Javier Pastore

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Just doesnt strike me as a player Utd would go for at the moment. Im fairly confident in that statement.

Much more likely to go down the Young or Modric route.

two players that are definetly in the no value catergory. Modric would cost us 40 - 50 mil, Young 25+ just for being British.
 
If he remains true to the way he has acted, and shows some brains, he will turn down Barcelona imo.

He has shown he values actually playing football - he won't look at that Bacelona midfield and think 'nailed on starter'. He will have seen what has happened with Affellay and Mascherano. If he wants to play, Barcelona is not the team for him, imo.

If we want him, I think we have a good chance of getting him - Juve and a couple of English teams will be our competition imo, so it depends on whether we want to go up vs Chelsea/City for him. Th fact we tried to sign him previously might weigh in our favour too.
 
two players that are definetly in the no value catergory. Modric would cost us 40 - 50 mil, Young 25+ just for being British.

I honestly don't see Young going for anywhere near that.

will only have a year left on his contract and Villa have already made it fairly public knowledge that they need to reduce the wages/turnover ratio at the club. Given his age as well, his next contract is hugely important. If he wants to sign for a top club, he will need to do so either this summer or next summer. So, imo, he either gets Villa to sell at a reasonable fee this year or he sits on his contract and leaves for free next year. I think a reasonable fee this year is more likely.
 
Young will probably go for around £15m this summer I reckon. Not worth Villa playing hardball for one more season from a player who isn't going to sign new terms. They will be hoping for an auction, hopefully involving City, to push the price anywhere close to £20m.
 
Depends if Spurs make the champions league, if not that puts us in a much better bargaining position.

Hes proven in Europe and the Premier League, id take him anyday over someone who might turn out to be a superstar.

I agree that he's a top player, and would be my choice if we are to invest - but Spurs will want a mega sum, he's on a long contract and the likes of Madrid and City would almost certainly drive the price up.
 
I agree that he's a top player, and would be my choice if we are to invest - but Spurs will want a mega sum, he's on a long contract and the likes of Madrid and City would almost certainly drive the price up.

Id rather pay £35m for Modric than £25-30m on a gamble on Pastore though, with our massive warchest ;)
 
I honestly don't see Young going for anywhere near that.

will only have a year left on his contract and Villa have already made it fairly public knowledge that they need to reduce the wages/turnover ratio at the club. Given his age as well, his next contract is hugely important. If he wants to sign for a top club, he will need to do so either this summer or next summer. So, imo, he either gets Villa to sell at a reasonable fee this year or he sits on his contract and leaves for free next year. I think a reasonable fee this year is more likely.

Young will probably go for around £15m this summer I reckon. Not worth Villa playing hardball for one more season from a player who isn't going to sign new terms. They will be hoping for an auction, hopefully involving City, to push the price anywhere close to £20m.

Fair enough didn't realise he was on his last year but as he's a winger / forward, exactly the type of player we don't need.
 
Gambs I've been impressed with your work in this thread, throw in some mst3k quotes and you'll have my vote for another year. RDC07 is making a push this year though btw

I've only just got the internet back again so I missed the original fuss when the rumour started a week ago. Still go back even further and you'll see I rule this thread.
 
Challenge accepted! This year's battle is going to be LEGEN......

wait for it.....

...DARY! LEGENDARY!

No it won't. My victory is so assured it won't even be considered a challenge! All Hail the King!
 
I agree that he's a top player, and would be my choice if we are to invest - but Spurs will want a mega sum, he's on a long contract and the likes of Madrid and City would almost certainly drive the price up.

We always over-pay Spurs.
 
You really do hate Silva, Ekeke, don't you?
 
From the little I have seen of him, he is wonderfully talented.

We will never sign this type of player though, but a more versatile play-maker like Götze would be an excellent signing.
 
From the little I have seen of him, he is wonderfully talented.

We will never sign this type of player though, but a more versatile play-maker like Götze would be an excellent signing.

