Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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Pogue Mahone said:
All very well saying Welbeck misses easy chances but Hernandez has looked a long way short of lethal in front of goal these last couple of seasons.

That left-footed effort when clean through against Sunderland was really disappointing, he came bloody close to missing the goal he did score and these are a couple of the worst misses you'll ever see (both from this season).





I defy anyone to find an example of Welbeck making an arse of a chance as blatant as either of those two, for club or country.
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Those misses will be on those cheap end of season 'funny moments in football' dvds . Whatever Welbeck's short comings I've never associated him as a player who constantly misses easy chances/sitters as some of his detractors try to portray. It appears some 'easy chances' are easier then others if you are Welbeck, despite scoring 6 goals in 9 games I think.
Saying that, this 'easy chance' Welbeck missed nearly 2 years ago against West Brom at home, might just make the compilation.
 
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"The time to speak about so many things will come..."

I wonder what it will be about.
 
He's not looked his normal bubbly self for months now. I think it was vs Liverpool in the League Cup when he scored but looked pissed off. It'll be interesting to hear what he has to say.
 
Only scored two league goals all season, the second one being a consolation at Chelsea. He's not exactly someone that fills me with confidence when he comes off the bench nowadays.
 
my 0.5cents is that he told moyes either to give him more first team football or else to let him move on. Both options are non starters as rvp and Rooney are better players but at the same time both of them need a goodbackup - Hernandez that is
 
Revan said:
I think that he would certainly start on Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, BVB (with the sell of Lewandovski) and possibly also for Arsenal and Real Madrid.

He is a very good player and I imagine he would score 30+ goals for season if he plays for a team that creates chances (he manged to score 20 goals in 2 seasons for us despite being in a part time role). However, when the team doesn't create muc, then he is useless.

If it is between him and Welbeck I would choose him every time, but I don't think thta the club thinks the same, so likely the best thing for all is if we sell him in the summer.
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No chance he starts for us, or any of those other teams too. Not that I think he's a better player than Hernandez, but Bendtner would start ahead of him in our set-up.
 
dev1l said:
my 0.5cents is that he told moyes either to give him more first team football or else to let him move on. Both options are non starters as rvp and Rooney are better players but at the same time both of them need a goodbackup - Hernandez that is
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We have got Welbeck as a back up and there's nothing stopping us from buying a replacement. Hernandez might not be the best striker at United but he's still a decent player and doesn't deserves to spend the majority of the season on the bench, he should be sold if were going use him as a back up player.
 
He'l be gone in the summer. I've said it for a while. He'l also be a 25 goals a season striker at the right club.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Maybe he'll say me, Anderson and Rio are a bunch of fecking bellends who've thrown our toys out the pram because Fergie isn't here to wipe our arses anymore? Probably not though.
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Varun_Utd said:
He'l be gone in the summer. I've said it for a while. He'l also be a 25 goals a season striker at the right club.
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It depends what he deems the "right club" though because I'd be very surprised if he'd be a regular starter at any top club in Europe, he's simply not good enough to do so in my opinion. The only 1 I can think of is Chelsea at the minute but I'd imagine they will get someone much better than Hernandez in by the end of the season.

This social media stuff from players is pathetic. They're right to be annoyed but at the end of the day the club is paying them a very healthy salary and giving them a very good living, they need to have a bit more respect and keep their mouth shut. Rio is probably the worst of the lot as he is meant to be the most mature but sulking and making sly digs is just a bit weird.
 
Wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Athletico Madrid in the summer as a replacement for Costa. It will be a shame if he leaves, but he isn't going to be getting first team football with us for as long as he is here.
 
Oggmonster said:
It depends what he deems the "right club" though because I'd be very surprised if he'd be a regular starter at any top club in Europe, he's simply not good enough to do so in my opinion. The only 1 I can think of is Chelsea at the minute but I'd imagine they will get someone much better than Hernandez in by the end of the season.

This social media stuff from players is pathetic. They're right to be annoyed but at the end of the day the club is paying them a very healthy salary and giving them a very good living, they need to have a bit more respect and keep their mouth shut. Rio is probably the worst of the lot as he is meant to be the most mature but sulking and making sly digs is just a bit weird.
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Depends more on the style of the club rather than the stature. For instance, he wouldnt do very well at Arsenal but would be very good for Chelsea. If the club needs a physical striker upfront, he wont be be the man for it.
 
