different to the shameless lot that milked the system for all its worth.
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Jeremy Corbyn claimed a total of £14,021.26. Owen Smith claimed £46,709.11.
 
Did well today despite the back hand comments and silence from some of his party.
 
I hope if Corbyn wins this election he executes a Saddam style public purge, getting rid of the conspirators who've been undermining him

 
Kaos said:
I hope if Corbyn wins this election he executes a Saddam style public purge, getting rid of the conspirators who've been undermining him

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Next stop, Downing Street.
 
Ubik said:
Next stop, Downing Street.
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Come on, Corbyn relaxingly a smoking cigar while a deflated and terrified Tom Watson on the podium forced to read out the names of all the Labour conspirators, as they're all forcefully led out the building by Momentum Militia never to be seen or heard from again.
 
evra said:
I'm rooting for Corbyn, the career politicians in the Labour party have really been exposed by recent events. Never mind standing up for your values and what you believe in, better to just say anything to try and become electable. That's the Blairite way.
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I'm voting for Smith (voted for Corbyn last year)

Corbyn isn't working. Yes there is a media agenda. Yes he has been constantly undermined by colleagues from the moment he was elected. But objectively, he is doing a terrible job at leading the party. His policy pronouncements have been haphazard. Whilst I generally agree with his political positions he hasn't communicated them to the public is any persuasive form - essential given the nature of the English electorate.

Look, I would love to live in a country where the leader boasting about how she would order the deaths of millions of civilians is seen as the extremist nutter, and not the man who says he wouldn't countenance doing such a thing. But that is not this country, at this time. It is not the reality of non-metropolitan England, which makes up the majority of the electorate, as much as I would like it be otherwise.

Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
 
Untied said:
Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
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Correct.
 
Dobba said:
183,541 new registered Labour party supporters in the last 48 hours apparently. That suggests there are a lot of peasants who don't know their place.
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That's nuts. More than the entire Conservative party membership for the same price.
 
Untied said:
Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
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I'm voting for Corbyn and I don't think he's the solution at all. For me voting for a Corbyn win is more about changing the Labour Party, to give members a bigger say/influence on the Party. The last few weeks has shown that the PLP(Including Smith as he's been planning this leadership challenge way before the eu referendum) and the wider Labour Party have very little time for it's membership and well democracy. The raise to £25 being the final straw for me.

The chances of these changes happening with Smith as leader are non existent, as already shown by some of his recent comments - 2nd eu referendum plus he's tone(Comparing the Leave voters to fools who have been duped into buying dodgy second hand car),more recently saying he would like Corbyn in some sort of ''President'' role(I image that role has no actual power in the Party).

Smith being leader will revert back to the recent Miliband days(Remember the immigration mugs) and the obsession with goldilocks politics - not too left, not too right but just racist enough for a UKIP voter in the North but not enough to piss off a Guardian reader in the south(It's worth remembering at least one member of the soft ''left''of the PLP wanted Corbyn to attack the junior doctors). It is politics with without ideology.

I see this leadership contest as fight over the future of the Labour Party more than anything else.
 
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Untied said:
I'm voting for Smith (voted for Corbyn last year)

Corbyn isn't working. Yes there is a media agenda. Yes he has been constantly undermined by colleagues from the moment he was elected. But objectively, he is doing a terrible job at leading the party. His policy pronouncements have been haphazard. Whilst I generally agree with his political positions he hasn't communicated them to the public is any persuasive form - essential given the nature of the English electorate.

Look, I would love to live in a country where the leader boasting about how she would order the deaths of millions of civilians is seen as the extremist nutter, and not the man who says he wouldn't countenance doing such a thing. But that is not this country, at this time. It is not the reality of non-metropolitan England, which makes up the majority of the electorate, as much as I would like it be otherwise.

Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
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Ive not decided yet but i think im close to this position. It feels like giving into a lot of things that are wrong with the media and the political establishment but at the same time i feel like anything else will equally be a defeat.

Even if Smith wins ill be hoping Corbyn splits the party and id probably cancel my Labour membership. I want more than simply 'stop the tories' politics so id rather support Corbyn pushing an agenda from the sidelines than a Labour party whose positions are based on popularity.
 
