Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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I was livid at his first touch today because it was fecking awful. But then comes the 120th minute or so and I come to realisation that this guy is doing yet another sprint while trying not to throw up his lungs because he's that exhausted. He's taken part in every little fecking counter that we've managed to fail today, he was always there waiting for the ball, you can't take away all the heart and hard work he's put in the game today. That goal scored only proves that. Such shame it wasn't a winning one.

I just think that we should play him less often in the first XI but let him off the bench more often around, say, 60th minute, no matter what's the score.
 
If Rooney signs a new contract then i think it's time to sell Chicharito.
Not because of today or because he can't be used, but we can earn some money on a sale that can be used on more stressing positions, like left-back and midfield.
I know many hate Welbeck for not having much of a end-product, but I personally think having Chicharito as a striker is more of a liability than having Welbeck there, and Welbeck is still only 23-years old and can develop his end-product. The chances of Chicharito improving his first-touch and general play enough to make him up to wanted standard at 25 is pretty low.

All in all I hope signing Mata means the end of Chicharito rather than Rooney, though optimally we would have money and good management enough to get what is needed without selling either of Rooney or Chicharito.
 
Terrible performance. Can't blame him for not taking the penalty though, he was in terrible condition.

Annihilate Now! said:
To be fair to him - in comparison to Danny Welbeck, he had a decent game... in comparison to a normal performance though, he wasn't great. Still, at least he ran his bollocks off, and scored a goal, which is more than you can say for most.

Also, his goal was such a great fecking moment... it now doesn't mean a fecking thing :(
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In comparission with him Welbeck was world class. At least Welbeck tracked back and is actually capable of controlling the ball, and not giving it away every time someone passes it to him.
 
But...but...he'd be a starter for all the big clubs in Europe... :lol:

He's still an excellent squad player and great weapon off the bench. Certainly want to keep him and Welbeck given Rooney's probably going to sod off in the summer.
 
Ran his legs away but his touch...wow his touch. There are league two players who can control a ball better than he showed tonight.

I hope that was a bad boots trial.
 
Amar__ said:
In comparission with him Welbeck was world class. At least Welbeck tracked back and is actually capable of controlling the ball, and not giving it away every time someone passes it to him.
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We must have watched two different games - because thats exactly what Welbeck did... all night. I'd be shocked if the general consensus was honestly that Welbeck had a better game then Hernandez... Welbeck tonight was one of our worst performances of the season from any player.

Also, what's the point in tracking back if you never actually seem to win the ball? At least Hernandez pressured them into a few mistakes with his running around like a headless chicken.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
We must have watched two different games - because thats exactly what Welbeck did... all night. I'd be shocked if the general consensus was honestly that Welbeck had a better game then Hernandez... Welbeck tonight was one of our worst performances of the season from any player.

Also, what's the point in tracking back if you never actually seem to win the ball? At least Hernandez pressured them into a few mistakes with his running around like a headless chicken.
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Both were dire tonight, but apart from Hernandez goal he fecked up everything he touched.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
We must have watched two different games - because thats exactly what Welbeck did... all night. I'd be shocked if the general consensus was honestly that Welbeck had a better game then Hernandez... Welbeck tonight was one of our worst performances of the season from any player.

Also, what's the point in tracking back if you never actually seem to win the ball? At least Hernandez pressured them into a few mistakes with his running around like a headless chicken.
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Welbeck had best passing accuracy from our players, and only de Gea and Rafael had worse passing accuracy than Hernandez. Even if if it was the opposite(and it wasn't, statistics said Welbeck was better with the ball), at least he wasn't the one who looked like CB with awfull first touch playing in attack. Welbeck was awfull too, it was one of his worst performances surely, I am not defending him, but Hernandez has these problems whenever he is starter, and Welbeck played around half of the game as number ten, and other half on the wing, out of position. Hernandez is the one who is supposed to show something in this game, because he played in his position, but he just proved once again how poor his all-round play can be.

And Welbeck's tracking back was very good as always, this just shows how wrong you are here.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
We must have watched two different games - because thats exactly what Welbeck did... all night. I'd be shocked if the general consensus was honestly that Welbeck had a better game then Hernandez... Welbeck tonight was one of our worst performances of the season from any player.

Also, what's the point in tracking back if you never actually seem to win the ball? At least Hernandez pressured them into a few mistakes with his running around like a headless chicken.
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Prepare to be shocked. Watch it back, mate. Hernandez made Welbeck look like the reincarnation of George Best.
 
Amar__ said:
Welbeck had best passing accuracy from our players, and only de Gea and Rafael had worse passing accuracy than Hernandez. Even if if it was the opposite(and it wasn't, statistics said Welbeck was better with the ball), at least he wasn't the one who looked like CB with awfull first touch playing in attack. Welbeck was awfull too, it was one of his worst performances surely, I am not defending him, but Hernandez has these problems whenever he is starter, and Welbeck played around half of the game as number ten, and other half on the wing, out of position. Hernandez is the one who is supposed to show something in this game, because he played in his position, but he just proved once again how poor his all-round play can be.

