Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm not so sure. It'll be a hell of an achievement if we do keep him, but I think it's possible. RVP is not young. His game is physically already noticeably different from what it was in his 20s. Ok, he's not about to get dropped, but even this season we're going to have to give him regular games off if we want him fresh and at his best for the whole season, and that's something which is going to happen more and more with each passing year. Hernandez is a patient guy. He doesn't need to be first choice right now, he just wants a decent amount of playing time, and probably will want to sense that he is becoming more and more important with each passing season.

So those two situations can be made to work together, it's just going to require a very delicate juggling act.

Crucially, Moyes needs to aim to be playing one of the two of them in every single game, even if our abundance of AMs/#10s/wide forwards makes it tempting to just push Rooney forwards when RVP is out.

One thing I'm increasingly sure of is that Hernandez is RVP's only real competition for the out-and-out striker role. I've personally never thought Rooney is quite as comfortable playing #9 as he is in #10, despite that one season, and Moyes comments and line-ups seem to suggest that he thinks the same thing. I also think it's becoming increasingly clear that Welbeck would be wasted as a true centre-forward. So RVP is Hernandez' only real obstacle to game time.
 
Players always encounter challenges through their career, this is a big one for Hernandez. I expect him to take it on and stay a United player for as long as he is wanted by the club.
 
One Night Only said:
Were definitely going to lose him! I'm going to hate the day aswell, because I know he's going to be an immense goalscorer for some other team :( plus he's such a loveable little character!
Click to expand...


Calm down, ONO!

*Throws bucket of cold water over ONO*
 
Never really a fan of Hernandez, tbh. All of our strikers in the past are very technical, even the poacher type: Hughes, Cole, Cantona, Solkjaer, RvN, Yorke, Sheringham, etc. I just don't see Hernandez can be that technical as formers.

If he's content as a 'super sub', it would be best for United.
 
Isotope said:
Never really a fan of Hernandez, tbh. All of our strikers in the past are very technical, even the poacher type: Hughes, Cole, Cantona, Solkjaer, RvN, Yorke, Sheringham, etc. I just don't see Hernandez can be that technical as formers.

If he's content as a 'super sub', it would be best for United.
Click to expand...


 
Another good video MoneyMay. Blatantly obvious how much his all round game has developed.

Also, Rafael has pulled off some audacious back heels this season :drool:
 
It's just a matter of preference. Technically, which striker he's comparable with to our formers?
 
LR7 said:
Another good video MoneyMay. Blatantly obvious how much his all round game has developed.

Also, Rafael has pulled off some audacious back heels this season :drool:
Click to expand...

Thanks.

Isotope said:
It's just a matter of preference. Technically, which striker he's comparable with to our formers?
Click to expand...

I'm no fan of Hernández either. He's one of the most overrated - by our fans - players in the side, but I love him. I love his work ethic and his ability to recognise his deficiencies and improve on them. He's gone through a massive transformation since the 11/12 season... He links up more, his first touch is better, and his passing is no longer patchy. He's definitely improved technically. I think his performance vs. Liverpool is in his top five performances for us. I just thought I'd link you to a match comp. IMO, however, he has to leave, simple as (unless he wants to wait for RvP to retire, but even then we'll be linked with better strikers). The frustration he's shown is concerning, of course, but this was always going to happen.
 
duffer said:
Can't blame him, players want to play.
Click to expand...


Yep, I've said it earlier too. He's just too good a player to be content with a squad role and with RVP and Rooney here, it isnt just something that'l go away in a year or so either. Think he'l leave in the near future.
 
One Night Only said:
Were definitely going to lose him! I'm going to hate the day aswell, because I know he's going to be an immense goalscorer for some other team :( plus he's such a loveable little character!
Click to expand...


I sense this as well, unfortunately. He's the best striker to have when you need someone off the bench.
 
Sad to say this but he won't ever be a starter here. He has improved his game a lot but I still can't see him leading the line for us on a regular basis. He has been very patient so far with the chances that he has got but if he feels that he needs to be starting regularly at this stage in his career than I won't begrudge him a move. He'd score bucketloads at Valencia or Atletico.
 