Why wouldn't we sign "this type of player"?

And why do you think Gotze more versatile than Pastore? IMO its the other way round!
 
You really do hate Silva, Ekeke, don't you?

Why would I hate him? He's a good player.

I dislike people who cant see past fancy dans though and think thats what is important in football, that a player looks "class".

There needs to be a lot of substance too. And in Silva's case I've watched him almost every week for over 3 seasons. There's not enough. Not enough to be a top player anyway. Not enough for us to have spent more than what City paid for him, which I actually said was a decent price considering we were linked with £30 million moves.

He can do a decent job on the wing, although really he creeps inside and plays in the middle from there. You lose a lot. He's better suited to playing in the hole, but he doesnt produce near enough to play there for a top team. Perhaps he's best suited to play at the head of a diamond midfield, but thats just speculation as he's never played there. So who knows if he'd be great there or if its just another position where he does a job, but not the standard that top teams expect?

It is frustrating when a gifted player never fulfills his potential. After a number of years I've tired of waiting to see him do it. Perhaps he never will.
 
Why wouldn't we sign "this type of player"?

And why do you think Gotze more versatile than Pastore? IMO its the other way round!

Goetze can track back well and put tackles in, does Pastore track back as much as say Nani and Valencia when he plays wide?
 
Goetze can track back well and put tackles in, does Pastore track back as much as say Nani and Valencia when he plays wide?

No. Not at the moment.

I was looking at it from an attacking point of view. Pastore's defensive responsibilities should be kept to an absolute minimum. Afford him the same luxury Ronaldo had. In that scenario he's surely the more versatile player!
 
No. Not at the moment.

I was looking at it from an attacking point of view. Pastore's defensive responsibilities should be kept to an absolute minimum. Afford him the same luxury Ronaldo had. In that scenario he's surely the more versatile player!

Well Goetze can play every position that Pastore does, but can be asked to do a better "all round" performance when it comes to defending for the team, tracking back, knowing his responsibilities.

That doesnt mean he's as good a player going forward, and why would he be at 18 years old? He's not. But more versatile? I'd give him the edge at this point. Pastore would be more of a specialist.
 
Interview with Pastore:

Pastore: ''Mi espejo siempre ha sido Kaká'' - Entrevistas - Don Balón

A few questions, translated with Google:
- Is now to step into a big?
- Who does not want to play in a big team? All I want, but I feel very well in Palermo. I need to be part of a team that, if possible, wish to address the ball well and have an aesthetic game.

"In Palermo you are well ...
"Today, I would not go unless the president comes with one of those irresistible offers, but I'd like to be pressured to leave. All in good time. It is too early to think about future decisions.

- What was your pass as mentioned at Barcelona?

"Barcelona are a team with many champions and I there would be one more. At my age you want to play and I have almost always certain that there would have been nearly impossible. In the Barcelona or Real Madrid, big stars end on the bench and not what I want.



The third quote is interesting, the translation is bad but it appears as if he wouldn't want to move to Barca/Madrid to sit on the bench - but that doesn't mean he won't want to move there in the future. I've never seen him play but a lot of people rate him, however, my concern would be spending so much money on a player who will likely want to move to Spain when he's 25-26.
 
Interview with Pastore:

The third quote is interesting, the translation is bad but it appears as if he wouldn't want to move to Barca/Madrid to sit on the bench - but that doesn't mean he won't want to move there in the future. I've never seen him play but a lot of people rate him, however, my concern would be spending so much money on a player who will likely want to move to Spain when he's 25-26.

The taught of that truly sucks, but it shouldnt stop us from signing a player.

If we go after him, there isnt many players at out club that is in his way (depending on how we play), at Real he will mostly be against Ozil/Kaka (if he stays)/Granero/Canales/Leon, and Barca were atm, he basically has very little hope.
 
Sign him, we'll win a few leagues and maybe a CL or two with him and sell him on for 80m. I'm okay with that.
 
Why would I hate him? He's a good player.