And Welbeck's tracking back was very good as always, this just shows how wrong you are here.
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It really wasn't - he was basically like a fly who Sunderland players just swatted away. If you want to use stats to back up your argument, I'll do it too... Welbeck made a grand total of zero tackles in the game... a player who is actually tracking back well would - you'd think - at least make one sodding tackle. He did his usual running around schtick - as did Hernandez - but neither were overly effective with it.

And Welbecks passing wasn't where he lost it - it was whenever he tried to do anything that wasn't passing - particularly holding up the ball, which was laughably bad. His dribbling was also way off tonight.

Ultimately though, this is like arguing whether you want your right bollock chopped off or your left one.
 
He should just never play together with Welbeck. They have no understanding together whatsoever. Play one, or the other, but never both. Anyways, I thought he was better then Welbeck today since he actually scored and got in good positions to score. Also he's just such a lovable guy and loves the club so much its hard to criticize him, especially when he pops up with goals like those and always runs himself into the ground.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
It really wasn't - he was basically like a fly who Sunderland players just swatted away. If you want to use stats to back up your argument, I'll do it too... Welbeck made a grand total of zero tackles in the game... a player who is actually tracking back well would - you'd think - at least make one sodding tackle. He did his usual running around schtick - as did Hernandez - but neither were overly effective with it.

And Welbecks passing wasn't where he lost it - it was whenever he tried to do anything that wasn't passing - particularly holding up the ball, which was laughably bad. His dribbling was also way off tonight.

Ultimately though, this is like arguing whether you want your right bollock chopped off or your left one.
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They barely created anything through his side, I don't agree at all. He actually did one tackle where he almost injured himself(can't remember if it was successfull though), and he had 2 interceptions(only Evans, Smalling and Rafa had more), and two clearances(again, only defenders and Fletcher had more). I don't like to use statistics, but it's the only option possible in this case, it's my word against yours.

I agree with the last part, but as I said, you would expect more from Hernandez in this game, beacuse he is the one who is trying to get more minutes on the pitch.
 
Hernandez's first touch is akin to an amateur burglar trying to break into a house after a bottle of tequila and no sleep. Aside from that though, he did well tonight. He's not a team player like Welbeck, who benefits us more overall, as do Rooney and RVP, but one who relies on service and with our play at the minute even the crosses are bad never man and through balls or ones over the top. He got the goal tonight and worked hard, the clear chance he missed looked because he was out on his feet from running all game. The team was poor tonight, not necessarily Chicharito.
 
He just relies so much on the team functioning well and creating chances for him to finish off. When we play poorly it shows him up so badly, partly because he plays on the shoulder, but mostly because his build-up play is so poor.
I was almost expecting a blinder from him after those 20 minutes or whatever it was against Chelsea, he became the second coming of Wayne Rooney all of a sudden in that match. But it was back to normal today.
 
why he didn't took a penalty? regular for his country and always the first one to step when van persie, rooney or giggs aren't playing, and yet he allowed 2 defenders and an 18 year old to take 3 of our penalties? i know it is moyes' final decision on who will take those penalties but usually players would put their hands up and volunteer. chicharito should have taken one of our first penalties.
 
He was knackered by the first minute of extra time. This is one of the problems with using him as a sub most of the time, he's not going to last the distance. Neville and Phillips were on his case during the break and I couldnt disagree with them more. During the majority of the 90 minutes he was doing a good job in the buildup play and was slightly unlucky with his header that was saved. He should have taken his chance in extra time but he could barely stay on his feet let alone put the ball in the net. Still a bad miss for a player like him
 
ricky-romeo said:
why he didn't took a penalty? regular for his country and always the first one to step when van persie, rooney or giggs aren't playing, and yet he allowed 2 defenders and an 18 year old to take 3 of our penalties? i know it is moyes' final decision on who will take those penalties but usually players would put their hands up and volunteer. chicharito should have taken one of our first penalties.
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I would assume it was because he could barely walk at the end.
 
He had enough him to celebrate. Seemed to be more than fine then. Don't give me that's adrenaline.

I know he ran himself into the ground and I take my hat off and thank him for that but it was a little suspicious.
 
Anyone thinks he actually thought his goal had won United the game and not knowing it's going to penalties? He celebrated like a maniac there in front of the Stretford End
 
SATA said:
Anyone thinks he actually thought his goal had won United the game and not knowing it's going to penalties? He celebrated like a maniac there in front of the Stretford End
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Nope, think he was just glad he didnt miss it given he was barely conscious. Plus he almost redeemed himself for missing the chance earlier
 
Eric'sCollar said:
He had enough him to celebrate. Seemed to be more than fine then. Don't give me that's adrenaline.

