He is going to be a top quality player.
Javier Pastore
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Just saw his hat-trick; header, right foot, left foot. That's 7 in 12 games for him this season, impressive considering he does actually do midfield work.
sign him please
from what little I saw of him at the World Cup he looks quality.
no way we will get him. Real or Barca probably.
no way we will get him. Real or Barca probably.
We tried once before and he turned us down because he feared getting regular football for us. Maybe we should try again.
Pastore please, I liked him since the first day I watched him...
Smooth as silk, pacey and has a good eye for a pass.
Is the things we don't have in the MF at the moment.
Smooth as silk, pacey and has a good eye for a pass.
Is the things we don't have in the MF at the moment.
He's the type of player you buy, doesn't matter where you fit him in. Special talent.
Fergie Fergie sign him up. He would be a dream signing but something that just won't happen.
All true, and the thing you are forgetting and perhaps the most important is that he seems to score quite a few goals. We need a goalscoring midfielder, because I really don't think the midfield score their share for the past years.. We have been to important at our forwards such as Ronaldo when he was still here, and Wayne Rooney.
We should consider a move for him already in January, he would probably be a £40m man then, however we might just buy the title along with him.
Replacement for Lampard.
already is.
Will be gone to Real Madrid before you can say "Ozil"
Today's papers are suggesting he'd cost £35m (linking him with Chelsea)
English papers often wildly under value the cost to buy in talent from abroad. But £35m is a massive sum.
Is this realistic? Can Palermo really afford to hold out for that as an opening gambit? Or is it that a bidding war could take it that higher? Or just bollocks?
English papers often wildly under value the cost to buy in talent from abroad. But £35m is a massive sum.
Is this realistic? Can Palermo really afford to hold out for that as an opening gambit? Or is it that a bidding war could take it that higher? Or just bollocks?
His talent is too obvious which means he's too expensive. So we won't sign him.
We wouldn't buy him if he was out of contract, cost £6m in the next window and issued a come and get me plea to us. Not a type of player that Ferguson would go after.
Why not?
No value.
How much would someone have to pay for him>
I am not sure he would be as expensive as many thinks... Italian clubs are often loyal to their players wishes, Palermo understands that becoming as big as Milan, Inter, Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Chelsea are unrealistic and might let him go if some of these comes in for him. In January his price will be ridiculous, but in the summer I bet he could go for well under £30m, perhaps closer to £20m... Prices in the media are often exaggerated.
Of course this is only speculative. But there is a lot more trading in Italy, therefore often also smaller prices. Of course the fact that the club Palermo is for sale might turn into a problem.
He'll most likely cost north of £30M unless the owner is selling the club effects the price.
Well the fact that we've bid for him in the past renders your increasing tiresome value dig a load of bullshit.
He wont want to come to England, Spains big 2 will fight over him.
Madrid have Canales and Ozil, Barcelona are set on Fabregas...could see him going to Inter (to replace Sneijder? bit of a long shot) and Ganso going to Milan and that'd be an interesting clash - Brazil and Argentina, direct and incisive v elegant and patiently penetrative, second striker v advanced midfielder (yet they still play in roughly the same position).
Saying that Madrid have never been one to buy based on what they need it's what they want so you can never rule them out.
Saying that Madrid have never been one to buy based on what they need it's what they want so you can never rule them out.
I would not exclude the oppertunity for some of the big Italian clubs to go for him neither, I think both Inter, Juventus and Milan could both do something about their midfield, and those big clubs always get money if they need it... There is a connection between Argentina and Napoli too, God knows what they could do. Cavani was a huge signing this summer. Ramires seems to be struggling and he might be a man for Chelsea, they have a lot of elder options.
Barcelona just signed Affelay. Mourinho often prefers elder options and with Schweinsteinger's contract situation I bet him might be a Real Madrid signing, and. They need a new forward too, I am not sure Pastore would be a priority for any of them.
