Chicha seems to be a nice guy.
Aye....And Fergie is the most charming man I met!
(On a side note, you Irish? Claire Byrne just popped up on RTE....Blimey I want her!!!)
Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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Aye....And Fergie is the most charming man I met!
(On a side note, you Irish? Claire Byrne just popped up on RTE....Blimey I want her!!!)
Nope, not Irish. Who is Claire Byrne?
Google her....37 year old hot Irish tv presenter
I wonder if God gets a cut from all these transfer deals he crops up in.
Mexico don't play with pace yet look at how he does for them. Truth is no player with his off the ball movement can struggle. Be it slow of fast paced football, that movement is just too killer.
I didn't say he'll struggle. He won't unless he goes to one of the top clubs. If by struggle we mean not be first choice.
He should do well everywhere. Natural goalscorers get you goals in any environment. But I feel he's slightly more suited to the PL.
I expect him to be first choice any where in Spain except at Barca and both Madrid's. The way he moves is key. He may not be great on the ball, but off it, coupled with his finishing makes him the type of player most managers wouldn't bench.
Except Moyes...
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I know but I don't trust an agent and Di Marzio is simply the most reliable journalist out there. The biggest storys over the last year, he broke most of them.
Let's suppose that our formation does move towards 4231, as Moyes has previously suggested. Can you still see a reason to keep hold of both Chicarito and Welbeck?
RVP will lead the line as long as he is fit. Rooney will be sat behind him or leading the line, and shoud they go belly up, then one of the two above to fill in. I think we have talent in reserves to cover the worst injury case scenario if we let one of them go, and as we've seen this season, both Chicarito and Welbeck have fluffed thier lines when asked to fill in, so to suggest a younger player couldn't do worse wouldn't be unreasonable.
I would wager that Chicarito is going to be sold in the summer, unfortunately.
RVP will lead the line as long as he is fit. Rooney will be sat behind him or leading the line, and shoud they go belly up, then one of the two above to fill in. I think we have talent in reserves to cover the worst injury case scenario if we let one of them go, and as we've seen this season, both Chicarito and Welbeck have fluffed thier lines when asked to fill in, so to suggest a younger player couldn't do worse wouldn't be unreasonable.
I would wager that Chicarito is going to be sold in the summer, unfortunately.
I'd like to see Chico given a chance with better players around him. His opportunities so far have generally been without them, and he's been expected to work miracles by himself.
He's an odd little player. When he's knocking in goals his first touch can look fantastic. This season though his touch has been diabolical. Would struggle to think of ever watching another player at United with as heavy a first touch as we saw from Hernandez against Sunderland.
Probably just yet another player who's lost his mojo along with his confidence. Hope he finds it again. Brilliant player to have on the bench.
Probably just yet another player who's lost his mojo along with his confidence. Hope he finds it again. Brilliant player to have on the bench.
Who would you play him instead of? He's up against Rooney and RvP, both vastly superior players.
Who would you drop exactly? Another pointless Moyes bashing post.
Bang for buck, a great player. To get a guy like him for 4 years and be content with a spot on the bench has been amazing. Name a player who can add as much as Chicha can off the bench, for a decent fee and very little hassle. Hope he stays with us.
It's pretty simple when it comes to Hernandez for me: if he's willing to accept a role coming off the bench when we need a goal then keep him. If not, then try and get £15m or so for him.
He's not good enough to be a regular starter for a top team, but is a great option to have in the squad.
He's not good enough to be a regular starter for a top team, but is a great option to have in the squad.
CF for Dortmund? He's totally different to Lewa. Wont work.
Yeah. For all we love him, I don't see him starting for another top side. He's in that level below. His worth much more with us than he is in terms of sale value.
The only way I'd keep Hernandez is when Rooney doesn't want to stay and doesn't sign a new contract, as soon as he puts his signature under a new five year deal Hernandez is a goner for me.
RVP and Welbeck will be here for the forseeable future, with Rooney also here, we don't have a use for Hernandez. beter to sell him for £15 to £20m to a team that really needs a striker. I guess there will be alot of interested sides this summer, definiteley if he has a productive WC.
I think that he would certainly start on Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, BVB (with the sell of Lewandovski) and possibly also for Arsenal and Real Madrid.
He is a very good player and I imagine he would score 30+ goals for season if he plays for a team that creates chances (he manged to score 20 goals in 2 seasons for us despite being in a part time role). However, when the team doesn't create muc, then he is useless.
If it is between him and Welbeck I would choose him every time, but I don't think thta the club thinks the same, so likely the best thing for all is if we sell him in the summer.
Not a snowball's chance in hell of him starting for those teams you just listed.
I really think that ItsEssexRob was right that redcafe reall underrates him. He is a player who usually scores one goal in two games (and usually every second game is coming as a sub). His goal for minutes ratio last season for example was the best in the league.
In Chelsea he would surely start. In Atletico I think he would start instead of Villa and BVB without Lewa don't have a good striker. I really think that he would have a decent shoot to get Benzema's place there. I guess we'll see what happens. If Madrid can't get Suarez, I think they'll go for him.
