Better than Sniejder?
Going to be some player if he'll be better than Sneijder. Ozil himself has light years to go before matching Sneijder.
Javier Pastore
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Better than Sniejder?
Going to be some player if he'll be better than Sneijder. Ozil himself has light years to go before matching Sneijder.
Pastore should be way ahead in terms of experience, he is 3 years older.
Dont' forget Ljajic is only 18, struggled with an injury last season but Fior have Jovetic injured for like 7 months and if I'm not mistaken they have Cerci too, so Fior have some good young talents at their squad and Ljajic has been off to a great start...
I can see why we were linked with him, its certainly not about the talent its about his work permit why we didn't get the lad.
Let by gones be by gones... I mean I'd love to have seen us sign Ljajic. We have Eikram who can be just as good.
Nice goal yesterday.
Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas out of Barcelona sights as Spaniards eye Javier Pastore | Mail Online
Arsenal star Cesc Fabregas's path home to Barcelona blocked by Spanish giants' move for 'Argentine Kaka' Javier Pastore
Arsenal's determination to hold on to captain Cesc Fabregas has led Barcelona to consider a move for emerging Argentina star Javier Pastore.
The champions of Spain were scuppered in a bitter public bid to prise Fabregas from the Gunners this summer and Arsene Wenger could be just as stubborn at the end of the season.
Pastore would be an intriguing alternative, not least because the 21-year-old recently revealed he developed his midfield skills by watching tapes of Fabregas and Arsenal while under the tutelage of an Argentine coach who idolised Arsene Wenger.
Respected Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport reports that Barca have already lodged interest over a £35million deal for the Palermo starlet, who has received gushing praise for an impressive start to the season in Serie A.
Pastore, who was linked with Manchester City in the summer, has been compared to the likes of Kaka and Zinedine Zidane for his attacking midfield style and Palermo know it is only a matter of time before he is spirited away by one of Europe's big clubs.
Reports in Italy claim Pastore dreams of playing alongside his compatriot Lionel Messi at the Nou Camp.
The former Huracan player has scored four goals in 10 games from midfield this season and was part of Diego Maradona's Argentina squad at the World Cup.
Arsenal star Cesc Fabregas's path home to Barcelona blocked by Spanish giants' move for 'Argentine Kaka' Javier Pastore
Arsenal's determination to hold on to captain Cesc Fabregas has led Barcelona to consider a move for emerging Argentina star Javier Pastore.
The champions of Spain were scuppered in a bitter public bid to prise Fabregas from the Gunners this summer and Arsene Wenger could be just as stubborn at the end of the season.
Pastore would be an intriguing alternative, not least because the 21-year-old recently revealed he developed his midfield skills by watching tapes of Fabregas and Arsenal while under the tutelage of an Argentine coach who idolised Arsene Wenger.
Respected Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport reports that Barca have already lodged interest over a £35million deal for the Palermo starlet, who has received gushing praise for an impressive start to the season in Serie A.
Pastore, who was linked with Manchester City in the summer, has been compared to the likes of Kaka and Zinedine Zidane for his attacking midfield style and Palermo know it is only a matter of time before he is spirited away by one of Europe's big clubs.
Reports in Italy claim Pastore dreams of playing alongside his compatriot Lionel Messi at the Nou Camp.
The former Huracan player has scored four goals in 10 games from midfield this season and was part of Diego Maradona's Argentina squad at the World Cup.
massive talent
The kid is GOLD, i've been saying it for a while now.
Very special talent, great strike today.
We can't afford him!
Hamsik is still my dream signing from Serie A.
Pastore looks a bit special too.
Pastore looks a bit special too.
Deadly striker from Pastore...
I'm just thinking... Ozil was for 16m... We missed out, Pastore for 30m... I don't think we'll even think about it.
I'm just thinking... Ozil was for 16m... We missed out, Pastore for 30m... I don't think we'll even think about it.
Hamsik was my dream signing,until the spikey haired bucktoothed twunt went and renewed his contract with Napoli on my Birthday. Pastore will be the better player though.
