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Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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No, I get it. I just think you are absolutely, totally wrong and it makes no sense that a pacy striker with brilliant movement would not do well with clever through balls and passez releasing him in space. Nothing at all suggests he needs classicwingers to get the best out of him.
Except, you know the problem he has with his link up play,
Anyway I've said all I can say on the matter, it's all speculation. Etoo should be scoring shit loads because he's definitely a competent poacher, if physically on the decline.
It's been seven games chief, daft making judgements like that on Moyes right now.
Also he is only really competing for the number 9 spot, whereas Welbeck can play on the wing or as a number 10. If you look at the games then Van Perise has missed two which has left that number 9 role open only twice - Welbeck got it once and Hernandez got it once.
Also Danny's game was against City and maybe Moyes thought his defensive contribution would be important against them, didn't turn out that way but you can see why he would think that.
I love Javier and, yes, it's shame that he's not a regular starter but we need to remember that we're United fans first; all-in-all, we should prioritise what's best for the club & not what's best for any particular player. It's only a while ago that fans were crying aloud that we'd 'ruined the career of a poor young Spanish player!' & castigating the club's staff. Sheesh...
It's not just a matter of generously freeing Chicha into the wild, so he can fully express his talent to the benefit of Arsenal, Real, PSG, B&Q etc etc; we need him here, even if he's not especially happy.
It's not just a matter of generously freeing Chicha into the wild, so he can fully express his talent to the benefit of Arsenal, Real, PSG, B&Q etc etc; we need him here, even if he's not especially happy.
I love him as well. His attitude is what makes me so proud to have him, near the squad for whatever reason.
Who's the poor young Spaniard? Piqué?
At this moment it looks like it's best for the club if Hernández starts when Van Persie is unavailable because Welbeck is far less of a goal threat.
Herrera, mate.
In my opinion Hernandez should be RVP natural cover/competitor UNLESS we're playing against a side with a very strong midfield. In that case, I believe that we should play with a 3 men CM(Fellaini-Carrick-Cleverley) with either Rooney or RVP acting as the lone striker. However even under such circumstances, Hernandez will still be 'relegated' to the role once covered by OGS (pls refer to Ish84045 post)
If you ask me, that's not a bad role. OGS has shaped for himself a fantastic career at OT and Javier should feel lucky if he is able to emulated him.
I'm totally guessing, but I wonder if Chicha misses having SAF as boss more than most players. They seemed to enjoy a great relationship.
Agreed, but we can't forget what led to Welbeck getting so many games over him either. Danny was brilliant vs Swansea and it really did look like he'd go on a bit of a run, but yet again, it just didn't happen. He was also in great form for England.
I wont be surprised. A new manager steps in, some players (Ex Chica) aren't playing that regularly and the situation gets a bit tense. I hope that Moyes will leave Safe mode ASAP. There's no way that the likes of Young, Giggs and Welbeck are better then the likes of Chicarito, Nani and Kagawa.
Yes, I was about to say the same. Going down the OGS route isn't the worst a man can do. What I would like, though, keeping OGS in mind - is for us to start using Chicharito more frequently as an impact sub. His starts will necessarily be limited with Rooney and RVP around, but I've thought for a while now that the lad is under-used from the bench.
I'm surprised that Moyes has attracted so much criticism for the 'safe' approach so early in his reign; it was the obvious thing to do & keeps senior players onside. Some are now going down the Hodgson-at-Liverpool road of analysing everything he says...which is inches away from "You don't know what you're doing" chants. And yet, if Moyes had played the youngsters & we'd lost most games, I doubt these fans would be applauding his bravery; instead, they'd call him an insane risk-taker whose mentality was flakey.
Indeed. The fact is that he can't win with some people at the moment. They're not willing to give him half an inch - and every possible "sign" of weakness is being highlighted to an absurd degree.
Well, I suppose it isn't fair to say he can't win...if we go on a real winning streak now, I expect most of 'em to shut it, at least while the streak lasts.
His play outside the box has improved tremendously, still isnt at the top level but its great to see the improvement. Really hope we can give him enough games, the lad's a goal machine.
Not all players want to play that role. I would understand if he wanted a starting role, either here or elsewhere.
I think the problem is that many supporters don't consider it 'safe' to play players who are clearly not in form, especially against the weaker teams. Even though I would have disagreed with the way we set up against Liverpool and City I could have at least understood the logic of going with experience (apart from in the case of Ashley Young who, compared to Nani, lacks big game experience).