Would be a good career choice if he moves on but i hope that would not happen at all. Moyes has to use him more intelligently by putting him in games where his poaching instinct is needed
 
MoneyMay said:
Thanks.



I'm no fan of Hernández either. He's one of the most overrated - by our fans - players in the side, but I love him. I love his work ethic and his ability to recognise his deficiencies and improve on them. He's gone through a massive transformation since the 11/12 season... He links up more, his first touch is better, and his passing is no longer patchy. He's definitely improved technically. I think his performance vs. Liverpool is in his top five performances for us. I just thought I'd link you to a match comp. IMO, however, he has to leave, simple as (unless he wants to wait for RvP to retire, but even then we'll be linked with better strikers). The frustration he's shown is concerning, of course, but this was always going to happen.
Click to expand...

Is he really that overrated though? He has the best goals per minute ratio in the history of the Premier League. That is really some accomplishment. He scores a LOT of goals given how much he is in and out of the team on a game-by-game basis, and how few minutes he actually plays. He is equally as impactful coming off the bench as he is starting games imo (despite the super sub tag) and his movement in the box causes defenders a nightmare. Most of our fans are willing to accept that he maybe isn't one of the most complete strikers around but what is undeniable is that he is a brilliant goalscorer, and I think that, plus his infectious attitude, is what endears him to our fanbase.
 
MoneyMay said:
I'm no fan of Hernández either. He's one of the most overrated - by our fans - players in the side, but I love him. I love his work ethic and his ability to recognise his deficiencies and improve on them. He's gone through a massive transformation since the 11/12 season... He links up more, his first touch is better, and his passing is no longer patchy. He's definitely improved technically. I think his performance vs. Liverpool is in his top five performances for us. I just thought I'd link you to a match comp. IMO, however, he has to leave, simple as (unless he wants to wait for RvP to retire, but even then we'll be linked with better strikers). The frustration he's shown is concerning, of course, but this was always going to happen.
Click to expand...

Good compilation there, MM. I agreed that he improves technically. And perhaps he might be even better if given more playing time, that seems like it's very hard to get in this United team. There are 3 strikers at United ahead of him on my preference.
 
His main competition is RVP at the moment. Rooney plays deeper and Welbeck plays out wide more often. The only way I see Hernandez getting a run in the team is if RVP gets a long term injury. If Rooney or Welbeck get injured, I don't see him benefiting too much from that.
 
coolredwine said:
I think the scenario now is: RvP, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck.
Click to expand...

You could be right. It's just my preference for us to groom Welbeck as our main striker than Hernandez. Seems like Welbeck has higher ceiling in terms of future level. And with RvP and Rooney will be around for some years as our main strikers, and the ability of Welbeck to play in other position to afford him more playing time, we can afford the time to be more patient with Welbeck. I think this point has been discussed to death, though :lol:.

I think Hernandez will easily find many top suitors, though. He can easily be, at least, the 2nd choice in Arsenal or Madrid, for instance.
 
Be very sad to see him go, but hopefully he'll get some chances and prove himself and stay. Be better if he did especially if/when Rooney leaves in the summer
 
Will be gutted f he leaves, but his talent deserves more playing time which he might struggle to get at United.

A team like Valencia would be a good move career-wise, unless a big boy comes in for him.
 
He could do the job for any team in the world. He simply, guarantees goals
 
I think this could be his last season here. He's only started one league game so far with van Persie either injured or out of form for the majority of time and at 26 come June he'll probably like to play a bit more, there won't be a shortage of potential suitors either as he seems to be highly rated across Europe. We won't get anything in the £30m - £40m range as people have said in the past mind, probably half of that (I remember how someone argued with me that a £25m bid for Hernandez would have been laughable around a year or two ago).
 
Tibs said:
He could do the job for any team in the world. He simply, guarantees goals
Click to expand...


People said the same about Higuain but clearly Chelsea, City and some of the other big hitters were more interested in a more rounded (yet less prolific) forward.
 
