Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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Those players play in attacking positions. It isn't set in stone that you must play with two wingers. There are many tactics that could make use of Chicha even with RVP, or with both RVP and Rooney.

And to be fair, I don't know what any of Giggs and Young offers more than Chicha even in the wings.


Yeah, let's change our whole philosophy, football style, and formation we are playing for years just to fit Hernandez in.
 
Yeah, let's change our whole philosophy, football style, and formation we are playing for years just to fit Hernandez in.

Okay, let's continue starting Giggs and Young in the wing. They are very productive.

I wouldn't have asked for Chicha to start and to change our formation if Nani and Valencia would be playing as good as in 2010-2012.
 
Okay, let's continue starting Giggs and Young in the wing. They are very productive.

I wouldn't have asked for Chicha to start and to change our formation if Nani and Valencia would be playing as good as in 2010-2012.

Thing is United have better wingers. One was on the bench and the other was not in the squad.
 
Thing is United have better wingers. One was on the bench and the other was not in the squad.

Then we should play them. If by out of the squad you mean Zaha, I think it's too early to be considered even a squad player.

In cases like today, when our 'good' wingers aren't playing than I would much preferred to see a change of formation than to play with the same formation but with players that aren't good enough.
 
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Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez rejected the opportunity to join Tottenham Hotspur in the summer – because he is desperate to become a key part of David Moyes’ starting XI.
The Mexico international was approached by the Lilywhites in the closing weeks of the transfer window – which closed on Monday.
Spurs boss Andre Villas-Boas believed he could lure the 25-year-old away from Old Trafford with the promise of regular first-team football and the prospect of forming a deadly partnership with £26 million summer signing Roberto Soldado.
But Hernandez snubbed his advances, as he believes he can force his way into Moyes’ plans.
Robin van Persie is currently first-choice at the Premier League champions, with Wayne Rooney and Danny Welbeck also in the frame for a starting spot.
However, a United source told SportsDirect News: “Javier loves it at United, and he really thinks he can become a key player under the new boss.
“Even with Robin, Wayne and Danny at the club, he believes he offers something different.
“He’s quick, deceptively strong and is also quality in front of goal. He knows he can score goals, as he has done since he joined the club
“Everyone at Old Trafford knows he can do the same this season.”
Hernandez bagged 18 goals for United in 36 appearances in all competitions last season, and also impressed for his country.
In two international friendlies the hotshot hit two goals, and he also bagged three goals in three Confederations Cup appearances in the mid-summer tournament in Brazil.


 
He had an injury coming into the beginning of the season didn't he? He surely should be getting some game time soon, I really hope so anyway.
 
Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez rejected the opportunity to join Tottenham Hotspur in the summer – because he is desperate to become a key part of David Moyes’ starting XI.
The Mexico international was approached by the Lilywhites in the closing weeks of the transfer window – which closed on Monday.
Spurs boss Andre Villas-Boas believed he could lure the 25-year-old away from Old Trafford with the promise of regular first-team football and the prospect of forming a deadly partnership with £26 million summer signing Roberto Soldado.
But Hernandez snubbed his advances, as he believes he can force his way into Moyes’ plans.
Robin van Persie is currently first-choice at the Premier League champions, with Wayne Rooney and Danny Welbeck also in the frame for a starting spot.
However, a United source told SportsDirect News: “Javier loves it at United, and he really thinks he can become a key player under the new boss.
“Even with Robin, Wayne and Danny at the club, he believes he offers something different.
“He’s quick, deceptively strong and is also quality in front of goal. He knows he can score goals, as he has done since he joined the club
“Everyone at Old Trafford knows he can do the same this season.”
Hernandez bagged 18 goals for United in 36 appearances in all competitions last season, and also impressed for his country.
In two international friendlies the hotshot hit two goals, and he also bagged three goals in three Confederations Cup appearances in the mid-summer tournament in Brazil.

Monday night ended on a very low note but had we also sold Chicharito I would've lost all perspective.

After sitting through pretty much 70 minutes of tumescent garbage from us in the Liverpool game Hernandez came on and, as he has so many times before, immediately changed the game with his movement and running: opening up space for others and almost getting us on the score sheet remarkably from a perfectly placed pass instead of shooting himself.

Like with Ole when Hernandez is on the pitch you just believe that we can score. Giggsy at 40 and Young in this form just shouldn't be preferred to him.
 
Monday night ended on a very low note but had we also sold Chicharito I would've lost all perspective.

Would have been seriously pissed off, and still would be right now.

Like with Ole when Hernandez is on the pitch you just believe that we can score. Giggsy at 40 and Young in this form just shouldn't be preferred to him.
Like SAF said about Ole, if they needed a goal they'd pop him in. It's not a question, it's not a possibility, it's just what happens.
 
I just think he's a better player than Welbeck, really, and it does baffle me how little he gets to start ahead of him.


I guess problem with Hernandez is that he will have to lead the line so bringing him in forces RVP deeper. Where as Welbeck can play deeper and in a wider role. Could be though with Fellaini, we're able to push two strikers higher up the pitch in some games, though still got the problem of Rooney being ahead of him.
 
Could he play wide though? He's fast, deceptively strong, creative, whips in a neat cross, and often drifts on to the wing for Mexico, giving Dos Santos the middle.
 
I guess problem with Hernandez is that he will have to lead the line so bringing him in forces RVP deeper. Where as Welbeck can play deeper and in a wider role. Could be though with Fellaini, we're able to push two strikers higher up the pitch in some games, though still got the problem of Rooney being ahead of him.


