The currant bun today saying he wants to leave.
Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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What do people think of possibly loaning him out to another prem club next season like Chelsea have done with Lukaku?
Get him starting regularly for a team that plays good football. After next season RVP will be at the age where he isn't automatic first choice (if he is still here) and Hernandez would have a lot more opportunities.
Get him starting regularly for a team that plays good football. After next season RVP will be at the age where he isn't automatic first choice (if he is still here) and Hernandez would have a lot more opportunities.
He isn't going to develop into anything different, he is what he is. He will never be what we want from the start, he is great for us in the role that he plays off the bench. If that doesn't sit well with him, that's fully understandable.
Maybe not, but I think he'd offer us more loyalty
I don't think Rooney will hang around, and I have my doubts about RVP. And if we're not in the CL next year, will we attract top strikers?
Lack of playing time can't help - I'd rather judge him after a run of games.
Perhaps, and I don't think he will ever be a first choice starter for us, but would he be happy as a #3 striker for example?
I just feel that with the uncertainty surrounding RVP and Rooney, we would be mad to sell one of our other strikers as well as that would lead to us essentially needing to buy two new strikers.
Yeh as a 3rd striker or something he is a fantastic option to have but it's down to the player if he wants to play that role, I'm sure the club would love to keep him like that but I can understand if he isn't happy with that.
Yes and I can understand him not being happy at his lack of gametime this season though his form hasn't been anything special, although not has the teams).
I do think he would have more of a role to play in the future. If one of Rooney or RVP leaves next summer (which I would say is likely) then I can't see us forking out big money for a new striker - there are more important positions to strengthen.
Like I said if he was happy as a #3 then we should hold on to him. There are games where a quick and clinical poacher is invaluable.
Yes, I think there are more pressing issues that the club needs to address. However, they do need to be prepared for the worse. I just have a hunch (just my personal opinion) that Rooney could very well have a deal lined up. In that case, he is off. On top of that, if we miss the top 4 and RVP isn't happy (I don't buy into the rift between him and Moyes but if he wasn't happy) we could find ourselves in a situation where we lose both of them. Now I can't see the club letting that happen but it's not an impossible scenario.
So yes, we need to address midfield, wide areas and at the back before up front but I do hope and do believe that the club will be monitoring some strikers at the moment, just in case.
this. he is a great option from the bench, and is a fantastic 3rd or 4th choice striker to have, but obviously he would want to play more. unfortunately, i don't think he is good enough to be our first choice striker, even if rooney or van persie leaves one day we still need to get a top class replacement. hernandez's overall game is just not good enough for him to be starting every game for us, although i would not deny him being our best player to attack crosses into the opponent's six yard box.
if he leaves then it would be sad, but i would propose a move to atletico and we can perhaps make a deal for koke. we need more modern type footballers in our team ala mata. and koke would suit that very much. imagine by next season to have januzaj, mata, kagawa, januzaj as our attacking minded midfield option compared to what we have now in valencia, young and sadly, nani. that would represent a huge improvement in one area already.
The problem is he is like Inzaghi; His build up play is pretty poor, but give him a chance to react in the box and he will usually grab a goal.
Our service recently has not been good enough for him to shrive on. We are giving him the ball to his feet on the half way line like Rooney or RVP likes, but he is not that type of player.
Leave him leading the line for balls over the top and stretching the defence, and only give it to him when he's near the box.
Our service recently has not been good enough for him to shrive on. We are giving him the ball to his feet on the half way line like Rooney or RVP likes, but he is not that type of player.
Leave him leading the line for balls over the top and stretching the defence, and only give it to him when he's near the box.
It's not pretty poor. At times, he has delivered better crosses than Valencia.
All good and well, but I don't see us building a team around loyalty. If Hernandez is happy to have a Solskjaer role then that suits us, but he's not going to be a regular starter for us so it's probably for his best that he moves on.
But let's see how he gets on for the rest of the season, with Mata (hopefully) around to create more chances, he might see a better return rate.
It's always black or white with you lot, never inbetween. Our players are either shite/not good enough or amazing and the best in their position. No mentions of form or injury, never a passing thought to a player playing out of position or just not playing regularly. Looking through some of the posts and it seems like Hernandez is now being added to the list of players to be sold... I despair...
In all honesty, no! He is getting starts due to a big injury list, yet still not cutting it. He needs to be playing regularly for him to be effective, and playing as a poacher. Neither of which will happen at United.
We could sell and use the money to bring in a more suitable player to link up with the midfield...or develop one of the youth.
This.
Its amazing that people expect Hernandez to be in sparkling form besides having only a handful of appearances. Chico was clearly run ragged by time extra time started and its no shock his legs gave out after 90 minutes. And yet, despite all that he maintained his 1 in 3 chance conversion rate by scoring at the death (had a header at the far post, the botched chance in extra time and the aggregate equaliser).
Had United not been so cowardly and gone for it when we were 1-0 up he probably would've scored more. Statistically speaking if we create 6 chances for him Chico will score twice. At home against one of the worst teams in England Man Utd should be creating six clear chances for our strikers, we really should.
I'm not going to act like Hernandez was amazing on Tuesday, he wasn't. But if he gets the chances Chicharito scores goals. He simply aint getting the chances, either from Moyes or our midfielders.
