Have I missed an own goal?
Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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Have I missed an own goal?
You've missed my tagline & location I think.
Well spotted. But you are talking to someone who was once asked the colour of her front door and who didn't have a clue.
Sorry, Duffer!
Yeah, the players should shut the feck up. This denial (real or fake) was to be expected by Chicha and there would be nothing to deny if he would say nothing. Our players should have their twitter accounts all closed.
So.. that tweet means he hates RvP then? MOYES' FAULT
Has he? Always worked his balls off every time he gets a rare chance and could easily open his mouth to the media any time he wished. He's been horribly mismanaged all season.
In what way has he been managed differently this season to last?
The only real difference is that he's started fewer games (although not by a big margin) but he's also played worse when he's had the opportunity.
Has he started twice in a row yet? He's also been thrown on for a few minutes at a time when a game is lost, he hasn't exactly had an opportunity to gain form and even when he's done well he's back on the bench next time. He's started less than half the games he did last season and would have to start every one between now and the end of the season to match last season. Very few players haven't been worse than they were last season.
That kind of sums up his United career to date.
With the addition of RvP the summer before last he's slipped even further down the pecking order. Not to mention Welbeck's goalscoring form when he got a run of games upfront this season.
All of our players have been poor but when you look at our strikers, Hernandez stands out as consistently the worst. So it's not surprising he's getting even fewer games than he did last season.
Stats here, to support my point.
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014...n-persie-is-uniteds-worst-performing-striker/
Those are just league stats where he's been granted a stunning total of four starts despite us missing Rooney and Van Persie for several games. He's started 10 games all season and scored 7 goals. His starts have also tended to come when we haven't had either of our best players alongside him. We all know are game is affected by not having one of Van Persie and Rooney available.
Same applies to Welbeck. His stats explain why he's generally getting the nod ahead of Hernandez as a striker this season. Hence, less games for Chicharito. Stats aside he's been really really poor at times. I know that nobody has been pulling up trees but his first touch at times against Sunderland would shame a pub footballer. He's even been missing easy chances. The one thing you could always say he'd never do, when compared to our other options.
Personally, I'm not sure starting RvP and Rooney together every time they're fit is the best idea but can see why it's happened in the context of so many results going against us. Plus there's the fact that when they were both out injured, Hernandez did very little to convince his manager that he should give him more gametime.
Both have the same goal scoring rate in starts this season. I'm not trying to claim Hernandez has been at his best this season. I'm saying the reason has been the way he has been managed. He's played 90 minutes in the league once all season. He was out on his feet in the Sunderland game as he's barely played football. It's poor management.
Players get the starts their performances deserve. He's slipped down the pecking order and playing less football as a result.
For me, poor management would have been giving him games ahead of some other striker in our squad who's played better when he's had the opportunity.
When he has played well he hasn't been given further opportunities. He has 6 goals in 6 starts in the cups and still only been handed 4 league starts of which he only finished 90 minutes once. It's indicative of a manager who has shown no faith in a proven Premier League goal scorer. It could explain why he's looked so rusty at times and why he could barely run toward the end of the Sunderland game. Mismanagement.
You think has been a season where the manager has had many opportunities to select a striker who was in demonstrably worse form than the alternatives to start a league game?
Fergie was the master of rotation but it was always easier to do when he had momentum and the results were going our way. Much harder to find a reason to give fringe players opportunities when we're in an uphill battle almost from day one.
Yeah, it's been almost impossible for him to rest either Moyes or RvP, such has been our form, so someone like Welbeck slots in that bit easier, as he is more versatile.
Has he?
It's beggar's belief now at this stage that Moyes hasn't banned the player's from social media.
Every player needs a run of games to get form, it was the excuse used to justify Rooney starting despite being woefully out of form. If we can't guarantee that, why keep him?
And played better when he did slot in.
The point is he's not given a chance even when he's done well. Welbeck has two goals more than Hernandez despite starting almost twice as many games. We've had countless injuries so there have been plenty of opportunities to give him chances. Even slightly more sub minutes to actually give him a chance would be nice. Whether he has played well or not isn't really backing up your point in even the slightest bit. I started by saying he's been mismanaged. A drop off in form gives more credence to that theory than yours being he's been managed no differently. Either way you're set in your opinion and you're set in yours. I don't think either of us have anything new to add. I'm pretty sure he'll be gone in the summer and we'll struggle to fill that void in the squad.
He hasn't needed to rest them. They've missed more than 20 games injured between them.
There are some players who are good enough and important enough that you give them games just to let them play themselves into form.
Hernandez isn't close to being in that category.
Thinking about it, the writing on the wall for Hernandez wasn't just the signing of Van Persie.
Adding Kagawa (and, more recently, Mata) to the squad, along with the emergence of Januzaj, has further marginalised him. The temptation will always be to play one of these players as a number 10 if the chance arises. Which was how we usually set up when one or other of our two main strikers has been injured this season.