I had every intention at watching the Birmingham derby, however the first half of Palermo - Lazio caught my attention enough to watch that one instead. Javier Pastore was among the best on the pitch. He seems to have that Scholes ability to just make a short pass to a available player when he gets surrounded, and rarely seems to get stuck, something that is vital in the Premier League where you get so little room, and the level of defending is so high.
As for the match: The first half was a robbery, Lazio got a free kick and Diaz managed to volley Lazio what would turn out to be the only goal in the match. Appart from that; the first half was all Palermo. I tried to eagle eye Pastore during this match. First note, he runs and runs and runs, his stamina should match that of Fletcher or Gerrard, there are little doubt that the man is a machine. Nor is there any doubt that he has a very sensitive right foot, whom also has power in the shot. In one to one duels he is rarely knocked of his opponent, and it seems his physique is very strong. The second half the match kind of died, Lazio went ultra-defensive to protect their undeserved lead, and managed that. Pastore did not do much, he probably were involved in the biggest chance of the game when Palermo got a volley in the box and Musulera had a brilliant save, whom went right to Pastore whom made a shot were Musulera would be chanceless but a defender threw himself in the way. Pastore often were wide open outside of the box 30 meters or so, if Palermo would have the wits to pass him the ball in those situation, Palermo might have created something. Of course, seing Palermo vs. the current #1 in Italy is not where you see the most of him, he will dominate more against lesser opponents.
All inn all, Palermo was the best team, and Pastore was one of the best players on the pitch. I really believe that this man would be a smarter signing than Sneijder or Scwheinstenger, whom both goes 27 next season. And despite those men being more experienced, the most value experience in the Premier League is Premier League experience because there are big differences in how they play the game in Germany, Italy or Spain compared to England. There are years left until Pastore will be at his peak, therefore getting a young option is the best one - and then he would have years with Premier League experience before he is at 27. The best young playmaker in Europe has to be Pastore, he has a massive talent and I would love to see him take the Manchester United shirt this summer.
Best man available IMO, and he can turn out to be the cheapest as well when we are talking about players at his level.
As for the match: The first half was a robbery, Lazio got a free kick and Diaz managed to volley Lazio what would turn out to be the only goal in the match. Appart from that; the first half was all Palermo. I tried to eagle eye Pastore during this match. First note, he runs and runs and runs, his stamina should match that of Fletcher or Gerrard, there are little doubt that the man is a machine. Nor is there any doubt that he has a very sensitive right foot, whom also has power in the shot. In one to one duels he is rarely knocked of his opponent, and it seems his physique is very strong. The second half the match kind of died, Lazio went ultra-defensive to protect their undeserved lead, and managed that. Pastore did not do much, he probably were involved in the biggest chance of the game when Palermo got a volley in the box and Musulera had a brilliant save, whom went right to Pastore whom made a shot were Musulera would be chanceless but a defender threw himself in the way. Pastore often were wide open outside of the box 30 meters or so, if Palermo would have the wits to pass him the ball in those situation, Palermo might have created something. Of course, seing Palermo vs. the current #1 in Italy is not where you see the most of him, he will dominate more against lesser opponents.
All inn all, Palermo was the best team, and Pastore was one of the best players on the pitch. I really believe that this man would be a smarter signing than Sneijder or Scwheinstenger, whom both goes 27 next season. And despite those men being more experienced, the most value experience in the Premier League is Premier League experience because there are big differences in how they play the game in Germany, Italy or Spain compared to England. There are years left until Pastore will be at his peak, therefore getting a young option is the best one - and then he would have years with Premier League experience before he is at 27. The best young playmaker in Europe has to be Pastore, he has a massive talent and I would love to see him take the Manchester United shirt this summer.
Best man available IMO, and he can turn out to be the cheapest as well when we are talking about players at his level.
I just don't really think he fits in our system, he's shown versatility though. Played right up top alongside Cavani, played on either side of a two in 4321, played on the left or centre of a 4231...and he's imposed himself regardless. He has that special quality of making 9/10 touches count.
