Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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Pogue Mahone said:
Well yeah, but that's got everything to do with Welbeck's progress and nothing to do with Rooney's status at the club.

Anyway, whatever you think about Welbeck, Hernandez has shown nothing to make any manager think they should pick him ahead of RvP or Rooney when they're both fit and available. That would be madness.
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Normally I'd agree, but we've now had a season and a half for the Rooney / RvP partnership to blossom, and it just hasn't. They seem to get in each other's way more than anything! Whereas in their few games together up top, Hernandez and RvP seemed to have a real understanding starting to develop.

Obviously Rooney is a better footballer than Hernandez, but Mata is also better than Willian yet was dropped by Mourinho because the latter suited the system and the team balance at Chelsea better overall. As a striking partnership in a 4-4-2 I really thought we should have given the Chicharito / RvP one more chances, since it looked so promising. I guess you can't do that without Rooney throwing his toys out of the pram again, though.
 
Thing is, if we had Sturridge, would he be playing over Rooney or RVP.
Based on form, yes he would.
If liverpool had Rooney or RVP, one of them would be playing over Sturridge.

Sometimes i think having too many good options is not good for the team. Sturridge is doing well because he knows that even if he's shit in a game, there is little change of him being dropped.
 
Count Orduck said:
Normally I'd agree, but we've now had a season and a half for the Rooney / RvP partnership to blossom, and it just hasn't. They seem to get in each other's way more than anything! Whereas in their few games together up top, Hernandez and RvP seemed to have a real understanding starting to develop.

Obviously Rooney is a better footballer than Hernandez, but Mata is also better than Willian yet was dropped by Mourinho because the latter suited the system and the team balance at Chelsea better overall. As a striking partnership in a 4-4-2 I really thought we should have given the Chicharito / RvP one more chances, since it looked so promising. I guess you can't do that without Rooney throwing his toys out of the pram again, though.
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I actually kind of agree with you about the RvP/Rooney partnership. I don't think Hernandez is anywhere near good enough to break it up though, even if he did have a few good games alongside Van Persie.

What games were they anyway? Were we/he much more prolific than usual?

The best Hernandez partnership I can remember was with your favourite player, Wayne Rooney. Towards the end of the season before last. Genuinely can't remember if/when he had a good run with RvP.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I actually kind of agree with you about the RvP/Rooney partnership. I don't think Hernandez is anywhere near good enough to break it up though, even if he did have a few good games alongside Van Persie.

What games were they anyway? Were we/he much more prolific than usual?

The best Hernandez partnership I can remember was with your favourite player, Wayne Rooney. Towards the end of the season before last. Genuinely can't remember if/when he had a good run with RvP.
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I'm gonna be honest, I can't rememer the exact games. I just have a notion that I recall them being very good together, and I'm pretty sure there was a general consensus that the two had gelled very well. Sadly, they were only playing together because Rooney was injured for a few games, and when he was fit again he slotted straight back in.

And I agree that Hernandez and Rooney formed a very good partnership. I think Hernandez is actually a lot like Sturridge (though not as talented) - he's a great finisher, and generally ok at football overall, but he thrives when played next to a truly world class striker. Sturridge has that in Suarez at Liverpool. I think the fact that Hernandez and Sturridge are "less" talented helps the team as a whole, because -- as we've seen with RvP and Rooney -- two strikers trying to do it all just means they get in each other's way. That's why, in my opinion, Hernandez formed such a great partnership with Rooney for that period, too.
 
Count Orduck said:
I'm gonna be honest, I can't rememer the exact games. I just have a notion that I recall them being very good together, and I'm pretty sure there was a general consensus that the two had gelled very well. Sadly, they were only playing together because Rooney was injured for a few games, and when he was fit again he slotted straight back in.

