Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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His greed has cost us lately. Even last night he had a glorious chance to play a simple ball through to kagawa (I think) but choose to shoot from miles out of the box. Noticing this more and more lately.
 
Brwned said:
Hernández has scored 4 goals this season and 3 of them have come from games he started in. I had a quick glance over the numbers and overall 40 of his 54 goals have come from starts. I may have miscounted one or two goals here and there but the overall point will remain the same - the majority of his goals have come from starts.
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And I remember the same thing being said about OGS - it was a complete myth.
 
Sports in general and especially professional sports are depend so much on confidence. When you know you have the confidence of the coach or coaching staff most players will play to a much higher level. Maybe it doesn't make sense but you see it at every level. The kids and men who have the complete confidence of the coach will perform at a higher level, much closer to their potential. They do this I think because you know as a player that good or bad, the coach as your back. You're free to play and express yourself without worrying about making a bad play and getting benched. For a lot of guys who don't have that complete confidence from the coach, they often are one poor game away from the bench.

It's a vicious circle. They play scared, and the result is predictably not great. That is IMO what separates good coaches or managers from great ones. Great ones can instill that confidence in fringe players or backups.
 
Your crossing has been poor this season and Hernandez has been below par. Coincidence? I think not.
 
Nucks said:
Sports in general and especially professional sports are depend so much on confidence. When you know you have the confidence of the coach or coaching staff most players will play to a much higher level. Maybe it doesn't make sense but you see it at every level. The kids and men who have the complete confidence of the coach will perform at a higher level, much closer to their potential. They do this I think because you know as a player that good or bad, the coach as your back. You're free to play and express yourself without worrying about making a bad play and getting benched. For a lot of guys who don't have that complete confidence from the coach, they often are one poor game away from the bench.

It's a vicious circle. They play scared, and the result is predictably not great. That is IMO what separates good coaches or managers from great ones. Great ones can instill that confidence in fringe players or backups.
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Having said that...I do think Moyes has given Welbeck some much needed confidence...
 
SilentWitness said:
Your crossing has been poor this season and Hernandez has been below par. Coincidence? I think not.
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Our crossing was poor last season and he still managed around 18 goals.
Last season we put teams under concerted pressure when we needed to win though and that's when Hernandez is at his best.
 
LR7 said:
Our crossing was poor last season and he still managed around 18 goals.
Last season we put teams under concerted pressure when we needed to win though and that's when Hernandez is at his best.
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The majority are set pieces, crosses and Carrick over the top balls. Carrick and RVP have been below par this year and you're crossing has been pretty poor. Plus teams aren't as open at the back when playing you which go against him.
 
He is not happy at United. He wants to be a regular starter but he is not good enough to be
 
::sonny:: said:
He is not happy at United. He wants to be a regular starter but he is not good enough to be
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This is the crux.

I really like Chicha and will be gutted to see him leave but I always knew the day would come because he never seemed quite good enough to be a regular starter.

Having said that, if he is prepared to be patient it could open up for him. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that both Rooney and van Persie could move on in the Summer.
 
His first half performance was the best overall display since Liverpool at home, in the Capital One Cup. His touch was on point and he was excellent at holding the ball. He made a couple of mistakes, but it's great to see the improvement. Not that hard to pass the ball to his feet, rather than look for the long ball.
 
If he'd had a bit more regular football this season he would have bagged a couple today. He's played a bit more recently but he still looks rusty at times.
 
Good goal, poaching skills still around so it's great news. Although for 1 good goal, about 4-5 chances that could've brought something went to ashes because of bad touch ( ugh ) or poor high defending line awareness. Never thought I'd say it, but I'd rather see Danny as #9 now that Robin and Rooney are out and Chicharito can still be a brilliant impact sub. However I do understand that he needs full matches too and such games are the best ones. Shame that it didn't work out today, he's done part of his job, credit for that.
 
Goal aside, I thought he was poor today. Constantly flagged offside, no first touch, created little and lost the ball constantly. the worrying thing is is that if RVP and Roo are unavailble, he is our best option alongside butterfeet. Doesn't look good really. In the space of a week I have gone from being fairly optomistic to the opposite.
 
He scored today but he's up there for one of the worst influences on our attacking player. Doesn't have the technique or physique to hold the ball up and doesn't get his head up when turning on the edge of the box when players are running off him.
 
Good goal for him and hopefully will give us some confidence. Sometimes though I just think we'd be better served with a 3rd midfielder, like Kagawa and then using Welbeck as the lone striker when RVP/Rooney aren't fit or we're chasing a goal. If we were dominating matches and making openings but couldn't get on the end of them then Hernandez is a great option but so often we're struggling to get in to the game and make something happen and I think he's more of a hindrance in that situation than anything. Going for an a/m, a proper a/m not just having Welbeck drop off as that's not his strength when we're trying to create would imo serve us better.