He has a lot more to his game than I expected I must say, he's a genuine threat in the box and he's certainly more defensively aware than the playmakers of yesteryear(partly expected), so I've been impressed. I think saying he has the engine of a Fletcher is slightly OTT(is it based off just this game?), but he does press the ball well.
He has a lot more to his game than I expected I must say, he's a genuine threat in the box and he's certainly more defensively aware than the playmakers of yesteryear(partly expected), so I've been impressed. I think saying he has the engine of a Fletcher is slightly OTT(is it based off just this game?), but he does press the ball well.
Could he play centrally in a 442 (midfield or attack) without being weakened? I used to feel Schweinsteiger could not cope but he has excelled in a deeper role. Wesley Sneijder, also, has added more grit and workrate to his game and seems to function well from further back.
He played centrally in something resembling a 442 against Brescia and looked a threat throughout, scoring a goal and hitting the woodwork and being the main creator in Balzaretti's goal, but playing him in a 442 seems a bit pointless. He thrives from picking up the space in between midfield and defence so forcing him to stay ahead of or behind that space doesn't seem all that beneficial.
You can't think like that when you are looking for a new man. Because if you are looking for the perfect player, you will find that he rareley exist. As Ferguson said when we signed Carrick - you can't look at what they cannot do, you need to focus on what they can do. And Pastore has many attributes at the age of 21.
Roy Keane were far more attacking right after we signed him from Nottingham Forrest than when he closed to his retirement. He developed into the best defensive midfielder in the world at his time in United, he was not even close to that when we signed him. Defending is a lot easier than attacking... It demands experience, but almost anyone can learn defending. Nani was not very good at the defensive bit when we signed him, he is a lot better now.
Pastore is only 21 years old, he can adapt into a new formation rather easily. He is physically strong, and has clever positioning so I am sure that he can become good at the defensive bit... He will probably never become a world class defensive midfielder, but to be fair, that is not what we are looking for right now neither. Almost everyone is better defensivly closer to their retirement than at their young days. Pastore will need to adapt to the English game if we sign him, that might take time. But I feel confindet that he has all the talent needed to become a great Premier League player... I am not sure that we see the best of him at Palermo neither, I believe he could do far better at a better club. Earlier today in the game against Lazio there were three or four times, he stood wide open at 30 meter outside the box without the Palermo teammates spotting him - in a situation I feel confident that he would get the ball if he played for us, and he had 2-3 passes whom easily would become assists if the receivers were Rooney or Hernandez. Seing how gets played tacticly in Palermo might not be the best way for him to play, and just because he plays that way down there does not mean he cant play differently.
Thanks for the insight, guys.
You have a good point, Georgie Best. Scholes, for instance, has greatly evolved throughout his career.
It's just that we don't tend to sign traditional number 10/trequartista types (as I, perhaps incorrectly, believe Pastore to be). The last was Anderson. Many wonder if his transition to a deeper midfielder has stunted his growth.
Whatever happens, though, I don't believe United will change their regular formation to incorporate a #10. At least not while Sir Alex is here. That means that players like Pastore would likely be converted to suit a flat midfield 4, shifted wide or played as a second striker.
You have a good point, Georgie Best. Scholes, for instance, has greatly evolved throughout his career.
It's just that we don't tend to sign traditional number 10/trequartista types (as I, perhaps incorrectly, believe Pastore to be). The last was Anderson. Many wonder if his transition to a deeper midfielder has stunted his growth.
Whatever happens, though, I don't believe United will change their regular formation to incorporate a #10. At least not while Sir Alex is here. That means that players like Pastore would likely be converted to suit a flat midfield 4, shifted wide or played as a second striker.
That's just silly, Sneijder has achieved more but in terms of quality there is very little between them, different kinds of players anyway.