And I agree that Hernandez and Rooney formed a very good partnership. I think Hernandez is actually a lot like Sturridge (though not as talented) - he's a great finisher, and generally ok at football overall, but he thrives when played next to a truly world class striker. Sturridge has that in Suarez at Liverpool. I think the fact that Hernandez and Sturridge are "less" talented helps the team as a whole, because -- as we've seen with RvP and Rooney -- two strikers trying to do it all just means they get in each other's way. That's why, in my opinion, Hernandez formed such a great partnership with Rooney for that period, too.
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Yeah, don't disagree with you there. The whole Rooney/RvP conundrum is a worry. That's why I'm not overly fussed if we can't hold onto RvP. I know Rooney is persona non gratis but he's here to stay and his goal-scoring (and assists) record speaks for itself. If RvP does move on, Hernandez will get more opportunities to play alongside Rooney. It's possible that the two of them will end up striking up a great partnership again. Stranger things have happened.
 
We should loan him out to a good premiership club, like Chelsea did with Lukaku.

Get him playing at a good level regularly. I think it is likely RVP will leave in the next couple of years, and I would rather we keep Hernandez on the books than have to try to find another replacement.
 
Unless RVP pulls his proverbial finger out, I'd rather we stuck Hernandez up front to be honest. No matter how much skill you have, if you're not putting in effort the overall impact on the team is negative.

In the last two matches Van Persie was doing so little to justify his place it's insulting. Not making runs, not pulling defenders away, not closing down defenders with the ball, not peeling into the channels. It was stroppy, immature and petulant. You'd think he played for the Dutch team or something! (I kid I kid...but seriously).

Hernandez obviously doesn't have the skill, but energy can go a long way, and given the talent of Mata/Rooney/Janujaz behind him, it could actually be more dangerous.
 
Van Persie makes a shit load of runs. Sadly, neither our midfield or coaching staff understand how to use a striker of such quality. The notion that Van Persie actively isn't trying his best is quite hilarious.

A shame that Hernandez is injured, it would be nice if he could end his career here on a good note. It bothers me that so many of our players will leave on bad terms, whether that be form or personal.
 
Kag said:
Van Persie makes a shit load of runs. Sadly, neither our midfield or coaching staff understand how to use a striker of such quality. The notion that Van Persie actively isn't trying his best is quite hilarious.

A shame that Hernandez is injured, it would be nice if he could end his career here on a good note. It bothers me that so many of our players will leave on bad terms, whether that be form or personal.
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Hernandez makes a "shitload of runs" x5 then.
 
One Night Only said:
Hernandez makes a "shitload of runs" x5 then.
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I was referring to Beachryan's post. Van Persie may not be as energetic, or noticeably on the move as Hernandez, or even Welbeck, but his off the shoulder runs are as subtle as they are superb. If we played in a way that encouraged football through the centre then Van Persie would be fantastic. Sadly, our current football isn't made for him.
 
Kag said:
I was referring to Beachryan's post. Van Persie may not be as energetic, or noticeably on the move as Hernandez, or even Welbeck, but his off the shoulder runs are as subtle as they are superb. If we played in a way that encouraged football through the centre then Van Persie would be fantastic. Sadly, our current football isn't made for him.
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Our current football isn't made for anyone tbh. Maybe Stoke.
 
Kag said:
I was referring to Beachryan's post. Van Persie may not be as energetic, or noticeably on the move as Hernandez, or even Welbeck, but his off the shoulder runs are as subtle as they are superb. If we played in a way that encouraged football through the centre then Van Persie would be fantastic. Sadly, our current football isn't made for him.
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yep last season SAF said it took months for the players to adjust to RVP's runs.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, don't disagree with you there. The whole Rooney/RvP conundrum is a worry. That's why I'm not overly fussed if we can't hold onto RvP. I know Rooney is persona non gratis but he's here to stay and his goal-scoring (and assists) record speaks for itself. If RvP does move on, Hernandez will get more opportunities to play alongside Rooney. It's possible that the two of them will end up striking up a great partnership again. Stranger things have happened.
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I just feel Hernandez has recently been so pissed off with it all that regardless of RVP leaving, he's going to want to go to. Unless Moyes does a bit of that Scottish sweet talking of his of course.....
 
togg said:
I just feel Hernandez has recently been so pissed off with it all that regardless of RVP leaving, he's going to want to go to. Unless Moyes does a bit of that Scottish sweet talking of his of course.....
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Give him a Glasgow kiss if he asks to leave?
 
