I love chicharito as a player but seeing as we have Rooney and RVP and Welbeck who is also improving we simply can't give him enough game time. I hope for his sake that he finds a good club, I really think he would shine in Italian or Spanish football at a club like Roma, Milan, Valencia, Atletico etc. Staying here won't do his career any good. If he plays a good world cup I think he can still fetch us €20m or so which will be welcome since we'll have alot to spend on this summer.
Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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Okay. If you think Hernandez is happy spending his prime years as 4th choice striker then good on you.
He looked miserable last season didn't he?
If you think Hernandez is happy spending his prime years as 4th choice striker then good on you.
Bar today I didn't see a difference this year to last. In fact I remember people saying last year that he would be looking to leave, 9 starts in 38 isn't enough for someone with his talent.
He would have needed to leave the club either way.
Just sell him abroad. Would hate to see him at another EPL club. He'd be lethal at Arsenal or Chelsea.
Agreed.
We should never have signed RVP. Both him and Welbeck haven't developed at the pace they would have had because of that.
Give him the service, and he'll score. Simple as that.
He's been very unfairly criticised. He may not be a complete player, but he's a goal-scorer, and God knows, we've needed that. He's been misused this season, being expected to work miracles on his own up front, and/or with no support from midfield.
In his first season, when United were a whole lot better than they are now, how come Chico managed to score so many goals if he's not good enough to be a United player?
Why would we sell someone who is capable of being lethal?
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He's been very unfairly criticised. He may not be a complete player, but he's a goal-scorer, and God knows, we've needed that. He's been misused this season, being expected to work miracles on his own up front, and/or with no support from midfield.
In his first season, when United were a whole lot better than they are now, how come Chico managed to score so many goals if he's not good enough to be a United player?
Why would we sell someone who is capable of being lethal?
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I love Chicha, and I think he is a terrific poacher. If he leaves, I hope he stays in England (Arsenal or Chelsea) just to prove that he is good enough to play in EPL for a top club. Under certain style of play Chicha would be clinical.
Even if 3rd choice I think he would still be off, he needs to be playing week in and week out at this stage in his career. Good luck to him, I hope he goes somewhere he can prosper.
Personally I wouldn't like that, would be wiser if we do sell him to try abroad and maybe in Part Exchange. Sad really but the writing is probably on the wall
It was strange not seeing that big grin when he scored. It'll be a shame to see him go but it was on the cards regardless of who came in as manager.
Those two would never have the same effect as RvP did on our title-winning season. They're good strikers; he is a world class striker. I will take his signing for 3 years prime over waiting for them to get game after game any day, they're still both very young and have years ahead of them to enjoy.
1. He's displayed in the past that he can start for United.
2. Welbeck in no way offers much more than Hernandez in any way. Welbeck is massively overrated on here.
3. Ask Chelsea or Arsenal fans if they want Hernandez. He would do well for clubs on the continent as well... Bar a few.
4. Bayern rates Mandzukic so much they're poaching Lewandowski
I'm still not really convinced he's all that. Always been a good poacher and makes fantastic runs off the ball but looks seriously out of his depth as a footballer at times. He definitely tries to get involved in the build up play much more than he used to, but I feel that's of detriment to his actual contribution, as he functions best on the shoulder.
Personally I think he'd be poor for Arsenal. The striker role there requires a real all rounder - someone to bring midfielders into play, hold the ball up, compete in the air and obviously score goals. Van Persie was perfect for them. Chico is quite the opposite, he's a one dimensional poacher who can be absolutely devastating in certain systems but a bit useless in others.
If we sign a top creative midfielder who can pick a long pass we could get a lot of joy from him. Likewise a winger who can beat his man and actually cross. But it looks like he might be off either way. He's a top man and has performed some heroics for us but he's been poor under Moyes and personally I wouldn't be too gutted if he moved on and we shifted more permanently to a system where we rarely used two up top. He'll have a great career somewhere.
Personally I think he'd be poor for Arsenal. The striker role there requires a real all rounder - someone to bring midfielders into play, hold the ball up, compete in the air and obviously score goals. Van Persie was perfect for them. Chico is quite the opposite, he's a one dimensional poacher who can be absolutely devastating in certain systems but a bit useless in others.
If we sign a top creative midfielder who can pick a long pass we could get a lot of joy from him. Likewise a winger who can beat his man and actually cross. But it looks like he might be off either way. He's a top man and has performed some heroics for us but he's been poor under Moyes and personally I wouldn't be too gutted if he moved on and we shifted more permanently to a system where we rarely used two up top. He'll have a great career somewhere.
I like him but he has absolutely no first touch. Never a starter for United. The very reason United United lost the title to City by 1 goal was because him and Welbeck didnt step up that season. Thats why we signed RVP. And he always has to fold himself into some weird shape to score.
Welbeck is a significantly better all round striker than Chico in terms of his overall skill set.
And the Mandzukic comment is a bit silly really. Bayern improved hugely once they replaced Gomez - one of the best poachers in world football but limited in footballing terms, with Mandzukic, who was much more of an all rounder and a hugely under rated player in general. Why did they sign Lewandowski? Because he's one of the best strikers in world football and is desperate to move to the club. They'll both get plenty of football next season IMO.
Welbeck was preferred to Hernandez through out the 11/12 season, his link-up play with Rooney is superior than Hernandez. Would be interesting a comparison of the Welbeck/Rooney partnership and Hernandez/Rooney partnership in terms of goals to starts by each player.
To be honest, I can see why Hernandez would be pissed off. Even last season, obviously RVP and Rooney were the preferred pairing, you could tell that SAF had an eye on Hernandez and started him in games where he typically excelled (e.g. Chelsea in the cups) or altered our formation to fit him in (e.g. the diamond). It's easier to cope with not being in the team when RVP is blazing, the team is winning and the manager knows your values and strengths and obviously trusts you.