Welbeck's always been more versatile and can get games out wide. He's also a better option as a lone striker. Now that he's also starting to become more prolific in front of goal it's hard to justify a place for Hernandez in the squad. Not with so many players champing at the bit to come in and play as a number 10. We've Nick Powell in the mix next season too, all things going to plan.
It's a bit of shame because I like Hernandez. Just don't think he's well rounded enough as a footballer to cut it at the highest level.
Adding Kagawa (and, more recently, Mata) to the squad, along with the emergence of Januzaj, has further marginalised him. The temptation will always be to play one of these players as a number 10 if the chance arises. Which was how we usually set up when one or other of our two main strikers has been injured this season.
Welbeck's always been more versatile and can get games out wide. He's also a better option as a lone striker. Now that he's also starting to become more prolific in front of goal it's hard to justify a place for Hernandez in the squad. Not with so many players champing at the bit to come in and play as a number 10. We've Nick Powell in the mix next season too, all things going to plan.
It's a bit of shame because I like Hernandez. Just don't think he's well rounded enough as a footballer to cut it at the highest level.
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ESPN ~ Hernandez swipe for Moyes
Fair do's to Chico. He knows he's being pushed out, may as well get his digs in now.
I'll never forget the goal after 36 seconds against Chelsea. The little man has had some really magic moments in a red shirt. Sad to know he's off.
Fair do's to Chico. He knows he's being pushed out, may as well get his digs in now.
I'll never forget the goal after 36 seconds against Chelsea. The little man has had some really magic moments in a red shirt. Sad to know he's off.
I'd like to hear the actual source if anyone has it. That's the kind of statement that often gets slightly mistranslated.
It's not that much of a dig, to be fair.
Does anybody like Moyes at the club other than 300k/week Rooney?
If we get a new manager, then maybe he can be convinced to stay. Van Persie leaving in the summer isn't impossible and he could be pushed up the ranks again.
I like Chich and it would be shit if he left, especially under a cloud created by Moyes.
I like Chich and it would be shit if he left, especially under a cloud created by Moyes.
I'm not quite sure where the dig is?
Oh look, another misquoting article. I know people are eager to turn on Moyes on every opportunity given, but misquoting Hernandez twice is a new low.
What he didn't say:
"I am very eager to play as my club don't take me much into account"
but rather:
"Obviously I've not been involved much in recent months."
Edited the initial quote.
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Yeah. Great. I feel much better now.
45 discrete minutes with the National Team today, not out for the second half.
Injury worry for Hernandez
http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-...r-Javier-Hernandez-has-worry-over-knee-injury
When it rains.
http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-...r-Javier-Hernandez-has-worry-over-knee-injury
When it rains.
Would be a massive shame to see him go but seems likely the way. He has been a great signing for us, always scores important goals.
I think the risk he presents is that he doesn't contribute massively to the overall game and he can have terrible games when he doesn't. Coming of the bench he always looks a threat, his movement and reading of the game is fantastic. It seems his composure has declined, he's missed quite a few one-on-ones this season but he's still a reliable finisher. It will be interesting to see how he does for another team where he's starting every game.
With the players we have, and the amount of 10's we have, it means we are likely to play with 1 striker and one of them behind. Hernandez clearly needs to play in a 4-4-2 which isn't going to happen unless Rooney/RvP are injured and even then you would expect Welbeck to start.
I think the risk he presents is that he doesn't contribute massively to the overall game and he can have terrible games when he doesn't. Coming of the bench he always looks a threat, his movement and reading of the game is fantastic. It seems his composure has declined, he's missed quite a few one-on-ones this season but he's still a reliable finisher. It will be interesting to see how he does for another team where he's starting every game.
With the players we have, and the amount of 10's we have, it means we are likely to play with 1 striker and one of them behind. Hernandez clearly needs to play in a 4-4-2 which isn't going to happen unless Rooney/RvP are injured and even then you would expect Welbeck to start.
When he comes of the bench, it's for like 5-10 mins. What are they expecting him to do in that time?
I actually thought him and RvP looked pretty good together up top for that period last year when they both started, but now that Wayne's bigger than the club there's no chance of that happening anymore. Instead we'll probably sell them both, sigh.
Eh? Does Rooney's status as "bigger than the club" means he won't ever get injured again?
If so, that's a benefit of this new contract I never even considered. Fantastic news.
Hah, I meant as a regular partnership, as you know well. I liked the look of it - it seemed they had a bit of a blossoming understanding. I'm pretty sure they set each other up for a few goals, which is more than Rooney and RvP have been doing recently!
Yes, there's a good chance we will see Chicharito stepping into the first team if one of RvP or Rooney gets injured, but I wanted to see RvP and Hernandez get a good run as the first choice.
Besides which, even if Rooney does get injured, we'll probably play Welbeck instead over Hernandez. Javier is fourth choice.
Well yeah, but that's got everything to do with Welbeck's progress and nothing to do with Rooney's status at the club.
Anyway, whatever you think about Welbeck, Hernandez has shown nothing to make any manager think they should pick him ahead of RvP or Rooney when they're both fit and available. That would be madness.
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