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Javier Hernandez | 2011/12 Performances
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Yeah well, Danny Period is your brother. There.
This is a new one for me.
8 goals this season, all in the league...
Bolton - Opener & 4th
Liverpool - Equalizer
Everton - Winner
Swansea - Winner
Newcastle - Opener
Stoke - Opener
Chelsea - Equalizer
Bolton - Opener & 4th
Liverpool - Equalizer
Everton - Winner
Swansea - Winner
Newcastle - Opener
Stoke - Opener
Chelsea - Equalizer
give it a season or two, i honestly think this boy will be a fantastic player. Dont want to say world class just yet but he's just the gift that keeps on giving. He's getting better with each game. Once he perfects those runs and beats the offside trap, it's game over.
Hope he and Rooney can now go on a mental scoring spree as I think Welbeck has had his spurt! Berbatov is always there for the experience when we need it but I'd start with Hernandez and Rooney in the PL for all of Feb and use Berbatov and Welbeck in Europa.
Hernandez and Welbeck give us such depth of quality for the future with an ever maturing Rooney and the uber skilled and fully developed Berbatov to learn from and be inspired by. Its a potent mix. If Macheda can develop along similar lines, it will be the most amazing piece of youth development we will have seen since 'the kids' of 1995!
pretty bold statement there samms
Dont hold your breathe on that one.
Red hot Chic: Sir Alex Ferguson to hand Javier Hernandez chance to fire Manchester United | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk
Its worth bringing attention to this piece. Not for its attempt to get into Fergie's head but because of the important point it makes about Hernandez's goalscoring last season. For all those people who are convinced that Hernandez is suffering from second season syndrome lets just remember that up until January of last year Chico had only scored 7 times for United.
He's got 8 for us now and that's despite having his pre-season messed up by the head injury and injuring his ankle against Stoke and then against Villa, which has meant this season he's not really had a consistent run of games in the first XI. Unlike Rooney Hernandez hasn't been able to walk back into the starting line-up after his spells on the sidelines, he's had to bide his time and accept the competition from Welbeck. Yet despite that Chico's still on track to equal his goal tally from last year and I would be willing to bet that if he is able to avoid the kicks of defenders until the end of the season he'll score more than he did in 2010/11.
Its worth bringing attention to this piece. Not for its attempt to get into Fergie's head but because of the important point it makes about Hernandez's goalscoring last season. For all those people who are convinced that Hernandez is suffering from second season syndrome lets just remember that up until January of last year Chico had only scored 7 times for United.
He's got 8 for us now and that's despite having his pre-season messed up by the head injury and injuring his ankle against Stoke and then against Villa, which has meant this season he's not really had a consistent run of games in the first XI. Unlike Rooney Hernandez hasn't been able to walk back into the starting line-up after his spells on the sidelines, he's had to bide his time and accept the competition from Welbeck. Yet despite that Chico's still on track to equal his goal tally from last year and I would be willing to bet that if he is able to avoid the kicks of defenders until the end of the season he'll score more than he did in 2010/11.
I've been wondering recently, and before Sunday, whether he could become our new Ole - as in, a lot more effective off the bench than perhaps when he starts. Seems an intelligent lad and can read the game very well from the sidelines like Ole was known for, plus his movement is a nightmare for defenders at the best of times, but let alone when he's got fresh legs and they have tired ones.
Just a thought. Might develop that way.
Just a thought. Might develop that way.
I hope not. Only because he seems like a nice lad and I know Ole always found it remarkably frustrating playing that role. Most footballers would presumably rather be starting (and finishing) games than be a "supersub".
Mind you, if he plays the role as well as Ole did, and if he is satisfied with that role (as opposed to being a starter at a slightly smaller club) then bring it on. That is one of the miraculous things about Ole - not just that he was so effective as a sub, but that he refused to leave, even when he knew that was all he would be used for here.
Mind you, if he plays the role as well as Ole did, and if he is satisfied with that role (as opposed to being a starter at a slightly smaller club) then bring it on. That is one of the miraculous things about Ole - not just that he was so effective as a sub, but that he refused to leave, even when he knew that was all he would be used for here.