Moyes has handled him extremely poorly, along with several other players, but I'm happy to see him leave in the summer. I think it would suit both player and club. Whenever he starts, he harms our play so much, his technique just isn't adequate. Compared with Rooney, Mata, van Persie, Kagawa, Welbeck, and Januzaj, Chicharito just seems so out of place.
 
gza the genius said:
We could potentially lose both RvP and Chicharito this summer, thus opening up another position we would need to strengthen. I hope we don't let that happen.
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If we lose both RVP and Hernandez then we will have to buy a minimum of 1 striker, also it will leave us with only Rooney as our main striker.

Before everyone jumps on me....Wellbeck is not prolific for me to be our main golascorer.
 
johnmufc said:
Moyes has handled him extremely poorly, along with several other players, but I'm happy to see him leave in the summer. I think it would suit both player and club. Whenever he starts, he harms our play so much, his technique just isn't adequate. Compared with Rooney, Mata, van Persie, Kagawa, Welbeck, and Januzaj, Chicharito just seems so out of place.
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yeah, the little pea is becoming a bit of a big plum at the moment...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I actually kind of agree with you about the RvP/Rooney partnership. I don't think Hernandez is anywhere near good enough to break it up though, even if he did have a few good games alongside Van Persie.

What games were they anyway? Were we/he much more prolific than usual?

The best Hernandez partnership I can remember was with your favourite player, Wayne Rooney. Towards the end of the season before last. Genuinely can't remember if/when he had a good run with RvP.
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Hernandez and RvP played really well together in a 4-0 away win vs. Wigan almost a year ago. I remember that game vividly for some reason. And around that time they played quite a few games together where they gelled fairly well and RvP kind of played as a no 10. It wasn't perfect, but I thought they played pretty well together.
 
johnmufc said:
Moyes has handled him extremely poorly, along with several other players, but I'm happy to see him leave in the summer. I think it would suit both player and club. Whenever he starts, he harms our play so much, his technique just isn't adequate. Compared with Rooney, Mata, van Persie, Kagawa, Welbeck, and Januzaj, Chicharito just seems so out of place.
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Nonsense. It's not his strong point, but his technique is adequate. He's just not been given a good opportunity.

I'm sure I could compile a 10 minute Youtube video proving your spunk doll Rooney has shit technique, based on various periods in his career.
 
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More evidence in his brief cameo today that Chicharito just isn't at the level a David Moyes footballer should be...
 
Can't remember if it's a regular thing as he hasn't played in ages but he likes going backwards a lot for a striker.
 
He'll hundred percent leave. Not good enough to be a regular here but too good to be a backup.
 
As usual, he bundles the ball in from close range, but he doesn't offer much in the build up play. He's so easily pushed aside. I find myself really hoping we don't pass him the ball until we are in the penalty area. He seems to bring our play backwards if he receives the ball too early.

I'd still hate to see him leave though.
 
He's not as good as Rooney and RVP and doesn't really offer as much as Welbeck. It's unfortunate for him really. If he wants to be a regular starter at a club I'd suggest he has to drop a level in terms of team really. He'd struggle to get in any real top teams consistently I think
 
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More evidence in his brief cameo today that Chicharito just isn't at the level a David Moyes footballer should be...
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Yea let's stick it in Moyes, because all RVP, Rooney and Welbeck haven't been better than him this season and on top of that we don't have Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj that can get the #10 role.

Get real.

Great goal from him as I've said in the matchday thread, shame he's leaving but it was bound to happen sooner or later. Great player, hope he does well somewhere (hopefully) in Spain or Italy.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
As usual, he bundles the ball in from close range, but he doesn't offer much in the build up play. He's so easily pushed aside. I find myself really hoping we don't pass him the ball until we are in the penalty area. He seems to bring our play backwards if he receives the ball too early.

I'd still hate to see him leave though.
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He linked up play really well when he came on.
 
Yeah. Looks like he is gone at the end of the season. A pity. I liked the fella.

@OnlyTwoDaSilvas I disagree with your post, man. I thought he was sharp and neat when he had the ball even before his goal.
 
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