Mexican National Team manager just said Chicharito revealed to him he is frustrated because "the new manager doesn't give him much time on the pitch", but that he is motivated to go to the WC with Mexico.
 
Moyes needs to clear out some of these players, for the good of himself and the team. These public outbursts and sulking are just making things harder. Look at Kagawa, he's not been his best but has been miles better than Hernandez when called upon, yet he can still act with a bit of class and approach it with the right attitude.
 
pocco said:
Moyes needs to clear out some of these players, for the good of himself and the team. These public outbursts and sulking are just making things harder. Look at Kagawa, he's not been his best but has been miles better than Hernandez when called upon, yet he can still act with a bit of class and approach it with the right attitude.
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So let's make a list from players that need to go because they don't rate Moyes or Moyes doesn't rate them or other reasons.

-Chicharito
-Evra
-Vidic
-Ferdinand
-Kagawa
-Rafael (according to multiple reports Moyes wants to upgrade on him)
-RvP (he wanted to win trophies and his time is running out)
-Anderson
-Rooney (how he can we persuade him to stay if we don't even have top4?)
-Nani

and leaves us with DDG,Smalling,Jones,Evans,Valencia,Young,Mata,Fellaini,Carrick,Fletcher,Cleverley,Welbeck, Zaha, Januzaj. That's mostly deadwood in there or players that won't help us to get back to being a force again. Just because Moyes has this unique situation he shouldn't think he can simply sell anyone that's against him or his methods. He needs to find a way to improve on our tactics and use certain players better. I'm not saying the players aren't to blame either, but if even Chicharito, who was a textbook professional until this season comes up with things like that, not the lose cannon Ferdinand, you know that there is a problem between the manager and the players.
 
Oggmonster said:
It depends what he deems the "right club" though because I'd be very surprised if he'd be a regular starter at any top club in Europe, he's simply not good enough to do so in my opinion. The only 1 I can think of is Chelsea at the minute but I'd imagine they will get someone much better than Hernandez in by the end of the season.

This social media stuff from players is pathetic. They're right to be annoyed but at the end of the day the club is paying them a very healthy salary and giving them a very good living, they need to have a bit more respect and keep their mouth shut. Rio is probably the worst of the lot as he is meant to be the most mature but sulking and making sly digs is just a bit weird.
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He started for us in a season that saw us win the Premier League and reach the Champions League final ffs. Of course he would start for a lot of top clubs in Europe. Bench any elite striker and watch their performances dip.
 
pocco said:
Moyes needs to clear out some of these players, for the good of himself and the team. These public outbursts and sulking are just making things harder. Look at Kagawa, he's not been his best but has been miles better than Hernandez when called upon, yet he can still act with a bit of class and approach it with the right attitude.
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Christ! You got to be kidding me. How can you possibly expect a player to not say anything when he hasnt been given a consistent run of games in the first team? He hasnt been starting as much as he would have liked this season but at the least couple of seasons he got a lot of chances under Fergie and as a result he scored around 15-20 goals. A bit of class? Do you just expect him to be on the bench for the rest of his career and not sulk? He is the kind of player who can score 25 goals a season if he goes to a team like Athletico. He might go there this summer because it is looking increasingly likely Diego Costa is going to leave.

Also Kagawa hasnt said anything in the media about not getting his chances? Really? Do you not remember earlier in the season when he said his Japan form is being affected because he is not playing regularly for us?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...g-due-to-lack-of-chances-at-Old-Trafford.html
 
I think that Moyes has handled him poorly. He is a cracking player coming off the bench but he needs more minutes to keep himself sharp. Sir Alex knew how to get the best out of him whilst keeping him happy with a limited role. Good man management.