Berbatov had Fergie's faith last season up until Fulham away where he realised Hernandez was key to stretching the oppositions defence and as a result our away form took an up turn along with Hernandez's goal scoring tally.
The difference this season is that it's been Welbeck who has shown great form and unlike Berbatov, Welbeck is involved in a large part of our build up play without being detrimental to our rhythm, pace and tactics.
Nar, he's too good for that imo.
Doesn't seem the type to enjoy that role either.
If, for example, Rooney and Welbeck became an established starting partnership, or if Chicharito found himself third in the pecking order and therefore not playing week in week out as he might like, he might decide to leave. I guess he might go to a club of equal size or larger than ours. Though if he failed to make a starting position his own with us, and if regular first team action was his goal, he might decide to go to a smaller club.
I was thinking about the Ole comparison. He was our supersub, a few clubs, Spurs for example, made enquiries but he never wanted to go. So if the same situation arose, what would Chicharito do? I dont know. But I dont think itll come to that to be honest, I dont think he is supersub material.
I was thinking about the Ole comparison. He was our supersub, a few clubs, Spurs for example, made enquiries but he never wanted to go. So if the same situation arose, what would Chicharito do? I dont know. But I dont think itll come to that to be honest, I dont think he is supersub material.
With Welbeck and Hernandez, we'll never have an established starting partnership.
And when Welbeck starts more games than Hernandez, Mexican will be happy with his role in the team because of impact he has when comes off the bench and because there are injuries and rotation in football as well.
And when Welbeck starts more games than Hernandez, Mexican will be happy with his role in the team because of impact he has when comes off the bench and because there are injuries and rotation in football as well.
Firstly, third choice behind Rooney and Welbeck should still see him get 20-25 starts a season as well as 25-30 sub appearances which is as much as any squad member could ask for. There is no way in hell Rooney and Welbeck would both stay fit for 50+ games in a season. If each drops 10-15 games thats his 20-30 right there and I can't understand why you think Hernandez is not super sub material. He's been a little out of the picture recently due to Ferguson managing him. Now we're getting well into the second half of the season I'm sure you will see his form pick up as he comes to his peak condition combined with matches under his belt.
When I say he isnt supersub material I am not saying he isnt good enough, I am saying he will get more starts than Ole used to.
Erm....not sure what you're basing this on. I can find more articles supporting the contrary. It doesn't make sense what you're saying especially when you see his interviews, let alone the gratitude he has that we've basically given him the chance of a lifetime. He's pretty fond of us. Don't see him leaving anytime soon. His attitude alone just trumps your thinking.
Hernandez really doesn't seem the type to be happy as "super-sub", that looks obvious to me. Just look at his face as he was subbed against Stoke.
I also think Hernandez would have much better options than Ole had back in the day if he did decide to leave.
Eh, I dont think what I posted earlier has come across to people how I intended it at all, it seems to have been misconstrued by multiple people in multiple ways.
The above was not a prediction. I was thinking out loud. 99 Red Balloons made the Ole comparison and I was just rambling, wondering whether, IF he did become a supersub who seldom got starts, would he be happy with that? Then i pondered whether, in that situation, he (could be anyone) might consider leaving - going to a smaller club. I have no idea if he would or not, and I happen to think the scenario unlikely anyway because I think he will get more starts than Ole did.
Its nothing personal on Chicharito at all, more a general point that some people dont like being confined to the role of impact sub. IF he was to be used in that way. The same would apply to any player of his quality that happened to find themselves in the situation where they are not being played as much as they would like.
The above was not a prediction. I was thinking out loud. 99 Red Balloons made the Ole comparison and I was just rambling, wondering whether, IF he did become a supersub who seldom got starts, would he be happy with that? Then i pondered whether, in that situation, he (could be anyone) might consider leaving - going to a smaller club. I have no idea if he would or not, and I happen to think the scenario unlikely anyway because I think he will get more starts than Ole did.
Its nothing personal on Chicharito at all, more a general point that some people dont like being confined to the role of impact sub. IF he was to be used in that way. The same would apply to any player of his quality that happened to find themselves in the situation where they are not being played as much as they would like.