In contrast, the team isn't doing well under Moyes, Hernandez can't even get a look in - even with RVP being injured the last couple of games. It seems that he's only ever in Moyes' plan when we're losing or completely cruising.
Chicha was never first XI quality for us. Some people are getting sentimental here.
Were you saying that 37 seconds into our game against Chelsea on the 8th May 2011?
Anyone saying that he offers more than Welbeck has rocks in their head.
The guy is lethal in the box, no doubt but he is nothing more than a super sub. I love him but that's all he can offer this current United squad. It would be ideal if he was happy with that but he has clearly decided to leave the club and you can't blame a player for wanting to play more.
The guy is lethal in the box, no doubt but he is nothing more than a super sub. I love him but that's all he can offer this current United squad. It would be ideal if he was happy with that but he has clearly decided to leave the club and you can't blame a player for wanting to play more.
This current dismissal of goals is hilarious.
Maybe he was thinking 20 days later in the CL final, when starting Hernandez up front, United were effectively playing with 10 men.
Right. Because so many strikers excelled against that 2011 Barcelona side. We'd have done so much better with someone else up front after all we were the only side they dominated that season...
...oh wait...
Welbeck and Rooney are a far more prolific partnership. The stats will back that up easily.
Hernandez looked like he had a lump in his throat and was about to cry when he scored
Ahhh, sad that.
Ahhh, sad that.
He's been touted around Europe by United and he knows it. He's gotta be feeling pretty sore about being driven out without actually doing all that badly.
Quite possibly, but you can see why. He has scored some big goals for the team and pretty much been the model pro and antithesis of the perception of the modern footballer.
This. As a central striker I don't think that it should be even for debate which one of them is better.
I don't want him to go 
I think he really likes it here too
1) And Ferguson was that convinced he went and bought Robin Van Persie.
2) Welbeck is inherently the more talented footballer, offering more to our all round game and has proven so on many an occasion. Irrefutable fact. I don't think there's a manager in European football that would opt for Hernandez over Welbeck.
3) Chelsea and Arsenal need and want better strikers than Hernandez. Shall be proven in the Summer. No elite team with aspirations of winning the Champions League will play him as their out and out main striker every week. Wait and see, he's a tier two player.
4) Shit point. Just because Bayern are looking to improve on Mandzukic doesn't negate the principle of my point. Lewandowski is better, hence they're getting him. That doesn't mean to say that Mandzukic's presence hasn't improved Bayern as a whole.
What good is a footballer that struggles to control a rolling ball?
Moyes should write a book on how to successfully alienate players. I sometimes feel Moyes lets reputation of players dictate his selection more than it should. Hernandez is one hell of a Plan B player and it shouldn't take much effort to make him feel involved. It's important we retain players like him in the squad to maintain that variety and ability to mix it up.
Would be quite surprised if the stats did back that up.
People seem to forget Hernandez had such a good spell that he kept £30m Berbatov out.
Having said that, definitely seems the time for him to go now. He can't stay as 4th choice, getting the occasional run out. Especially when there's every chance we'll miss out on the Europa. Though I have a feeling we'll get in, as Tottenham are such bottle acts
It's unfair to use Welbeck's stats for the past two seasons because he's been mainly a winger not a striker so I'll just look at the two years both have partnered Rooney up front.
2010/11
Rooney: 11 league goals, 16 overall
Hernandez: 13 league goals, 20 overall
2011/12
Rooney: 27 league goals, 34 overall
Welbeck: 9 league goals, 12 overall
Hernandez:10 league goals, 12 overall
So I suppose at least Rooney gets more prolific and scores far more than both of them. You'd have to take in Berbatov in 2010/11 and his 20 league goals/21 overall as well though to get an idea of competition and such.
Actually remarkable that the difference of three strikers over a year is 1 goal overall.
Hernandez is underrated here by some. He's not a naturally gifted all-round footballer but there were signs he was improving on this when he was playing more regularly a couple of seasons back. We opted against packing the midfield against Barcelona at Wembley because we felt he was too dangerous to leave out.
I don't think anyone at the end of that season felt we needed to strengthen in attack but a truly exceptional player became available at a cut price. It's a shame because he is very popular here and rightly so but that's football.
I don't think anyone at the end of that season felt we needed to strengthen in attack but a truly exceptional player became available at a cut price. It's a shame because he is very popular here and rightly so but that's football.
There are some people who just accept everything the manager does/says as being gospel.
Do you remember Ole's first season, then he became virtually superfluous because of Cole and Yorke? Because he was only ever a sub, some people decided that it must be because he was only any good as a sub. There were comments that he wasn't United class etc. Very similar to what's been said about Chico. Then he proved to be a revelation both on the right wing and as a strike partner for Ruud, and suddenly he was United class after all. Fact is, he always was, but the manager couldn't play him at the expense of Cole and Yorke - fact is, Ole was always good enough.
When Veron came to the club, most people could see it just wasn't working, but the sheep stuck up for him. If he was being played, he must be great. Then he got sold, and suddenly he wasn't United class.
No-one said Chico wasn't good enough in his first season here. But because he's been overlooked, it's because he's not good enough?
It's all rubbish. He's plenty good enough. If the likes of Valencia and Ashley Young, and to some extent Danny Welbeck can get regular games, why not Hernandez? Play to his strengths and he'll score goals - don't judge him on the fact he's been thrown in, often to rescue a situation, or playing up front on his own, with the ball lobbed over his head instead of to his feet, and literally no crosses of the standard Januzaj supplied yesterday.
Chabon did out stats based on Rooney and Welbeck playing upfront together. Not sure what thread it was though. I do remember Rooneys numbers in particular were v impressive.
This.
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