Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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The point is, he cant do much without service but at the same time it doesnt always mean his touch is off. It doesnt help he's low on confidence
this is why i like the cafe..@mlclauhk of course not, but people act like he did nothing good all game
@mlclauhk of course not, but people act like he did nothing good all game
So we're now judging players by one or two instances from a whole 90 minutes?
He's a striker and his job is to score goals - not bothered if he managed to juggle the ball past three players in our box, i'm more concerned about putting the ball at the back of the net.
He had an awful game an off day, so let just say it as it is.
no we're not judging players by one or two instances. I just posted to offset the claim he constantly has a poor touch/does nothing outside the box.
And you're merely stating your impression of Hernandez's game against Swansea. He was pretty poor imo as well but how much weight do either of those opinions carry?
Us fans too often believe in our impressions of a game and a player's performance. It doesnt always match reality or let alone how the player actually performed for 90 minutes. Just what we remember, hence our impression.
Wouldn't be one bit surprised if he wanted to leave or was shipped out at the end of the season.
He's started just 7 of our 32 games this season so that can't be right. Maybe with Hernández our attacks break down more often whereas with other forwards our attacks just fizzle out, but at the end of the day it's the forwards who are the least responsible for our poor play this season. The service is terrible.
This.
Absolutely. His previous record is proof enough that he's capable of offering the team something, and it's hardly fair that he's getting so much criticism when he's hardly played. He's obviously not match-fit, and almost certainly low in confidence, self-belief and mood. Yet when he does come on, he's one player who does give his all, even if it doesn't come off.
The fault lies with either the manager, or a number of players (mentioning no names, but think of Spain), who can't get out of the side regardless of form). Or both.
He got what yesterday 5 mins??
That is how much Moyes values him... Trailing by a goal and giving the only real goalscorer we have in the squad 5 mins..
That is how much Moyes values him... Trailing by a goal and giving the only real goalscorer we have in the squad 5 mins..
Agreed, he is the mexican Inzaghi.
Am I the only one who thinks his touch and hold-up play have improved greatly the last year or so?
I don't think he's too bad. But the speed and style of our game as of now clearly doesn't suit him.
I don't think he's too bad. But the speed and style of our game as of now clearly doesn't suit him.
I agree that the problem with the forwards has been the service to them but I think because of that Hernandez who is more reliant on service than any striker we have hasn't always been the answer when we've wanted a goal. I think at times that's hindered us.
That said we should have seen him more in other games to keep him sharp and personally I'd prefer to find a way to get him in than keep playing the likes of Valencia when they're not performing
That said we should have seen him more in other games to keep him sharp and personally I'd prefer to find a way to get him in than keep playing the likes of Valencia when they're not performing
Hernandez relies on service and we've been more shit than ever before at supplying him. It's in surprise to me that he seems off the boil this season and is going several appearances without scoring. It's no coincidence that he scores a lot of goals near the end of games when we are chasing games and has a super-sub tag. The reason for that is that he is likely to get on the end of something when we used to be chasing a game and putting teams under relentless pressure and getting a lot of balls into the box.
He's still the best option we've got at the moment and I don't understand why he's not used. Even if he is off the bench, give him more than 5 minutes please. I really want to support David Moyes, but I do shake my head at times.
For the most part it has been fairly decent. But right now the team doesn't suit or play to his strenght at all. If we played quicker and actually created chances he would thrive. As it is we are expecting him to hold up the ball and then pass it on, which shouldn't be his job.
I'm not sure he always is though in the context that we can't even create chances most the time. If it were us making the chances but no ones there to put them in it they keep fluffing them than absolutely but a lot of times he's come on, it's felt to me anyway, that he's not going to bring much when we can't do anythig with the ball and he isn't particularly confident. I think in some games we'd have been better if trying to get someone in who can create in a different way such as kagawa in the hole or januzaj. Or other times we've lacked control of the middle and if we got that we might be able to grind something out.
You're not but his confidence is shot from what I can tell. Just seems less at ease
I agree. We played to his strengths before and allowed him to exploit deficiencies in the oppositions defence. Now we expect him to play in a way he has never been particularly good at.
The bloke scored his first goal for ages, then was promptly benched and brought on with 3 minutes left...
He clearly needs a run of games to get sharp and get his eye in, if he can't get that when Rooney and RVP are injured, then what's the point in keeping him here.
He clearly needs a run of games to get sharp and get his eye in, if he can't get that when Rooney and RVP are injured, then what's the point in keeping him here.
No one cares about the goal when he was our worst player in that game, he literally stopped most of our good play in final third against Swansea. And he wasn't even good with finishing either, should have scored at least one more.
I agree that he should have been brought earlier yesterday though.
