Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

[coolredwine]

I agree with him to be honest. He is fourth choice here and I'm sure in some games, we'd look to play Mata behind the striker. So that means he'd be more down the pecking order.

Hernandez is one of few players who we could get a decent fee for. We'd have to pay clubs to take Valencia and Young off our hands.

RvP - 30. Will be 31 at the start of next season.
Rooney - 28. 29 in October. Not sure if he will remain next season.
Hernandez - 25. 26 in June.
Welbeck - 23.

Looking at their ages and situations, if we do end up selling Hernandez and/or Rooney, we would have to have at least 1 more striker in. And looking at the current market, do you really think we would get one easily?!

 

[Bape]

All the bulking up perhaps hasn't helped him.

I'm sure a few years ago that 1vs1 he had yesterday the defender would never come close to catching him. The reason he hit it early was because the defender was closing in on him I recall.

Doesn't help his first touch was shocking, instead of setting himself up he made it even harder.

 

[Dante]

I know he's had a busy program with Mexico over the Summer, but it was a bit worrying to see him go down with cramp at this stage of the season. It's not like he's been playing loads of football recently either.

 

[Decotron]

He had enough him to celebrate. Seemed to be more than fine then. Don't give me that's adrenaline.

I know he ran himself into the ground and I take my hat off and thank him for that but it was a little suspicious.

You're over analysing the feck out of that situation. Of course that was adrenaline. Cmon ffs

 

[B20]

RvP - 30. Will be 31 at the start of next season.
Rooney - 28. 29 in October. Not sure if he will remain next season.
Hernandez - 25. 26 in June.
Welbeck - 23.

Looking at their ages and situations, if we do end up selling Hernandez and/or Rooney, we would have to have at least 1 more striker in. And looking at the current market, do you really think we would get one easily?!

Would you also need to if you switch to a 4-2-3-1? With Januzaj, Kagawa and likely Mata you'd be well stocked for that formation.

 

[coolredwine]

Would you also need to if you switch to a 4-2-3-1? With Januzaj, Kagawa and likely Mata you'd be well stocked for that formation.

We have sorta switched to 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1, whatever people would like to call it. The thing is, given RvP's age and if Rooney leaves, we would need him. As simple as that. If we can get Kagawa/Mata () to play as a proper No. 10, I think Hernandez will thrive on their through balls.

 

[finneh]

The thing with Hernandez is that he's never been a very 'good' footballer, but he could well score a team 20 goals if they're playing well. He has that 'something' that special strikers have, and you just cannot teach that.

At present he's utterly wasted for us, because we barely attack with any real verve. His only defensive contribution is to close down the keeper, and tire himself out.

If you put him in the Chelsea team, with the creativity they have behind him I guarantee you he'd score 20 goals in a season.

If we can transform ourselves back into something that resembles a football team, he'll come good again. But he's not the man to stick up front and hoof it to, or hope that he'll create some great chances. That's unfair to expect of him.

Absolutely. After he doesn't play for 3-4 weeks and we have to watch Welbeck missing sitters left, right and centre I think people forget what kind of player he is and start thinking he's basically Welbeck who scores more often.

His job is to put away chances in the penalty area. If as a team we are cowering in our own half and he is on the half way line he is useless. He is effective when we attack and when we pile on pressure, which unfortunately is quite rare these days. Funnily enough the 2 minutes that we attacked in numbers after they scored; he scores, as he always does. If as a team we are playing a game whereby Hernandez is collecting the ball with his back to goal not far past the half way line, we might as well sub him and wave a white flag. On 60 minutes I said "get Hernandez off and get Cleverley on", not because he was playing poorly (which he was, shocking first touch even for him), but because he was sat on the half way line not having a clue how to have an effect on the game, whilst our midfield comedy show were getting bossed by Cattermole, Colback and Ki.

The only thing he did last night was what he knew how to do: chase down the goalkeeper and try to get involved in the game in a manner well outside his comfort zone, he was very shit at doing this.

 

[Decotron]

Love the guy but if the right offer comes in, in excess of £20m we should take it.

Other areas of our squad need so much cash thrown at them that a fourth striker is a luxury.

Almost all the players most want to see leave will raise little if any money in fees but Hernandez is definitely worth a few bob.

Hes a goal scorer who's getting shite service from a struggling midfield. Every squad needs a goal scorer.

Id easily sell Kagawa before Id sell him.

 

[Dante]

So Hernandez struggles because the players behind him aren't doing their job and Kagawa struggles because the players in front of him aren't doing theirs.