Yeah Welbeck is getting so many more games more than Hernandez because of his versatility, he can realistically play as the leading striker like in 2011/12, behind Van Persie and also as a winger. Chich is really only gonna play as a number 9
 
I guess problem with Hernandez is that he will have to lead the line so bringing him in forces RVP deeper. Where as Welbeck can play deeper and in a wider role. Could be though with Fellaini, we're able to push two strikers higher up the pitch in some games, though still got the problem of Rooney being ahead of him.

That's not really what happened at Liverpool though or on the final day of last season at West Brom. Van Persie was sent through on goal by Hernandez in both games and not just the once either. He's definitely playing with more confidence outside of the box and he regularly runs the channels and allows other players to drift into the space he vacates anyways.

Could he play wide though? He's fast, deceptively strong, creative, whips in a neat cross, and often drifts on to the wing for Mexico, giving Dos Santos the middle.

I have thought this more than once. I could see Hernandez being used as a wide forward in the same way Barca used David Villa and Eto'o. Natural strikers who start on the flanks and hit the spots between the centre and full backs to get their goals when the main striker moves deep to bring others into the game. I don't think he could ever be a pure wide man like Antonio Valencia but I could see Hernandez playing the 'Pedro' role at inside right in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 even.
 
I have thought this more than once. I could see Hernandez being used as a wide forward in the same way Barca used David Villa and Eto'o. Natural strikers who start on the flanks and hit the spots between the centre and full backs to get their goals when the main striker moves deep to bring others into the game. I don't think he could ever be a pure wide man like Antonio Valencia but I could see Hernandez playing the 'Pedro' role at inside right in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 even.
That's exactly what I was thinking, not a pure winger at all, but a wide forward. I'm fairly certain he'd be quality at it.
 
I just think playing Hernandez as an inside winger would lose his main weapon: being in and around the 6 yard box. He has got an alright long shot, but I'd say all of our wingers are better at long range than him, as well as crossing. We should keep him at his main position, and that is where we will get the best out of him. We're playing too many players out of their positions this season and last, most notably Kagawa, Rooney and Welbeck. We shouldn't be adding another to that list.
 
It sounds like a strange thing to say, but a fully fit and firing Hernandez would have probably been a better option than RVP at Anfield. His movement would have definitely stretched Liverpool.
 
That's not really what happened at Liverpool though or on the final day of last season at West Brom. Van Persie was sent through on goal by Hernandez in both games and not just the once either. He's definitely playing with more confidence outside of the box and he regularly runs the channels and allows other players to drift into the space he vacates anyways.


But generally Hernandez will play as the lead striker, of course there will be some overlap there always is, I can't imagine a partnership like that where the number 10 never goes beyond the number 9, but as I said in general Hernandez pushes RVP deeper.
 
It sounds like a strange thing to say, but a fully fit and firing Hernandez would have probably been a better option than RVP at Anfield. His movement would have definitely stretched Liverpool.


But we had no one who was gonna give it to him. Valencia and Young couldn't beat their man the majority of the time most their passing seemed to be going back the way it came, Giggs's passing wasn't quite there and Welbeck isn't gonna create anything either. I guess you could argue we'd have been better with both of them as RVP can create from deeper, but it depends on how fit Hernandez was.
 
It sounds like a strange thing to say, but a fully fit and firing Hernandez would have probably been a better option than RVP at Anfield. His movement would have definitely stretched Liverpool.

I dont think the striker was the problem there. Its the players behind him who are not doing the job. Our wingers have been dog shit over the past 15 months. With no balls into the box how do you expect a striker to score. He can only do so much on his own.
 
And hopefully Hernandez can get match fit by playing for Mexico over the next week.
 
Talk about Nani not being given a chance, but the same applies to Hernandez. Came on at Liverpool and offered more in our attacking play than anyone else did, should've come on today too.

I hope he doesn't leave but I wouldn't blame him if he does.
 
He's alienating our better players and putting an arm round the donkeys, what the feck!
 
Granted at 4 nil we weren't going to win but how about bringing him on and changing it up a little
 
Should have started today IMO. City were always going to tight mark Rooney after his recent performances. Playing Welbeck who regularly drops deep didn't help Rooney's cause at all. It encouraged the City's defenders to come out of defence to double up on Rooney in midfield. Having a Hernandez who stays on the shoulder of the defender would make them think twice about pushing up and at the same time frees some space in midfield for Rooney.
 
Needs to be featuring otherwise we risk losing him
 
He's a goalscorer and he works just as hard as Welbeck does. It's mental that we have such a clinical player and he's hardly featuring.
 
This may be Chicharito's last season at United. Doesn't seem to be a David Moyes style player. Moyes never really used small number 9s at Everton and the way we're playing right now make me wonder how Hernandez fits into Moyes' plans? He certainly seems to big target men to the type of striker that likes a through ball. Had Fergie been around and we'd needed a goal or two at City I'm sure, with the options available, he'd have chucked Chico on but Moyes pushed Fellaini forward. Ominous.
 
This may be Chicharito's last season at United. Doesn't seem to be a David Moyes style player. Moyes never really used small number 9s at Everton and the way we're playing right now make me wonder how Hernandez fits into Moyes' plans? He certainly seems to big target men to the type of striker that likes a through ball. Had Fergie been around and we'd needed a goal or two at City I'm sure, with the options available, he'd have chucked Chico on but Moyes pushed Fellaini forward. Ominous.

He used Jelavic at Everton.
 
I'd be worried if I were Hernandez. He seems to give it his all, but both SAF and now Moyes seem to be rewarding him very poorly in terms of playing time.

To not even get on the pitch today when we perhaps needed some goals must be annoying as feck.
 
Maybe Moyes is worried about burn out, or lack of match fitness - he did join us late in pre-season
 
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