I know he ran himself into the ground and I take my hat off and thank him for that but it was a little suspicious.
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Did you never score a goal before? Adrenaline is exactly what it is. Did you not see him fall down right after the whistle with a cramp or pulled muscle or whatever it was and barely being able to walk?
 
bosnian_red said:
Did you never score a goal before? Adrenaline is exactly what it is. Did you not see him fall down right after the whistle with a cramp or pulled muscle or whatever it was and barely being able to walk?
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As I said, I'm not saying he bottled it, I'm just saying I can understand people thinking it looks suspicious.
 
Love the guy but if the right offer comes in, in excess of £20m we should take it.

Other areas of our squad need so much cash thrown at them that a fourth striker is a luxury.

Almost all the players most want to see leave will raise little if any money in fees but Hernandez is definitely worth a few bob.
 
Many people that i have come across argue that Hernandez should play ahead of Wellbecj, i disagree because as quick as he is, he does lack serious first time control of the ball. I think he is an excellent player and he got us into the game again from an aweful position and i would agree that at the end he was completely spent, we as fans could not ask for more from him.
 
The thing with Hernandez is that he's never been a very 'good' footballer, but he could well score a team 20 goals if they're playing well. He has that 'something' that special strikers have, and you just cannot teach that.

At present he's utterly wasted for us, because we barely attack with any real verve. His only defensive contribution is to close down the keeper, and tire himself out.

If you put him in the Chelsea team, with the creativity they have behind him I guarantee you he'd score 20 goals in a season.

If we can transform ourselves back into something that resembles a football team, he'll come good again. But he's not the man to stick up front and hoof it to, or hope that he'll create some great chances. That's unfair to expect of him.
 
Nathan said:
Many people that i have come across argue that Hernandez should play ahead of Wellbecj, i disagree because as quick as he is, he does lack serious first time control of the ball. I think he is an excellent player and he got us into the game again from an aweful position and i would agree that at the end he was completely spent, we as fans could not ask for more from him.
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Non United fans certainly rate Hernadez more than Welbeck, possibly because they watch us less and basically only see the goals he scored.

That said, Hernadez will always be a supreme poacher. If the rest of our team was up to standard he'd always be a good bet to score a rake of goals each season. No matter what the rest of his game is like, that's a rare player to have in your squad.
 
Again i find no fault with your comments, I am very comfortable to have Hernandz come of the bench and make an instant impact.
 
The whole fastest-player-at-the-World Cup thing really painted him in the wrong light. He's not actually that much of a counter attacking threat because his touch lets him down when bearing down 30 yards from goal more often than not. I don't even think he's that special a finisher tbh. What he's always been brilliant at is scoring tap ins (that's not a criticism), but as our wingplay has begun to suffer so has he. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he has the game to adapt to a narrow formation where he's more involved in the play, so it's difficult to see him thrive if that's the road we go down.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Love the guy but if the right offer comes in, in excess of £20m we should take it.

Other areas of our squad need so much cash thrown at them that a fourth striker is a luxury.

Almost all the players most want to see leave will raise little if any money in fees but Hernandez is definitely worth a few bob.
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fecking hell!
 
Dante said:
The whole fastest-player-at-the-World Cup thing really painted him in the wrong light. He's not actually that much of a counter attacking threat because his touch lets him down when bearing down 30 yards from goal more often than not. I don't even think he's that special a finisher tbh. What he's always been brilliant at is scoring tap ins (that's not a criticism), but as our wingplay has begun to suffer so has he. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he has the game to adapt to a narrow formation where he's more involved in the play, so it's difficult to see him thrive if that's the road we go down.
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Agree with this.

Poaching is excellent. I wouldn't trust him with one on ones. His link up is poor because his touch isnt great and he is no good back to goal.

For me, he doesn't have enough tools in his bag to be a top player.
 
coolredwine said:
fecking hell!
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I agree with him to be honest. He is fourth choice here and I'm sure in some games, we'd look to play Mata behind the striker. So that means he'd be more down the pecking order.

Hernandez is one of few players who we could get a decent fee for. We'd have to pay clubs to take Valencia and Young off our hands.
 
In the lead up to the Sunderland goal - and before anyone moans, I'm not blaming him - he managed to miscontrol the ball a dozen yards or so from a relatively easy take. Unfortunately that's been the story of his season. He just hasn't gotten going at all.
 
Is it just me, or does he look slow now? And not just slow as in, he's lost maybe a yard of pace, just ... really fecking slow.
 
He looked absolutely knackered, like he had ran a couple of marathons.
 
Cina said:
Is it just me, or does he look slow now? And not just slow as in, he's lost maybe a yard of pace, just ... really fecking slow.
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All the bulking up perhaps hasn't helped him.

I'm sure a few years ago that 1vs1 he had yesterday the defender would never come close to catching him. The reason he hit it early was because the defender was closing in on him I recall.
 
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