Its in matches like Crystal Palace at home that people look and wonder why we're not rotating. Also, in the case of Javier Hernandez, people justifiably look at matches like last Sunday's when RVP is out and wonder why Chicharito isn't leading the line. Welbeck hasn't been in great form for us now since Swansea and, at Liverpool, we looked far more dangerous with Hernandez on the field than not.
That's some amazing stats if it's accurate. Fair to say he's our most lethal striker by a margin.
I think that's slightly misleading. We have to take the context of the situations. In 11/12, Welbeck deserved to start ahead of Hernández because he simply offered more. Hernández received chances, but his first touch and passing were poor. Last season, Welbeck started two games as a striker, that's about it. Fergie favoured him ahead of Hernández because he can play on the wings (and he presses well). This season, it's too early to judge who Moyes prefers. Overall, Hernandez is the better goal scorer - he possesses the BEST movement in the world in the box. Not even Falcao is better in this regard. I was also surprised at how well he held the ball up and I do think he deserves more starts, but I don't think your post reveals the context in which Welbeck played in.
Yeah, TBF Welbeck was played ahead of our wingers last year more than Hernandez.
Same article has the following stat:
He has 35 international goals in only 55 appearances for Mexico. That is a better international goals-to-game ratio than Cristiano Ronaldo (43 in 106) and Lionel Messi (39 in 78).
He has 35 international goals in only 55 appearances for Mexico. That is a better international goals-to-game ratio than Cristiano Ronaldo (43 in 106) and Lionel Messi (39 in 78).
It's a crazy stat, especially as I'd say a fair number of those have been as a substitute too.
It's amazing all right. Could we play the three of him, Rooney and RVP in the same line up?
I was looking at 433's but the team looked vulnerable then out wide.
I was looking at 433's but the team looked vulnerable then out wide.
Valencia/Nani - Carrick/Fellaini - Januzaj
Rooney
Van Persie - Hernandez? ¬_¬
Rooney
Van Persie - Hernandez? ¬_¬
It's a crazy international stat, especially considering how shit we are.
Well Fergie was experimenting with the diamond last season which would let us do that. Didn't really suit us though and can't see Moyes going down that route so soon after taking the job, would be a total overhaul of United's style.
I sort of sympathize with the coaching staff and the dilemma they have with starting Hernandez. While he's definitely good enough to start for us, he is also the best option coming off the bench, even better than Van Persie who is the better player. If Van Persie isn't available against West Brom and we start with Rooney and Hernandez and God forbid we need a goal, our option off the bench would be Welbeck. On the flip side of that we start Rooney and Welbeck and should we need a goal, we'd have someone who history shows will most likely help us get the points.
Damn his brilliance!
Someone's made a match comp:
And if you don't want the black border, you can watch my one:
Robbie Savage on his Savage Says thinks Chicha is being wasted as fourth choice at United and is surprised no big club came in for him. Must admit, I kinda agree...
The similarities in the finishing and movement ability between himself and Ruud is quite striking. If he was a broader and stronger player and could give a huge buffeting as well as take one.. Wow. He'd be unstoppable.
Last season he seemed to be second choice behind Van Persie. This season 7 games in, I presume still 2 choice behind Van Persie.
Could Januzaj take the reins of CM so soon? Or are you proposing for him to be a winger?
True but then depends on if he doesn't fancy Nani/Kagawa that much but knows he can't keep using Valencia/Young as they're not providing enough threat. A similar system to what liverpool played against us could work very well. Of course not ideal and you'd hope to persist with the 4231 of however people view our system, but I'd rather see a change in formation to get people in who can genuinely bring a threat than persist with players who have thus far looked similar to last seasons below par form, and if we win and execute it well then I don't think fans would mind too much.
I thought our use of the diamond last season was odd anyway, far too much pressure on the a/m to track back deep as the two cm/s along the d/m seemed too wide. I think Moyes would do it differently if he played it.
feck knows what I was thinking when I posted that
must have been playing fifa :/ think I was thinking winger, well as in a diamond really so the cm should be a bit deeper."It just about hit him and went in" - shocking commentary.
Brilliant build up play from Chicharito in that video, Nani wasted that chance by not passing it back to Kagawa who was wide in space because all the defenders followed Nani.
Clearly looked unhappy at the end, which is so unlike him. Hope we don't lose him.
Brilliant build up play from Chicharito in that video, Nani wasted that chance by not passing it back to Kagawa who was wide in space because all the defenders followed Nani.
Clearly looked unhappy at the end, which is so unlike him. Hope we don't lose him.
feck knows what I was thinking when I posted that
Are you really expecting us to play one CM?
Or any CM, for that matter....
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