They've both been injured for several games though, so that argument - though valid - doesn't stand. He could have been used more in recent weeks.
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The statement was clearly talking about him generally as a footballer rather than over the last few weeks. But if that's the argument then why would he play? He's mostly been shit when he's had chances. So if we discount that as well, aren't we going down the road of Valencia, where he was playing despite poor form. That didn't go down too well with the Caf either. So, apart from a chance to dig out Moyes, what do people want?
Wasn't really bashing him though was I
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Wait, we can't post anything that puts Moyes in anything other than a good light? Is that what it is now? It wasn't a dig at Moyes, I just agreed that at other clubs under other managers he would have started more, I personally would have liked to have seen more of him. Saying he's been shit just because he doesn't bang them in everytime he (sporadically) comes of the bench is a bit weird too... was RVP shit when he went through the lean spell last season?
No, you can say what you like. As can I in disagreeing with you. I just find it interesting that you chose to pick out Moyes when just as obvious an example was Fergie. He left him out as often as not.
And for what it's worth, I don't think he'd been shit because he's not been banging them in every game - though I think he offers little else, so it's not that weak an argument - but because I think he has been shit. His overall play, his touch, holding up the ball etc. has all been poor. Which isn't to say he's a poor player, just that because he's limited in a way that RvP isn't, you don't get an awful lot from him when he's in poor form.
I don't think he's been consistently any worse than anyone else, but the difference is, that unlike some of them, he hasn't been given a run of games to assess him accurately.
Currently, most of the team seem to be lacking in confidence, motivation, or whatever, so it's becoming increasingly hard to judge them anyway.
One can't blame Fergie and now Moyes for not starting Hernandez over RvP and Rooney, but it's virtually criminal that Welbeck has gotten more chances than Hernandez.
Javier is by no means a complete footballer (although he's a better passer than he's given credit for here) but he's a fantastic finisher of half-decent chances. Welbeck, at least to date, is not.
Javier is by no means a complete footballer (although he's a better passer than he's given credit for here) but he's a fantastic finisher of half-decent chances. Welbeck, at least to date, is not.
Danny is better at falling over though
Perhaps, but when Welbeck got the chance he has taken it. 6 in 6 was a good reply for a striker.
I think when Hernandez has started games he has not really taken those chances. The miss against Sunderland will unfortunately stick over his head as it was a chance to win the game.
Hernandez is similar to Michael Owen, in the sense that if he doesn't score,it s like your e playing with 10 men. Welbeck gives more to the team and due to his allround abilities,is suited more to the modern game. Imo welbeck for some time was so overhyped that ppl are now expecting too much of him, more or less like cleverley
Has he, Danny, actually taken his chances well this season or even last season? It seems to me he constantly misses good chances, but if the data back you up then I stand corrected.
I'm not saying his chance conversation rate is fantastic or anything, but when we were without RVP and Rooney he stood up and scored the goals. That's what I meant by taking his chance.
Even when he was on that streak he was missing easy chances. On a top 4 team, those chances can be huge in big games. He's just not a starter. Maybe a squad player at best.
Hernandez would be a perfect supersub but Moyes handling of him has been fairly horrific.
All very well saying Welbeck misses easy chances but Hernandez has looked a long way short of lethal in front of goal these last couple of seasons.
That left-footed effort when clean through against Sunderland was really disappointing, he came bloody close to missing the goal he did score and these are a couple of the worst misses you'll ever see (both from this season).
I defy anyone to find an example of Welbeck making an arse of a chance as blatant as either of those two, for club or country.
That left-footed effort when clean through against Sunderland was really disappointing, he came bloody close to missing the goal he did score and these are a couple of the worst misses you'll ever see (both from this season).
I defy anyone to find an example of Welbeck making an arse of a chance as blatant as either of those two, for club or country.
He's perfectly capable of starting games, he's just in poor form.
In form there's no reason why he couldn't be an effective starter for us.
I think he suffers from trying too hard sometimes - he always gives his all, but is possibly not the best when low on confidence. After his first season, he's been overlooked a fair bit, and I would bet that's affected his performances.
Might not be quite blatant as Chich's but it does show Welbeck's ability to make a complete balls out of an open net.
None of them are as bad as the Hernandez misses, to be fair.
I'm not saying Danny doesn't get brainfarts in front of goal, by the way. Just think it's unfair that he's potrayed as completely hapless in the box while Hernandez is the new OGS.
Looked that way for Chicho in his debut season but so far this season Welbeck has looked the more likely goal-scorer when he's had his chances. Bearing in mind how the rest of his game is so far ahead of Hernandez I don't buy the idea that the latter has been hard done by. Welbeck's stepped up this season, Hernandez has done the opposite, if anything.
I don't see the constant need to debate who is better, we are lucky to have two excellent backups that both offer something different. As I've said before, many people have insisted we should play Rooney even when his form is dire and playing like a spastic in a magnet factory so he can get his form back but expect chich to just magically get form without a run of games, it's a totally unfair double standard.
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