Javier Hernandez | 2011/12 Performances
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He has a great attitude. Love the little pea.
Chicharito <3
Looking at the positives from tonight for a moment: his goal was fantastic, his touch and composure are very encouraging and he even looks to have put on a bit of bulk which should help him. He had a few very well timed runs as well, curving the start of his run to stay onside, something he's been getting caught out with a bit recently. Positive signs from the young lad.
his best game in months.
His touch and link up was very good first half and he looked a constant threat. He got no service at all second half.
His passing and hold up play need a lot of improvement. But his instincts in front of the goal are fantastic.
not sure what game you were watching
He still needs improvement, but my word, he's been so much better at these things lately.
The first half of the season was basically Hernandez in relatively poor form, bar the odd match, but lately he's come into his own. Some of his turns and passes were excellent, and with a bit of luck, he'd have ended the night with two assists. The pass for Rafael was very, very clever.
He had a decent game last night. Good movement as usual. First touch for goal was great.
But he really needs to work on his one touch passing. It is quite horrendous.
But he really needs to work on his one touch passing. It is quite horrendous.
His take from Berba and quickness of feet to set himself up for the first goal were exquisite
He does pretty much every right there. The touch to kill it, the shift to his left and the shot the wrong way.
This is what I've been saying for a while now. Gradually, he will improve and you will certain aspects of his game come to the fore. It wont be until a season or 2 until we really see how dangerous Chicha can really be. He impressed me in the first half though.
His dribbling is becoming a bit more natural and less labored and that quick turn before his goal was excellent. Like you said some of his turns and passes were really good. However, he's not at a stage where we will see this consistently. For a lot of fans, they expect our players to do this consistently. Hence, this is why I think some do not rate him as much yet they forget to look at the upside.
It's even crazier because Welbeck is still developing as well. When these two get closer to reaching their peak, we're going to have some strikeforce.
Yeah, Hernandez has become stronger as well - focusing on other facets of his game may have been a bit of the reason behind his poorly timed runs in some games.
But I still think it's okay to say so if he has a crap match. It doesn't mean people have turned on him,, like Plech would've said, it just means people think he played poorly. Which he has done at times.
I just love the way he takes the defenders completely out of the equation by shifting his feet. Every now and again Hernandez does stuff like the goal against Wolves in the Carling Cup last season or the banger against Argentina in the 2010 World Cup where he shows incredible feet. Its like when he´s in the penalty area Chicho goes into ´the zone´ and becomes a totally different person. The only thing he needs to do is become comfortable enough outside of the penalty box to reproduce those touches there consistently. There have been signs this season when he hasn´t been injured that he´s getting there can´t wait for the day he does. Chicharito is a legend in the making...
Oh yes and I fully accept that. When you're poor, you're poor. There's no way around it but I'm just saying that he's still putting certain pieces of his game together and it'll be exciting to see when it becomes the full package
Yeah.. I feel it's really difficult to judge how much potential Hernandez has got.
Even now, fully fit and firing he's a top class spearhead striker IMO. So it's not like it's necesarry to improve much, but the competition with Welbeck as you say is tough. Should lead to both of them making strides.
#07, this reminds of our days in the newbies (my username was Manutdlova4ever then). I think we were one of the biggest advocates for Chicha down there and I feel the same way. All I've needed to see from him are bits and pieces to know that in time, he's going to be some player.
It just seems like outside the box, he's not sure how to best threaten the opposition's defense but it seems to be something that he's gradually getting used to. When he puts it all together, some people are going to be really surprised.
The reason I think Cheech has a pretty big upside is his approach to the game on and off the pitch. You can always count on him putting himself about and trying new things every now and then even if he makes mistake. His attitude ensures that he just keeps on going regardless of the outcome. He's really dedicated to improving his craft. As long as he can maintain that attitude then I think he has it within him to be really develop into a well-rounded player.
Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like if he came through academy around the same time as Welbeck when Rene introduced his skills development training.
I kinda wished we rested him and played Berbatov the whole game, so he could start against Norwich if Rooney is not fit.
Yeah man I remember that.
I don´t think he doesn´t know how to threaten the opposition defence outside the box. He does it really well for Mexico and he was very adept at pulling the strings from deeper positions in the Gold Cup last year. In the final against the U.S.A. Chicharito´s impact was felt more from how he teed up others rather than finishing. I just feel playing for us he feels more pressure than playing for Mexico and takes less risks.
Obviously he feels preesure to deliver for his country but he also knows that he´s an icon in his home country and would never get dropped for making a mistake. Whereas for us if he knows if he makes a mistake a) the media will savage him and b) Welbs will be waiting in the wings so he keeps things simple and plays it safe which makes him seem one dimensional. I think as time goes by he´s getting more confident to be himself and less worried about trying stuff. After all now he has to prove his versatility to earn his place in the starting XI. Its not just about not messing up anymore but showing he´s every bit as capable as anyone else.
And when you add that growth as an all around player to his impressive goalscoring record this year of 10 in 27 appearances, despite his 3 spells out of the side with injury, I think Hernandez is well placed to regain his spot up top alongside Wazza as we get to the business end of the season. 4 goals in his last 4 matches...we know from last season that once he starts scoring he doesn´t stop and those goals could be crucial in taking us over the line. I wouldn't be surprised to see the title go down to the wire and us taking it by 2 points thanks to a late goal from Javier Hernandez at Wastelands.
Always cracks me up
Yeah man I remember that.
I don´t think he doesn´t know how to threaten the opposition defence outside the box. He does it really well for Mexico and he was very adept at pulling the strings from deeper positions in the Gold Cup last year. In the final against the U.S.A. Chicharito´s impact was felt more from how he teed up others rather than finishing. I just feel playing for us he feels more pressure than playing for Mexico and takes less risks.