MoneyMay said:
I'm no fan of Hernández either. He's one of the most overrated - by our fans - players in the side, but I love him
Click to expand...
I don't really think that is true. I think he has a lot of untapped potential that just doesn't suit our style of play. He'd absolutely thrive with a 4-1-4-1 where all four of the deeper players are all playing to contribute to playing him in and playing him in behind as well.

That to me is really the only way he's devastating. It just doesn't fit our ethos at the moment. Pure poaching just doesn't cut it because we have a potential club legend playing number10 and he's predominantly a striker and not an advanced midfield playmaker.

For Arsenal or even directly replacing Defoe for Tottenham he'd be magical. But I agree that I absolutely love the guy as well. It's weird when I watch Ruud, I get this weird Hernandez vibe. Like Hernandez if he was as powerful as Ruud was would command the same respect/first team spot.
 
Bayern ditched Mario Gomez for more rounded Mandzukic.
 
:lol:

Bayern's 4141 is now the holy grail then. Wonderful.
 
Brwned said:
:lol: Bayern's 4141 is now the holy grail then. Wonderful.
Click to expand...
Is it? Okay. The less buildup play with his back to goal and hustle that is not near goals the better. I know he's improved that part of his game shit loads but it's similar to putting armor piercing rounds in a single shot pistol.
 
You gun-mongers always confuse me a lot with your points. ;)
 
I don't think managing a large squad will be one of Moyes' strong points (which is understandable - considering he's never done it before), so I can see striking a balance that keeps everyone happy being an issue... so I could definitely see Hernandez and maybe others (Kagawa? Evans?) leaving due to not getting enough football...
 
Would be gutted when/if he leaves. One of my favorite players here and very likely our player with best attitude. I don't think that it is neccesarily for him to become a starter in order to stay with us, but he needs to play more than he's playing now or last season. Although we can't make a starter, he is also too good to play 1 in 5 games. If Moyes wants him here, he has to find some way of playing him more, even if that means dropping Rooney and RVP sometimes.
 
Brwned said:
People said the same about Higuain but clearly Chelsea, City and some of the other big hitters were more interested in a more rounded (yet less prolific) forward.
Click to expand...

I think that sums it up pretty really, mad to think that football has gotten to a point where scoring goals isn't enough to guarantee a striker a start.

Hernandez, and to a lesser extent Welbeck were always going to suffer once RVP came in. Welbeck is obviously still young, learnin, and can play out wide. Hernandez is in direct competition for the top spot and unfortunately for him RVP offers far more to our all round play at the moment.

I think its something Hernandez has been working on though, and if he has patience I think he does have it in him to be the main main within a year or two, RVP isn't getting any younger and for me there will be question marks over his hunger until he hits the same sort of form as we saw from him last year.

I think everyone would be disappointed if Hernandez goes but you could understand it if he decides he wants to be a starter elsewhere. It would be interesting to see who would come in for him too, I have my doubts he'd be any better off at the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern so he could be looking at a step down.
 
Been saying it for a while now, it's not up for debate how good he is etc for me as it's proven. Always thought he would be off though... just really came at the wrong time I think... very bad timing and will be a shame if such a talent leaves..
 
Eyepopper said:
I think its something Hernandez has been working on though, and if he has patience I think he does have it in him to be the main main within a year or two, RVP isn't getting any younger and for me there will be question marks over his hunger until he hits the same sort of form as we saw from him last year.
Click to expand...
He's been fighting his arse off for ball this season. Crazy amounts of tracking back and even genuine attempts to win the ball which is really bizarre for a rolls royce striker such as him.
 
If he ends up leaving, we'll inevitably get people blaming Moyes for underrating him and letting him go.

In reality, there's not an awful lot Moyes can do though, as all he can do is promise Hernandez games when Rooney or RVP are injured, or aren't vitally needed for a particular game. When you think about it, Hernandez did displace Berbatov in his first season here, can he do the same to RVP when he starts declining?
 
Shark22 said:
When you think about it, Hernandez did displace Berbatov in his first season here, can he do the same to RVP when he starts declining?
Click to expand...

That is under the assumption that:
1) RVP starts declining : With his style of play I can see him playing at the level he is for a few more seasons.
2) If he does, we don't go out and buy someone else.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.