Labours leadership has gone to Ridiculous extents to use all underhand tactics in their pursuit to undermine Corbyn and his. Supporters anyhow. Its a ridiculous situatio.
 
FromTheBench said:
Labours leadership has gone to Ridiculous extents to use all underhand tactics in their pursuit to undermine Corbyn and his. Supporters anyhow. Its a ridiculous situatio.
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The worst part is they've been incredibly shit and unsubtle and doing so as well. I'd have a begrudging respect for them if they were calculated manipulators who'd managed to oust him skilfully, but as it is they've jumped on Brexit (where most Labour voters voted Remain), and have tried to oust Corbyn despite not really having a credible replacement for much of the time...whilst showing utter contempt to members in the process for not following the agenda the party wants them to. Corbyn's opponents are just as utterly incompetent as he is, and will probably be slaughtered by May's Tories.
 
Michael Crick has tweeted (and been retweeted many times) that if Foster wins his court case Smith could be leader unopposed. That's rubbish isn't it?
 
Cheesy said:
The worst part is they've been incredibly shit and unsubtle and doing so as well. I'd have a begrudging respect for them if they were calculated manipulators who'd managed to oust him skilfully, but as it is they've jumped on Brexit (where most Labour voters voted Remain), and have tried to oust Corbyn despite not really having a credible replacement for much of the time...whilst showing utter contempt to members in the process for not following the agenda the party wants them to. Corbyn's opponents are just as utterly incompetent as he is, and will probably be slaughtered by May's Tories.
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contempt for democracy.

They are disqualified to represent anyone after what they have tried.
 
DenisIrwin said:
Michael Crick has tweeted (and been retweeted many times) that if Foster wins his court case Smith could be leader unopposed. That's rubbish isn't it?
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Im quite concerned that they're so stupid as to even challenge the ruling. Its just doing further damage to the party.

Do they not realise that ousting Corbyn in such a way to instil their own candidate would not only lose them the voters still behind Corbyn but also the wider member base who are appalled by such underhand behaviour.
 
Smores said:
Im quite concerned that they're so stupid as to even challenge the ruling. Its just doing further damage to the party.

Do they not realise that ousting Corbyn in such a way to instil their own candidate would not only lose them the voters still behind Corbyn but also the wider member base who are appalled by such underhand behaviour.
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Don't underestimate the delusions of the PLP. They're so far embedded in their little elitist bubble they fail to acknowledge how their actions would destroy them. They probably think we're all a bunch of simpleton drones that would vote for them regardless.

The Greens are probably licking their lips at the moment.
 
Kaos said:
Don't underestimate the delusions of the PLP. They're so far embedded in their little elitist bubble they fail to acknowledge how their actions would destroy them. They probably think we're all a bunch of simpleton drones that would vote for them regardless.

The Greens are probably licking their lips at the moment.
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Quite simply some of them think the members are the enemy. We've heard it from numerous senior figures now that they feel they've lost the party to entryists and they want their party back. Even if Jeremy got Labour into power they wouldnt be happy at the situation.

Progress isnt heavily funded by external donors such as Lord Sainsburys just to allow Labour members to have their way. Their strategy board is made up of political figures and this top down approach is what they want to guide the party.

It was only a few years ago that the debate was had on whether they should have a place in the party. Then they have the cheek to call momentum out as a seperate movement.
 
Smores said:
Quite simply some of them think the members are the enemy. We've heard it from numerous senior figures now that they feel they've lost the party to entryists and they want their party back. Even if Jeremy got Labour into power they wouldnt be happy at the situation.

Progress isnt heavily funded by external donors such as Lord Sainsburys just to allow Labour members to have their way. Their strategy board is made up of political figures and this top down approach is what they want to guide the party.

It was only a few years ago that the debate was had on whether they should have a place in the party. Then they have the cheek to call momentum out as a seperate movement.
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Don't let them win lad.
 
Richard Burgon is now shadow Attorney General as well as shadow Justice secretary and shadow Lord Chancellor.
 
Labour have to get rid of devisive Corbyn to unite the party - yesterday a Labour economic debate in the House of Commons had to be abandonded due to a lack of Labour MP's being bothered to turn up.

Shameful disunity and great news for the Tories.
 