The really odd thing is that this guy is the only striker that we have who really thrives off crossed balls.
 
adexkola said:
He started for us in a season that saw us win the Premier League and reach the Champions League final ffs. Of course he would start for a lot of top clubs in Europe. Bench any elite striker and watch their performances dip.
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He didn't though really. He started less than half the games the season I assume you're talking about. He still had a very good season but it's not like he played all 38 games. I'm not suggesting he'd never start either but I struggle to think of a team in Europe who you'd class as similar quality to Man Utd (before this season anyway...) who he'd start for. He either doesn't fit their system or they've got better players. He'd probably get in Chelsea's team most weeks at the moment but I'd imagine in the summer they'll sign someone much better than Hernandez.

I don't dislike him as a player, I think he's a good option to have in terms of rotation as he does get goals but if he wants to play week in week out I'd argue he won't be doing that at the elite clubs in Europe, he doesn't have enough for his game. I'm not even suggesting he wouldn't score, he probably would score quite a few for us it's just unfortunately for him there's better players there.
 
RDCR07 said:
Christ! You got to be kidding me. How can you possibly expect a player to not say anything when he hasnt been given a consistent run of games in the first team? He hasnt been starting as much as he would have liked this season but at the least couple of seasons he got a lot of chances under Fergie and as a result he scored around 15-20 goals. A bit of class? Do you just expect him to be on the bench for the rest of his career and not sulk? He is the kind of player who can score 25 goals a season if he goes to a team like Athletico. He might go there this summer because it is looking increasingly likely Diego Costa is going to leave.

Also Kagawa hasnt said anything in the media about not getting his chances? Really? Do you not remember earlier in the season when he said his Japan form is being affected because he is not playing regularly for us?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...g-due-to-lack-of-chances-at-Old-Trafford.html
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Honestly we need more players speaking out. This reminds me of when Agger was criticising Hodgson at Liverpool, in the end who was right? The inescapable conclusion of how Moyes has mismanaged the squad is that he's simply not up to keeping such a large group of players happy and motivated. Sir Alex did it for years, making even fringe players feel their contributions were worth the world but Moyes has from day one frozen out people he later found himself needing.
 
RDCR07 said:
Christ! You got to be kidding me. How can you possibly expect a player to not say anything when he hasnt been given a consistent run of games in the first team? He hasnt been starting as much as he would have liked this season but at the least couple of seasons he got a lot of chances under Fergie and as a result he scored around 15-20 goals. A bit of class? Do you just expect him to be on the bench for the rest of his career and not sulk? He is the kind of player who can score 25 goals a season if he goes to a team like Athletico. He might go there this summer because it is looking increasingly likely Diego Costa is going to leave.

Also Kagawa hasnt said anything in the media about not getting his chances? Really? Do you not remember earlier in the season when he said his Japan form is being affected because he is not playing regularly for us?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...g-due-to-lack-of-chances-at-Old-Trafford.html
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That quote was misinterpreted. Not what he said.
 
Oggmonster said:
He didn't though really. He started less than half the games the season I assume you're talking about. He still had a very good season but it's not like he played all 38 games. I'm not suggesting he'd never start either but I struggle to think of a team in Europe who you'd class as similar quality to Man Utd (before this season anyway...) who he'd start for. He either doesn't fit their system or they've got better players. He'd probably get in Chelsea's team most weeks at the moment but I'd imagine in the summer they'll sign someone much better than Hernandez.

I don't dislike him as a player, I think he's a good option to have in terms of rotation as he does get goals but if he wants to play week in week out I'd argue he won't be doing that at the elite clubs in Europe, he doesn't have enough for his game. I'm not even suggesting he wouldn't score, he probably would score quite a few for us it's just unfortunately for him there's better players there.
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He had 20 goals in 45 appearances in his first start at the club, 27 of those appearances came in the league. He didn't start some of those games but he had significant game time.

Barcelona don't play with a classic striker. His attributes would see him start for Madrid (Benzema has flattered to deceive IMO), or Atletico if Costa left. Ditto any other club in La Liga. He would start for Juventus in place of Llorente. I think he and Higuain have similar skill levels, so let's say he wouldn't start for Napoli. He would walk into any other side in Serie A. He wouldn't start for Bayern or Dortmund, but he would start for other clubs in Bundesliga. Back to the Premier League Chelsea would thrive with him in their side today. Arsenal don't have pace in their lineup, he would provide that. He would start for Everton.