Both have been disappointing and shown a lack of balls. I wouldn't be to fussed about selling either for £15m+.

 

[Decotron]

So Hernandez struggles because the players behind him aren't doing their job and Kagawa struggles because the players in front of him aren't doing theirs.

Both have been disappointing and shown a lack of balls. I wouldn't be to fussed about selling either for £15m+.

Strange criticism of Hernandez. Its pretty obvious the lad cares a lot. He'd a poor match last night granted but a lack of balls isnt something Ive ever heard before.

I can certainly see it with Kagawa.

 

[adexkola]

How dare he not create and score his own chances.

 

[Drainy]

Strange criticism of Hernandez. Its pretty obvious the lad cares a lot. He'd a poor match last night granted but a lack of balls isnt something Ive ever heard before.

Yep, for all the basic flaws in his game he does have good determination.

He's a very good poacher, but I think we need more than that from a starting striker and it's not really fair on him to keep him as a fourth choice.

 

[Decotron]

Yep, for all the basic flaws in his game he does have good determination.

He's a very good poacher, but I think we need more than that from a starting striker and it's not really fair on him to keep him as a fourth choice.

No offence but this whole attitude of "i feel for him" or "its not fair on him" is absolute bollox imo

We should strive to have the best options we can in our squad. As a third or fourth striker hes ideal. Goalscorers with his instincts are few and far between. Ask any chelsea or Liverpool fan would they take him.

Hes also a great character to have around the club who trains well and gives his all. Good example to young players.

 

[adexkola]

Agree with this.

Poaching is excellent. I wouldn't trust him with one on ones. His link up is poor because his touch isnt great and he is no good back to goal.

For me, he doesn't have enough tools in his bag to be a top player.

When he is on form he is much more than a poacher, that should be clear to anyone who hasn't commented in this thread only after he had a bad game. That would be like me judging Rooney based on his annual after-binge-session phase when he can't trap a bag of cement.

 

[Drainy]

No offence but this whole attitude of "i feel for him" or "its not fair on him" is absolute bollox imo

We should strive to have the best options we can in our squad. As a third or fourth striker hes ideal. Goalscorers with his instincts are few and far between. Ask any chelsea or Liverpool fan would they take him.

Hes also a great character to have around the club who trains well and gives his all. Good example to young players.

I appreciate your point and I suppose if he is happy to play a limited role we would right to keep him, but if he wants to play a more prominent role in a first team he needs to move on- it would be best for him, and for us to give opportunities to a younger striker who has the potential to be a first team starter down the line.

 

[Decotron]

I appreciate your point and I suppose if he is happy to play a limited role we would right to keep him, but if he wants to play a more prominent role in a first team he needs to move on- it would be best for him, and for us to give opportunities to a younger striker who has the potential to be a first team starter down the line.

I know what you mean but as a club we should think selfishly. Its about giving him enough football to keep him happy. I think thats very achievable. In terms of the young strikers we have hes a country mile ahead of them currently. Henriquez is probably the most similar in terms of style.

I think its very easy in the aftermath of a defeat for everyone to only see the negatives with everything.

 

[Bread]

He waved at all four corners of the ground as he went off last night, make of that what you will.

 

[soapythecat]

I love him as a United player, he has done brilliantly for us when asked but I feel his time under Moyes will be very limited, once we are fully stocked again. He is to much of a poacher and that won't fall in to the way Moyes will set out. Hernandez rarely come deep and his link up play is not good, at all.
I honestly think 442 will be long gone once Rooney and RVP are back, in which case it defo won't suit him.
We could easily sell him and replace with a more suitable player.

 

[a_devil_inside]

In the lead up to the Sunderland goal - and before anyone moans, I'm not blaming him - he managed to miscontrol the ball a dozen yards or so from a relatively easy take. Unfortunately that's been the story of his season. He just hasn't gotten going at all.

that's what stood out for me when watching it, we should have started an attack going but because of a simple control we end up defending

 

[Plugsy]

He's at his best when the game and his peformance is fast and frantic. Give him space, give him time - I'm not sure you get the best out of him.

 

[Zen86]

I love him as a United player, he has done brilliantly for us when asked but I feel his time under Moyes will be very limited, once we are fully stocked again. He is to much of a poacher and that won't fall in to the way Moyes will set out. Hernandez rarely come deep and his link up play is not good, at all.
I honestly think 442 will be long gone once Rooney and RVP are back, in which case it defo won't suit him.
We could easily sell him and replace with a more suitable player.