So Owen Smith has previously said in regards to Scotland that "Barnett has seen its day" in regards to funding for Scotland, however when it came to the Scotland Bill last year he was absent for just about every single vote in regards to new powers, and then a couple of weeks later, just to rub it in, voted against giving Scotland full responsibility for taxation and spending...despite the fact that he doesn't seem to believe in Barnett.

Always nice to know you're cared about by a potential future leader of a major party. Other things he's voted against (when he could be bothered to vote) include abortion laws, child and working tax credits, and regulating air weapons. I'd assume he'd have probably been against some of the others if he'd cared enough to show.
 
Cheesy said:
The worst part is they've been incredibly shit and unsubtle and doing so as well. I'd have a begrudging respect for them if they were calculated manipulators who'd managed to oust him skilfully, but as it is they've jumped on Brexit (where most Labour voters voted Remain), and have tried to oust Corbyn despite not really having a credible replacement for much of the time...whilst showing utter contempt to members in the process for not following the agenda the party wants them to. Corbyn's opponents are just as utterly incompetent as he is, and will probably be slaughtered by May's Tories.
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I think they really didn't expect him to have the stomach to fight another leadership election after a vote of no-confidence. They underestimated his resilience.

Ubik said:
Richard Burgon is now shadow Attorney General as well as shadow Justice secretary and shadow Lord Chancellor.
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(Also I wouldn't imply that it is three roles when the last two have been combined since the creation of Justice Secretary)
 
Marching said:
Labour have to get rid of devisive Corbyn to unite the party - yesterday a Labour economic debate in the House of Commons had to be abandonded due to a lack of Labour MP's being bothered to turn up.

Shameful disunity and great news for the Tories.
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Not so much about being bothered, more that the shadow Chancellor is a cnut that doesn't inspire support.
 
Marching said:
Labour have to get rid of devisive Corbyn to unite the party - yesterday a Labour economic debate in the House of Commons had to be abandonded due to a lack of Labour MP's being bothered to turn up.

Shameful disunity and great news for the Tories.
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he cant form a functioning opposition - surely that is the primary requirement of a leader of the opposition - looking like they could be a better PM than the current PM would of course be desirable but one step at a time eh...
I think the whole country would be better served if 140 MP's who voted against him in the confidence motion set up another party or formed a coalition with the libs and possibly the SNP and became the official (functioning) opposition.

If corbyn wins the election the shambles continues till an inevitable split... if he looses then he would probably slpit off with momentum / some unions to form a new party anyway

They should just get a quickie divorce and try to be amicable for the sake of the party(s)
 
Smores said:
Quite simply some of them think the members are the enemy. We've heard it from numerous senior figures now that they feel they've lost the party to entryists and they want their party back. Even if Jeremy got Labour into power they wouldnt be happy at the situation.
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Of course they would be happy if Jeremy got Labour into power - it's not going to happen though, is it? To get into power would require a level of competency and flexibility that his team has failed to show to date, hence this whole mess.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Of course they would be happy if Jeremy got Labour into power - it's not going to happen though, is it? To get into power would require a level of competency and flexibility that his team has failed to show to date, hence this whole mess.
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Do you really see these back stabbing Blairites after these debacles being able to govern? They will not win any election after this. They are trying to suppress voters.
 
sun_tzu said:
he cant form a functioning opposition - surely that is the primary requirement of a leader of the opposition - looking like they could be a better PM than the current PM would of course be desirable but one step at a time eh...
I think the whole country would be better served if 140 MP's who voted against him in the confidence motion set up another party or formed a coalition with the libs and possibly the SNP and became the official (functioning) opposition.

If corbyn wins the election the shambles continues till an inevitable split... if he looses then he would probably slpit off with momentum / some unions to form a new party anyway

They should just get a quickie divorce and try to be amicable for the sake of the party(s)
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I can't see Corbyn losing so split it must be....but be prepared for yet another arguement as to who gets to be called the 'Official Opposition'.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Of course they would be happy if Jeremy got Labour into power - it's not going to happen though, is it? To get into power would require a level of competency and flexibility that his team has failed to show to date, hence this whole mess.
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Im not saying they wouldnt be happy that we won power. Im saying they wouldnt be satisfied or content with Corbyn even if they were succesful in a GE as he's not their man essentially. He wont comply with those powerful elements in the party who wish to push a certain direction but will instead listen to the members.
 
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