He wasn't, he wasn't great (no one was) but he actually held the ball up well in some tight areas and tried to make things happen. Valencia and Cleverley were our worst players against Swansea by some margin.
I'd hope that he was left out as we may need him to start at the weekend. It'd be a huge boost if we could get him scoring regularly again
I think the problem with him starting, although I think he should have had more time over the season as a whole, is that he and Welbeck aren't a good combo. Welbeck is neat on the ball but he's not someone who will really create for others, he can't play off the striker as Rooney/RVP can. With us already struggling for creativity and control of the midfield, for me it's not a good balance.
I think the best way to include Hernandez would be at the expense of Valencia with Welbeck starting from wide which isn't ideal. But maybe his new found confidence will carry over to how he plays from wide. I think if Rooney is out then we need to get Kagawa in the hole and get his confidence up more so than Hernandez. Welbeck has shown he can get us a goal now, we need to start creating chances for him. I think we'd get more from either welbeck wide and kagawa of hernandez or although I hate to say it, Valencia wide and Welbeck and Kagawa through the middle than Welbeck and Hernandez as a duo.
I think the best way to include Hernandez would be at the expense of Valencia with Welbeck starting from wide which isn't ideal. But maybe his new found confidence will carry over to how he plays from wide. I think if Rooney is out then we need to get Kagawa in the hole and get his confidence up more so than Hernandez. Welbeck has shown he can get us a goal now, we need to start creating chances for him. I think we'd get more from either welbeck wide and kagawa of hernandez or although I hate to say it, Valencia wide and Welbeck and Kagawa through the middle than Welbeck and Hernandez as a duo.
Frankly I think Chicharito crosses better than Valencia does these days. I wouldn't mind playing him wide right of a forward 3.
Yeah tbf Hernandez does have a nice cross on him sometimes. Probably another area where Moyes has made his own problems. He's left both ando and hernandez out so much that we can't really experiment with the diamond again given the lack of wingers through injuries/form.
Given how little we make centrally I think a diamond would be a mistake but a more orthodox 4-3-3 could both work to pad out midfield and at least make it more difficult to play through while helping to accommodate our available attacking talent.
Frankly, any formation that would end the tragic site of Valencia absent mindedly ambling about and then smashing the ball into a full backs shins or the opposite touchline would be very much appreciated right now. I'm convinced that Hernandez would be more effective even as a right winger than Valencia (and he's not the only one!)
While he held the ball well around the middle of the pitch in the second half, he also ruined most of our good play that went into the box, few times he just ruined our good play with his poor touch or his decision making where he should have passed earlier and instead he just kept on delaying it and in the end defenders nicking it from him, or his shot being blocked. He also had worst passing accuracy in our team, was caught offside more than he should, and had fewest touches(can't blame him for this too much though). And his two misses were really poor, if Welbeck did that...(I know you wouldn't blame him, but others would for sure).
The diamond was just an example but we've got players who could play well in a narrow system, the problem is they're often isolated or not around similar thinking players. I know kagawa had to perform better himself but I definitely think he's hindered that generally there are few players nearby for him to play off who have the ability to operate in right areas. Januzaj certainly is one who could play very well with someone who he could make quick passes with. A narrow system like the diamond could allow kagawa and januzaj to operate from more central areas an link up with each other.
I'm not saying its the answer but currently our wingers are either injured or our of form but we do have someone in januzaj who can create well and as I said could if played closer to him bring more pit of kagawa. That for me would be an avenue I'd like to explore before welbeck and Hernandez up top. We'd still get width from the fullbacks. Maybe Hernandez could be included in that until Rooney/rvp are back but I'd want to look to try and get the most out of januzaj/kagawa without compromising welbeck too much.
Plays like he gives a feck. Which is nice.
You know you've got problems when Hernandez has to come deep so much.
The only proper striker in the squad at the minute and we didn't even start him.
All he does is score goals. They said.
Doesn't contribute anything outside of the box. They said.
Wouldn't start for any elite team in Europe. They said.
Doesn't contribute anything outside of the box. They said.
Wouldn't start for any elite team in Europe. They said.
Was a peach of a ball to Smalling. He'll start the next game and do feck all for 60 mins probably.
The most positive thing from today's game. Did well to get his goal and that long ball was also very good.
I think he's the player who has been most mismanaged this season. If he doesn't start on Wednesday then serious questions should be asked.
He was the only positive this game, an outstanding performance off the bench
I feel a bit sorry for him, if your team was set up in a different way he'd score a shedload.
I'd rather play him on the wing than Valencia or Young.
Played some lovely passes today, which was sad cos you'd have wanted him on the end of them. But as nobody else shows any ability to play through balls guess he had to or else he'd have been running about aimlessly in the Chelsea box.
If Moyes picks him, I'm afraid that's how I see it going. I just can't see how we can use him effectively under a Moyes system
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