A more suitable player? Do you not see the benefits of having a player like him?

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

For me, he will only be a fantastic super-sub for us. I can't really trust him as I do with RVP and Rooney when he starts the game. I know he's scored some very important goals for us from the start, like that 32 (?) second goal against Chelsea for example. But he is so one-dimensional, it's annoying. Majority of the time his touch is as heavy as an elephant and his passing is erratic. He's a clinical finisher, and his runs are glorious - but give him the ball 30 yards from goal, and he has nothing to add to us.

He's not the type to just accept to be our super-sub for his career - he clearly wants to play. I think he should leave in the Summer to start at another team. I adore the guy, but he deserves more playing time and I don't think his general play is good enough at United.

 

[Mainoldo]

Boy he has got terrible control!!!

 

[The Mitcher]

Have people already noticed, his technique outside of making runs and finishing is severly limited?

 

[Varun]

Boy he has got terrible control!!!

Its strangely inconsistent.

 

[dev1l]

whether he plays the full 90min or the last 15min,his output remains the samee

 

[ha_rooney]

The Sun saying Hernandez wants to leave and the signing of Mata may allow him the chance to leave now rather than the summer.

I'd be disappointed if he left, but he deserves a chance to be starting every game and that's unlikely to happen at United. Hopefully he goes abroad, if he does leave.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

The Sun saying Hernandez wants to leave and the signing of Mata may allow him the chance to leave now rather than the summer.

I'd be disappointed if he left, but he deserves a chance to be starting every game and that's unlikely to happen at United. Hopefully he goes abroad, if he does leave.

We all love Hernandez but he doesn't deserve to be starting every game. That's crazy.

 

[hp88]

Spoiler

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Sell to Atlético, we owe them for de Gea and we can open up a negotiation path to Koke.

 

[ha_rooney]

We all love Hernandez but he doesn't deserve to be starting every game. That's crazy.

Not saying he should definitely start every game but I said he deserves a chance to be starting. If he's scoring goals or playing well he should start, but that's something he's not going to get at United as RVP and Rooney will almost always be selected ahead of him, even if he's scoring goals (as we saw last season).

 

[Eric'sCollar]

Not saying he should definitely start every game but I said he deserves a chance to be starting. If he's scoring goals or playing well he should start, but that's something he's not going to get at United as RVP and Rooney will almost always be selected ahead of him, even if he's scoring goals (as we saw last season).

A fit RVP or Rooney offer so much more than Hernandez. Yes, Hernandez offers a fantastic goal threat but over 90mins, he just doesn't give us what RVP or Rooney do.

 

[shaggy]

We have too many strikers to be honest. Look at the top teams around Europe and they all have between one and three. Barca have perhaps Neymar/Messi, Bayern have a couple, Madrid have Benzema. We've got four. I love Hernandez but we need to stop playing 4-4-2 and he'll probably be sold.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

We have too many strikers to be honest. Look at the top teams around Europe and they all have between one and three. Barca have perhaps Neymar/Messi, Bayern have a couple, Madrid have Benzema. We've got four. I love Hernandez but we need to stop playing 4-4-2 and he'll probably be sold.

It could all change very quickly. When Rooney leaves, imagine if we lost RVP also. I think it's an area that needs to be monitored.

 

[Genius Me!]

I think it would be best for Hernandez to carve a career elsewhere so I wouldn't begrudge him a move. We have 3 other strikers in front of hin and I can't see him wanting to be on the sidelines forever.

 

[shaggy]

It could all change very quickly. When Rooney leaves, imagine if we lost RVP also. I think it's an area that needs to be monitored.

Definitely. I don't think we'll have a huge problem with the striker position anyway. We always seem to have very good strikers at the club. Chelsea have because they wasted £50 million on a dud, not because there isn't any out there.

 

[Gerald G]

I've said it many times before but Hernandez's all-round game just isn't good enough to be a regular for a top, top club. The way we've been playing now it highlights his deficiencies even more.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

I think it would be best for Hernandez to carve a career elsewhere so I wouldn't begrudge him a move.

Agreed, he's on course to play less this season than he did last and those appearances he is getting are even more sporadic in nature.

He'll be a valuable asset to another top club if he feels that a move is in his interests.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

He's better off dropping down a tier, Atlético or Juventus or some club similar.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

I've said it many times before but Hernandez's all-round game just isn't good enough to be a regular for a top, top club. The way we've been playing now it highlights his deficiencies even more.

It's actually worrying that his touch has got to the stage it has.