Yeah its not impossible he could move to one of the Italian giants although i would think Palermo would surely prefer not to sell him to a rival? plus their president is a very tough negotiate by all accounts, i just dont see anyone but Barca or Madrid getting him, i think hes already said he wants to play for Barcelona (everybody does these days) and that Spain is his favourite league, Affelay is a winger so that wont make any difference to them in central midfield, Xavi is already at a stage whereby Barca are nursing him from week to week, Fabregas is obviously on the radar and will likely join them next summer but i wouldn't be surprised if Pastore joined him.
If he was to come to anyone in England id say Chelsea and City are the likeliest, christ knows City need something in midfield of an attacking creative nature and Chelsea might look to freshen things up in their midfield given the age of Lampard and the seeming lack of anyone of that ilk to replace him when hes not there.
Id love to see him here mind you but i dont see it.
Pastore's not really a midfielder so it's hard to see where he fits in at Barca, you can't stick him in there alongside Busquets and Xavi/Iniesta never mind Fabregas and Xavi/Iniesta, stick him in front of Busquets and Mascherano and he'd be flying but it doesn't seem like a natural progression of their system and there doesn't seem to be any drastic need for them to deviate away from that at the moment.
Has it ever been confirmed though? Because if it's only papers talk, and it probably is, then it doesn't have any sense of credibility to me, I said he's not a type of player that we'd be after and I stand by that.
I can't see us going after an attacking midfielder who doesn't defend all that much, we would have to use him in the hole and we usually put Berbatov in there, he's good enough there and still does the strikers job fine. If we were ever interested in an attacking midfielder like him, we would have at least made an attempt to sign Ozil who was available at one third the price.
Nevermind because we cannot afford him, neither can Chelsea I think, and Barcelona have been rumored to be interested for a while and remain the most likely destination. There's about 0.1% chance of him ever coming here, or any other £35m midfielder to be honest.
I'd bet on that 0.1%,
can't really speculate anything from this point, obviously he has all the potential to become a great player and if SAF feels he is the right thing, I'm sure he will go for him.
Ermm yes he is, he's just a very creative potent one.
If Fergie was willing to shift to 4-2-3-1 Pastore would be the signing to make, but if the intent is to still play a lot of 4-4-2 I would forget about him or players in his mould.
No, Pastore is a creative midfielder, you don't have to shift tactics around him, It's not like he's found some unique style where every team has to suit him, he can happily suit a team. He doesn't want to come here though, even though we tried to buy him. He dreams of Barcelona, has stated he will be playing for Palermo next year, and is willing to sign an improved contract which will add a £50 million buyout clause until the end of the next season. It would take serious money for an unproven youngster to the premier league and as much as I believe this lad will be the worlds best player in upcoming years, we could invest half of that and develop our own, who would also want to stay with us.
I've seen him play a fair few times gambs and he plays as part of a midfield 3 as the foremost of the trio, a classic #10 or Trequartista, we don't use that type of player and I'd worry he'd be stifled in a midfield 2 with Fletcher.
I imagine we'd end up giving him liscence to roam where he wants, much like we did with Ronaldo. I've seen Trequartista type players happily playing in a midfield 2. He can fit to our needs.
Real is monitoring him which means we wont get him.
Which would mean the end of Berba's career at OT. Trequartisti need a natural finisher upfront not someone who drops deep and rarely score goals.
He's probably being offered to us at around 25+ million. Fergie will probably say there's no value and turn him down.
The next week he'll have signed for Madrid for about 10 million...
The next week he'll have signed for Madrid for about 10 million...
Doesn't always have to be like that, it also could be a new start for Berbs.
31 year olds dont really get new starts at top clubs, especially not one they've been at for 3 seasons. Thats the stage he'd be at if we signed Pastore in the summer.
As for Pastore himself, if Madrid and Barcelona cant fit him in he'd probably prefer to play for Inter than come to England.
Yeah somewhere away from OT. Trequartisti are there to drop deep and create chances for the natural finisher to score. They may occasionally be natural goal scorers themselves (ex Scholes or Lampard) but they still need a natural finisher upfront to grab the defender's attention and therefore leave space for them to act.
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