He's capable of some nice play, and getting better at it but he's just a bit short and is slows down or breaks up moves as he's either not on the same wavelength or doesn't have the ability to pull it off.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
His first touch is amazing terrible.
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I was thinking yesterday - in general our team doesn't have a very good first touch. I think there's only RVP, maybe Januzaj, sometimes Nani and apparently Kagawa who you could say have very good to excellent first touches...
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
You can't play football with him.

His first touch is amazing terrible.
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Well if our fecking playmakers were doing what they're supposed to it wouldn't matter.

And this bullshit about his first touch being terrible is a myth, his game has come on leaps and bounds, he manages to trap the ball hold it and spread it quite regularly now, it doesn't help half the passes to him are fecking miles away, to his head, or fired at him at a billion miles per hour.

Messi would struggle to control some of that shit too.
 
One Night Only said:
Well if our fecking playmakers were doing what they're supposed to it wouldn't matter.

And this bullshit about his first touch being terrible is a myth, his game has come on leaps and bounds, he manages to trap the ball hold it and spread it quite regularly now, it doesn't help half the passes to him are fecking miles away, to his head, or fired at him at a billion miles per hour.

Messi would struggle to control some of that shit too.
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You make some fine points but sadly Hernandez is an easy scapegoat these days. People are more than willing to ignore the progress in his game to blame him for things that aren't his fault.

Its true Chicharito didn't play particularly well against Swansea, had he been in top form he would have finished the game for us in the first half. However, is it not legitimate to ask how Chicharito is supposed to be in top form after the way he's been managed this season? At the start of the year he could not buy a game even after playing well e.g. Liverpool (H) in the League Cup. Even after being decisive e.g. Stoke (H) Moyes has marginalised Hernandez and his body language is not that of someone brimming with confidence.

I expect Hernandez to be sold sooner rather than later as its clear Moyes does not believe in him. The game against Swansea will be used as the pretext for getting shot of him and Chicharito will leave Old Trafford for Spain or Italy where he'll go on to be a 20-30 goal a season striker.
 
#07 said:
You make some fine points but sadly Hernandez is an easy scapegoat these days. People are more than willing to ignore the progress in his game to blame him for things that aren't his fault.

Its true Chicharito didn't play particularly well against Swansea, had he been in top form he would have finished the game for us in the first half. However, is it not legitimate to ask how Chicharito is supposed to be in top form after the way he's been managed this season? At the start of the year he could not buy a game even after playing well e.g. Liverpool (H) in the League Cup. Even after being decisive e.g. Stoke (H) Moyes has marginalised Hernandez and his body language is not that of someone brimming with confidence.

I expect Hernandez to be sold sooner rather than later as its clear Moyes does not believe in him. The game against Swansea will be used as the pretext for getting shot of him and Chicharito will leave Old Trafford for Spain or Italy where he'll go on to be a 20-30 goal a season striker.
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Where arguably his style of play will be better suited?
 
togg said:
Where arguably his style of play will be better suited?
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Not particularly. He has, after all, scored 54 times for United and when high on confidence has proved himself to be a top striker in England. He would excel in any team that put faith in him, played him consistently and created lots of chances for him. That simply isn't happening at Man Utd at the moment.
 
I think people are being very harsh on him. His lack of form and goals is down to a number of factors outside of his control imo. Goalscorers need service, simply as that. He's getting so little of it hes having to try force the issue himself which obviously isnt his strong point. When things do turn around for us Im certain he'll play his part, more so if we ever sort out our fecking midfield.
 
Decotron said:
I think people are being very harsh on him. His lack of form and goals is down to a number of factors outside of his control imo. Goalscorers need service, simply as that. He's getting so little of it hes having to try force the issue himself which obviously isnt his strong point. When things do turn around for us Im certain he'll play his part, more so if we ever sort out our fecking midfield.
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I agree. He's been a brilliant little player for us, scoring many vital goals. He just can't function with the total lack of service he is getting. Most strikers of any calibre can't really. No midfield and wingers who can't cross....crazy to expect anything from him or anyone else to be honest
 
Decotron said:
I think people are being very harsh on him. His lack of form and goals is down to a number of factors outside of his control imo. Goalscorers need service, simply as that. He's getting so little of it hes having to try force the issue himself which obviously isnt his strong point. When things do turn around for us Im certain he'll play his part, more so if we ever sort out our fecking midfield.
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I am a fan of Henrdez but he has missed a number of easy chances lately.
 
He just needs a run of games... 2nd game on the bounce and he scored a goal, I bet if he starts tonight he'll score again and play better than he did against Swansea.
 
He's a poacher...Always has been and always will be.

He's never been technically gifted or a great passer or has never oozed creativity. He's our version of Inzaghi.

Can't expect him to be a wizard all of a sudden. It's never been his role
 
I love the guy but his conversion rate this season must be at a relative low point?

He also doesn't seem his usual happy self, which can't be a coincidence. I think we might lose him in the summer if he doesn't start getting more minutes.
 
The only touch i care about is the one where he puts it in the net.As been said he's a poacher,not Messi.
 
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