There aren't many clubs where he wouldn't be able to force himself into the starting 11.
 
pocco said:
Moyes needs to clear out some of these players, for the good of himself and the team. These public outbursts and sulking are just making things harder. Look at Kagawa, he's not been his best but has been miles better than Hernandez when called upon, yet he can still act with a bit of class and approach it with the right attitude.
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Wayne Rooney spent the summer sulking and demanding a transfer. Moyes responded by playing him all the time in his favourite position. What a fine example that set for the rest of the team. I'm not surprised the other forwards are less than content.
 
kundalini said:
Wayne Rooney spent the summer sulking and demanding a transfer. Moyes responded by playing him all the time in his favourite position. What a fine example that set for the rest of the team. I'm not surprised the other forwards are less than content.
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A fair point.
 
adexkola said:
He had 20 goals in 45 appearances in his first start at the club, 27 of those appearances came in the league. He didn't start some of those games but he had significant game time.

Barcelona don't play with a classic striker. His attributes would see him start for Madrid (Benzema has flattered to deceive IMO), or Atletico if Costa left. Ditto any other club in La Liga. He would start for Juventus in place of Llorente. I think he and Higuain have similar skill levels, so let's say he wouldn't start for Napoli. He would walk into any other side in Serie A. He wouldn't start for Bayern or Dortmund, but he would start for other clubs in Bundesliga. Back to the Premier League Chelsea would thrive with him in their side today. Arsenal don't have pace in their lineup, he would provide that. He would start for Everton.

There aren't many clubs where he wouldn't be able to force himself into the starting 11.
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that's my point though. It's a drop in class. He probably would start in most Serie A teams but then they're not Man Utd. It is a drop in standard as things stand. If we stayed where we are for the next 5-10 years then that's fine but until then I don't think teams like Udinese or someone are more attractive than Man Utd. He'd start at Hull every week but I doubt he'd go there.

You'd argue the only clubs more attractive than United on a global scale would be City and Chelsea in terms of money, Bayern, Madrid and Barca in terms of the "image" of playing for the club and maybe you could chuck in teams like Juventus or Atletico Madrid with it being a better lifestyle in terms of climate.

I really couldn't see him playing much more for any of them than he does for us. They either don't accommodate him or have better options. It's all opinions really but I'd still imagine if he went to a big club he wouldn't be playing every week like people seem to think.
 
I kind of think Hernandez is getting a bit ahead of himself. He came from nowhere as he himself has admitted - he was practically goin to quit the sport. Has been a great surprise, but let's be honest - he's hardly been United quality this season. And he hasn't been doing it for Mexico either - if you think he's been bad for us you should have watched the World Cup qualifiers. He as absolutely useless, a shadow of the player from a few years ago.

Hate to say it, but along with decent (but not great) finishing, his greatest asset was acceleration and pace. To me, he looks like he's lost a bit. And that might have been his only trick.

It'd be different if he was lighting it up and looking class every time he came on, but he's had a lot of minutes this season, and isn't in a position to be demanding much based on those.
 
Moyes has actually managed to piss off Javier Hernandez. The most cheerful footballer on earth.

On a serious note, we've all accepted he wouldn't stay forever. Deserves to be starting, but not ahead of Robin Van Persie or Wayne Rooney. I'd be happy to make him one of the league's best paid backups, but his ambition almost certainly outstrips that. Cheers for everything Javier.
 
Beachryan said:
I kind of think Hernandez is getting a bit ahead of himself. He came from nowhere as he himself has admitted - he was practically goin to quit the sport. Has been a great surprise, but let's be honest - he's hardly been United quality this season. And he hasn't been doing it for Mexico either - if you think he's been bad for us you should have watched the World Cup qualifiers. He as absolutely useless, a shadow of the player from a few years ago.

Hate to say it, but along with decent (but not great) finishing, his greatest asset was acceleration and pace. To me, he looks like he's lost a bit. And that might have been his only trick.

It'd be different if he was lighting it up and looking class every time he came on, but he's had a lot of minutes this season, and isn't in a position to be demanding much based on those.
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That was years before we signed him. By the time he played the first game for us, he already had 2 goals in World Cup. Let's not act that we have saved his career.

He hasn't been good this season, but that is something that has happened to (almost) all the players. However he has still managed to score 7 goals on a very limited time.
 
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