Obviously he feels preesure to deliver for his country but he also knows that he´s an icon in his home country and would never get dropped for making a mistake. Whereas for us if he knows if he makes a mistake a) the media will savage him and b) Welbs will be waiting in the wings so he keeps things simple and plays it safe which makes him seem one dimensional. I think as time goes by he´s getting more confident to be himself and less worried about trying stuff. After all now he has to prove his versatility to earn his place in the starting XI. Its not just about not messing up anymore but showing he´s every bit as capable as anyone else.
And when you add that growth as an all around player to his impressive goalscoring record this year of 10 in 27 appearances, despite his 3 spells out of the side with injury, I think Hernandez is well placed to regain his spot up top alongside Wazza as we get to the business end of the season. 4 goals in his last 4 matches...we know from last season that once he starts scoring he doesn´t stop and those goals could be crucial in taking us over the line. I wouldn't be surprised to see the title go down to the wire and us taking it by 2 points thanks to a late goal from Javier Hernandez at Wastelands.
Indeed. You're right on how he plays for Mexico. I noticed that too as he was tremendous for them in the Gold Cup. That assist to Barrera in the Gold Cup final
He's definitely making strides but I was just focusing on his time here but I think your assessment is correct. He's definitely shown us glimpses. It's really a matter of him integrating what he's improved into his game and being confident with expressing that. The way he plays after scoring sometimes is really exciting to watch.
The main difference with Hernandez is that we usually determine whether he has had a good match or not based on whether he's scored or not, because he's a poacher. There are some games where he doesn't really involve himself in the play at all, however manages to score a goal. When he does that, you'd still class it as being a good performance, as opposed to someone like Rooney who we usually judge depending on what he contributes to the whole team.
Someone like Rooney is very different though. Sometimes he won't score, but he'll still produce a very good performance. Even in some games when he does score, we might still criticise him if he doesn't give a lot to the team as a whole.
Always cracks me up
Me too. I've come a long way. That's all I gotta say.
Nice new video for all us Chicharito partisans:
Props to the guy who made this.
Props to the guy who made this.
where is rukawa and his baby photos when you need him.
His header with the back of his head over and under last season was astonishing. This guy's an out and out finisher!
SAF hasn't always been in love with out-and-out finishers - Lineker/Inzaghi so he's always beleived you should have more to your game. Solkskjaer and Cole developed their games to help our all round team play and that is what Chicharito is learning now.
He hasn't hit the same sharpness/heights of last season because of a number of factors (that don't include 2nd season syndrome) so because of that the flaws in his game have been highlighted but I believe this actually gives an opportunity to develop his all-round game. I'm glad he plays for us as has the right mentality and spirit to learn and improve.
SAF hasn't always been in love with out-and-out finishers - Lineker/Inzaghi so he's always beleived you should have more to your game. Solkskjaer and Cole developed their games to help our all round team play and that is what Chicharito is learning now.
He hasn't hit the same sharpness/heights of last season because of a number of factors (that don't include 2nd season syndrome) so because of that the flaws in his game have been highlighted but I believe this actually gives an opportunity to develop his all-round game. I'm glad he plays for us as has the right mentality and spirit to learn and improve.
I'm sure he will but I still couldn't care less if he develops the rest of his game immensely, for me it'll just be a bonus. He's an amazing goal poacher and the rest of the team should be good enough to utilise that. Even this season where he's not considered to have been prolific he's got a league goal every 124 minutes.
But you do realize it as his goal that sent us through.kind of.
Had the first touch of a donkey today. I love him to death and all but he really needs to work on his link up play. The amount of times our attack broke down with him was appalling.
Was like playing with 10 men at times. He had an awful touch in the first half and after that his confidence seemed to decrease as the game went on.
The coaches need to work on his link up play, at times it's dire.
Still, he's a goalscorer, and he's got some important ones for us, so not going to be too hard on him.
Still, he's a goalscorer, and he's got some important ones for us, so not going to be too hard on him.
His link up play isn't an important part of his game. What he does most are his off the ball runs to keep defenders away from the ball busy. He's a possession dominating player. The ball didn't get close to him near the box today unfortunately.
That being said he didn't have a good day.
That being said he didn't have a good day.
But the problem is that if other players are struggling he can't offer much. He needs other players to be doing well. He doesn't have the ability to really take players on himself, not the guile to create something for someone else regularly. He's not bad at it, but he's just not as good as other top strikers. His movement and finishing can compensate for that at times, as he's clearly one of the best around in that regard, but I think for him to make the next step up it's something he's going to seriously work on. Without it I expect Welbeck to firmly become the first choice partner for Rooney because although he doesn't have the same finishing/movement ability, the other aspects of his game are better.
He's also someone you'd love to be able to bring off the bench to change a game, that may hamper his starting opportunities in the long run.
Yeah that's similar to how I view walcott. As they are at the moment I think they'd be most effective as impact subs. Tbh though, if Rooney is playing we can get away with Hernandez not being able to contribute as much as you'd like as although he might have a bad game he'll liekly produce one great pass which is all hernandez needs. It's just when we don't have our better attacking players that hernandez's weaknesses become more apparent.
Personally, I think Hernandez is at his best when he's got a second striker like Rooney playing in behind him. Rooney can create for Hernandez like nobody else can.
Of course the midfield can create for him, but I don't think they're as effective as Rooney is in that respect.
Of course the midfield can create for him, but I don't think they're as effective as Rooney is in that respect.
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