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Hernandez is one of the best goalscorers in Europe and an excellent player, who's just incredibly unlucky to find himself in the same side as RvP and Rooney (plus Welbeck who's a very good player himself).
If he's played consistantly he's going to bang them in, and what's more, he'll probably suit a great number of teams since his game is mostly about finishing chances. He'll move on in the summer if we keep hold of Rooney/RvP, sadly.
If he's played consistantly he's going to bang them in, and what's more, he'll probably suit a great number of teams since his game is mostly about finishing chances. He'll move on in the summer if we keep hold of Rooney/RvP, sadly.
I've often seen signs of a player who can be good in the buildup but he needs to play regularly to refine that.
He's been contributing and showing flashes for the last year and a half.
His crossing is excellent actually. And look at the cross-field ball to Smalling at the Bridge, not to mention the responsibility he took upon himself to drive us forward as a substitute.
He's not a poor footballer by any means, just that compared to his amazing ability in the box it's a bit underwhelming.
I've always been critical of Hernandez, particularly his all round game, but the crux of your point is bang on. People do get too black and white. And the problem is that it changes from week to week. Player X plays well: "he's awesome." They then have a bad game and then we're back to the start. They either can't defend or they can't score. There's a lot more to a player than the one game at the weekend. Plus, when it comes to the end of the season, it's a either a case of "he's been shite" or "he's been awesome." Usually depends on what side of the agenda somebody is on.
I agree. I just think there is scope for growth but not here.
No footballer at his age will fulfill their potential by playing once every three weeks as a sub and start league cup games.
He should be banging in 30 a season at a Champions League club, not be fourth choice.
He's obviously great for us, since he's capable of being an impact sub, so I really don't get those who complain about his contribution. Which other 4th choice striker in the world is as good as Hernandez, or as likely to get you a goal from the bench/in the cups?
This. He won't get that opportunity here, but to say he wouldn't start for any top team in Europe is absurd.
Lack of playing time can't help - I'd rather judge him after a run of games.
Absolutely - spot on.
I will always judge a player on what they've achieved for us, and in his first season, he was immense. He hasn't suddenly become devoid of talent.
It's just ludicrous that people expect him to be so much better but don't take into account that he's had very little playing time and no chance to build up both momentum and confidence. Or 100% fitness come to that.
The team was criticised for lack of effort the other night - you couldn't accuse Chico of that.
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If Chicha was British he would have more playing time than Welback.
Probably for Aston Villa.
I will suffer from depression the day he leaves, i love the man too much
A poacher is exactly what we need at times, and he's arguably the most clinical finisher we've got.
People on here really need to stop obsessing over this playmaker striker rubbish.
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Moyes could show the magnanimity that Jose has and sell him to Chelsea for 40 million.
No he wouldn't. He'd be used as one of the nation's stereotypes for the mocking of English technique. Welbeck plays more because he's a better player. It's simple.
A player who will never be a first choice striker for us but can go on to great success somewhere else. Not that he's failed here but he's clearly capable of so much more at the right club.
I wouldn't like to say the same of Welbeck, much as I admire his play in all areas other than goal scoring.
I wouldn't like to say the same of Welbeck, much as I admire his play in all areas other than goal scoring.
Q: How much do you recon Welbeck is worth? There are lots of rumours Chelsea were trying to acquire Chicha.However has anyone ever heard a rumour of Chelsea targeting Welbeck?
Van Persie must be shit too because they never went for him either.
Citi was chasing RVP. Who's chasing Welbeck ?
I love Chicha, it's all going to end in tears though, isn't it?
Most other people don't really rate Welbeck that highly. As of now I'd say the most anyone would bid for him would probably be 15m. Hernandez last summer we'd probably be able to get like 25m for, probably 15-20m now. Hernandez is definitely worth more then Welbeck though, because as forward, their main job is to score and Hernandez will always be a better goalscorer then Welbeck in my opinion.
Welbeck for all his hype and playing time has not scored against big teams. Chicha got us important goals especially against the tougher teams...
Yeah, he only tends to score against the minnows like Real Madrid, City and Arsenal does Danny.
I don't know why these two threads always turn into playing them off against each other - Hernandez is the perfect player to have off the bench when you need a goal, and Welbeck's ability on the ball and combination with other forwards means he's a very good option. Both have flaws which have prevented them holding down starting spots, but I'd also like both to be in the squad next season.
I don't know why these two threads always turn into playing them off against each other - Hernandez is the perfect player to have off the bench when you need a goal, and Welbeck's ability on the ball and combination with other forwards means he's a very good option. Both have flaws which have prevented them holding down starting spots, but I'd also like both to be in the squad next season.
Welbeck has scored against Arsenal, Spuds, Shitty, Chelsea, Real Madrid in his career. Chicharito has scored against Chelsea, Liverpool.
If you want to use some silly argument in order to undermine somebody's worth, then atleast try to get your facts right before you make yourself look like a tool.
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Like I said in another thread.
We going to have some outgoings. Sadly Hernandez is one of few players, we'd get a decent fee for. So we should look to sell him. I honestly don't think he's good enough to be a starter here.
We going to have some outgoings. Sadly Hernandez is one of few players, we'd get a decent fee for. So we should look to sell him. I honestly don't think he's good enough to be a starter here.
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