I think he has a point. Sneijder has showed more than most players ever are capable of. He was the key man behind Real Madrid's La Liga in 2008, Florentino Perez probably did not watch them much that season because selling him for €15m and signing Kaka for €60m made no sense whatsoever. They sold a better man than they got. Last season he was one of the key players in Inter's treble, and carried perhaps the weakest Holland squad for a very long time all the way to the final... If there are any common sense in the world he will win the Ballon d'Or something that very few people achieve.
What has Özil achieved? He had a hell of a world cup (So did El Hadji Diouf), was rather unknown ahead of that world cup. But it is not like he was the best German player? Both Schweinstenger and Müller were better... I sincerely doubt that he will become the same level that Sneijder were last season, because very few get a season like that. Khedira might be a better signing for Real Madrid than Özil, whom I doubt were a mentionable improvement for Rafael van der Vaart the next couple of years.
Pastore > Özil
The weakest Holland squad for a long time? Seriously?
I've seen quite a bit of Pastore and he's undoubtedly a special talent but like Brwned said; to truly get the best from him we'd have to play more 4-2-3-1.
On a side note for those that have seen a bit of Ganso, who do you feel is more adaptable to our league?
On a side note for those that have seen a bit of Ganso, who do you feel is more adaptable to our league?
yup, I thought so too.
Quality is subjective. Sniejders had an unbelievable 12 months. He deserves to win the world player of the year award. Ozil is a kid who is all talent. Very premature to compare them.
feck I'd hate to face Barca with him, Iniesta and Xavi in the same midfield..
Robben and Sniejder apart, the squad didn't possess a glittering array of stars in top form all over the pitch, but they were very well organized and devoid of ego. Compare it to the good old days of Bergkamp, Davids, Seedorf, Kluivert.. or VDS, Stam, RVN etc.
My opinion is that Bert van Marwijk made a brilliant job making a unit out of the worst dutch squad since forever. They always has world class strikers... van Nistelrooy, Kluivert, Bergkamp, Makaay, van Basten a long long way back. Now they had to rely on a injured van Persie, Real Madrid and Milan reject Huntelaar, Liverpol "aces" Babel and Kuyt and Elija... From a forward perspective there are little doubt.
Even though they had a great midfield this world cup, they have always had that. Seedorf, van Bommel, Cocu, Davids, Overmars and before that Gullit, Rikjaard & Co, and right now they don't have any world class defenders neither, Jaap Stam, de Boer etc. They have had those in the past too. Last but not least, Stekelenburg is not van der Sar. All in all, it is fair to say that this is one of the weakest Holland squads ever assembeled in a world cup.
Agree with G.Best. Holland had a very weak team on paper imo. But they played really well as a team and it shows that it doesn't need a team filled with superstars to play good football
That will not be as bad as facing barca with Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas... Sooner or later, that will happen.
Robben was on fire and Sneijder carried on his good form. De jong was brutish in midfield with Van Bommel.
Exquisite assist just now. Backheel through traffic to put his man in on goal.
Sign him up.
Sign him up.
got 2 goals against Catania today
Make that a hattrick.
Exceptional player. One of the real standouts in Seria A. I'd have him over Pato or anyone else in Seria A at the moment.
You look at his ability in midfield and what we currently have and it's just depressing.
You look at his ability in midfield and what we currently have and it's just depressing.
Why? Fabregas as brilliant as he is, isn't that much different then Iniesta or Xavi. In fact he's probably got a little of both players, but in terms of ability he's very similar.
Pastore offers a new dimension to their attack and quite frankly a midfield with him and Xavi+Iniesta to me is a lot more potent then one with Fabregas in it. I have a feeling Pastore is about to kick it up a few levels in the next few years as well.
Pastore can actually defend very well and is a top notch dribbler ala Iniesta. I fear that type of midfielder way more than the Fabregas type.
Agree. Fabregas is fine player as is Xavi but in that CL final, everytime Iniesta touched the ball, he frightened the feck out of me. He has so much to hurt you with. In addition to the short crisp passing that the other two can do, he can beat defenders for fun.
I'd be interested to think where people think he would play?
The systems Barca play needs a holding midfiled player. Xavi and Iniesta will go on for a while - maybe behind Villa and Messi?
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