I dislike people who cant see past fancy dans though and think thats what is important in football, that a player looks "class".

There needs to be a lot of substance too. And in Silva's case I've watched him almost every week for over 3 seasons. There's not enough. Not enough to be a top player anyway. Not enough for us to have spent more than what City paid for him, which I actually said was a decent price considering we were linked with £30 million moves.

He can do a decent job on the wing, although really he creeps inside and plays in the middle from there. You lose a lot. He's better suited to playing in the hole, but he doesnt produce near enough to play there for a top team. Perhaps he's best suited to play at the head of a diamond midfield, but thats just speculation as he's never played there. So who knows if he'd be great there or if its just another position where he does a job, but not the standard that top teams expect?

It is frustrating when a gifted player never fulfills his potential. After a number of years I've tired of waiting to see him do it. Perhaps he never will.

the first bit explaining silvas drifting inside, is that not what giggs does for us now? Again I think if silva went to a team that had chemistry and some big game players all around him, he would excel. City is a mismash of egos and talent while in Valencia, I could be very wrong here, he had mostly just villa ahead of him.

:lol:

And look at what they said about Milner, Silva's only done a bit more.

Sorry, I wasnt very clear about what I meant, my post there was more in terms of people questioning Pastore handling the physicality of the Prem, which I think silva has adjusted too quicker than people expected.
 
Interview with Pastore:

Pastore: ''Mi espejo siempre ha sido Kaká'' - Entrevistas - Don Balón

A few questions, translated with Google:


The third quote is interesting, the translation is bad but it appears as if he wouldn't want to move to Barca/Madrid to sit on the bench - but that doesn't mean he won't want to move there in the future. I've never seen him play but a lot of people rate him, however, my concern would be spending so much money on a player who will likely want to move to Spain when he's 25-26.
I'm all for it if he goes to BArca hell be just like Affelay. Madrid though could make a space for him and have already had a bid for him turned down..
 
Based on what exactly do you make that claim?
I'm amazed how people can make a claim based on a player that doesn't even play in the same league as us, then put that player into our midfield!

Anyone who knows me on this forum would realise that I gamble a lot, this entails watching football from all over the globe (especially Serie A which is free to watch if you bet on it). Consequently I have watched Palermo and Pastore at least twenty times over the last couple of years, needless to say he is a very impressive player. The boy can run through defences or pass through them, he's got a terrific first touch and most importantly you can see he has a proper football brain.

As for my Barca claim my feeling is that we already have a better defence than them and we have wonderful wingers and strikers. All we are missing is a world class midfielder that our less talented (but workmanlike) CM's can look to for answers- I feel Pastore could be that player.
 
the first bit explaining silvas drifting inside, is that not what giggs does for us now? Again I think if silva went to a team that had chemistry and some big game players all around him, he would excel. City is a mismash of egos and talent while in Valencia, I could be very wrong here, he had mostly just villa ahead of him.

Nope, in fact I went to great lengths a month or two ago to show on an average position chart how far inside Silva plays compared to Giggs. Giggs still gives us width and quality delivery from wide. Silva's average position ends up more narrow than some players playing central midfield in a 3. Giggs still gives you what you want from a winger. But he plays a few yards inside from where he used to. Silva doesnt give what you want from a winger and plays even narrower.

As for Valencia, yeah he was the second most high profile player (after a while, I mean Joaquin was their record signing and Vicente was at the top of his game before his injuries.) But I'm not sure where you're leading it? Because he wasnt better at Valencia.



Sorry, I wasnt very clear about what I meant, my post there was more in terms of people questioning Pastore handling the physicality of the Prem, which I think silva has adjusted too quicker than people expected.

Well, I see. But there have been many occasions this season where Silva's lack of strength has seen him turnover possession of the ball. Not just early on but recently too. He still enjoys himself out there (it would seem) and isnt exactly bullied out of matches, but I wouldnt say he's completely adjusted to the premier league either.
 
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