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I dont think many players are happy at being subbed off. Of course he wants to play. My point is he would be happier with an impact sub role versus other players. He has never come across as the type of player that demands first team football. In fact, he just tries to make the most of his opportunities. He himself in his first season with us expected to be in the reserves and he was even surprised at playing so much. Still and yet, he made the most of it.
To suggest to me that a player's face being subbed off is an indicator of how they feel about being an impact sub is absolute rubbish. Unless they were actually fatigued, I'm sure every player would want to play 90 minutes.
Believe what you like, personally I think Hernandez would be off to Madrid, Milan, Juve, Inter etc if he was resigned to just being a "super sub" here. Neither of us know obviously, it's just the feelings we have.
Fair enough. Ever since he's been at the club, he's just seemed grateful to even play for us. That's why I found your assessment a bit odd. It was suggesting as if he was another Tevez. Obviously not to that extent but I think you can understand where I'm coming from.
Fact of the matter is, unless we bring in a top class striker, Hernandez won't be confined to an impact sub role as Fergie really values what he brings to the team.
As an aside, I'm liking the fact that he's looking really sharp on the ball. That quick turn and pass for the second penalty was nice to see. Definitely showing some positives. It may not mean much to some people on here but when my good friend who supports Chivas told me to pay close attention to his development, I couldn't help but smile at that. I honestly think he will become a top class player here due to his application and determination. Though, as excited as I am about him, I try not to get carried away.
I'm just saying based on all the articles, his background with Chivas, his interviews, etc. I dont think he would just piss off like that. Especially when we were one of the few clubs that even considered bringing him overseas. I dont want to overemphasize the fact that I think he feels a sense of wanting to repay the club for their faith in him but that's what I feel like I'm doing.
It's hard for me to put him in that mercenary class, feelings aside. His attitude is literally a breath of fresh air. I'm just curious as to what glaring signs there are that you can get from a kid being subbed off that he would just piss off like that.
I would agree that after a certain amount of time of solely being an impact sub, he might intimate that he wants more playing time but as long as Fergie is here (
) I think he'll be more than happy to stay.Chicharito is the first name on the team sheet for Mexico, one of the world's strongest footballing nations and one that has outperformed England among others in recent years. He was the star of the Copa Oro played a huge part in us winning the title and getting to the European Cup final last year and is recognised as one of the best strikers on earth by many e.g. Andre Villas Boas.
If Chicharito finds himself unable to get games at United the big Spanish and Italian clubs would be after him like cats chasing a mouse. Lets not forget that until he signed his contract extension Marca aka the mouth of Florentino were still linking him to Madrid. The idea that Chico would spend his best years on our bench, in spite of how fond he may be of Man Utd, is a little optimistic.
Big clubs want players who score goals and score them on important occasions. Just look at Torres did Chelsea buy him for his build up play? Chicharito is a pure goalscorer and in world football there aren't many of those hence the premiums on the likes of Torres and Carroll. There's no way that Chico would spend the next 5 years sitting on the United bench. If he was nothing more than a sub for us and saw out the last 2 years of his contract in spite of that I'd be stunned. His agent's phone would be blowing up every single day he wasn't in the first XI.
If Chicharito finds himself unable to get games at United the big Spanish and Italian clubs would be after him like cats chasing a mouse. Lets not forget that until he signed his contract extension Marca aka the mouth of Florentino were still linking him to Madrid. The idea that Chico would spend his best years on our bench, in spite of how fond he may be of Man Utd, is a little optimistic.
Big clubs want players who score goals and score them on important occasions. Just look at Torres did Chelsea buy him for his build up play? Chicharito is a pure goalscorer and in world football there aren't many of those hence the premiums on the likes of Torres and Carroll. There's no way that Chico would spend the next 5 years sitting on the United bench. If he was nothing more than a sub for us and saw out the last 2 years of his contract in spite of that I'd be stunned. His agent's phone would be blowing up every single day he wasn't in the first XI.
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Much ado about nothing if you ask me. With the number of games a club like United plays in a season, the 3rd striker, whoever he is, will get a bucketload of starts. Its the 4th choice striker that needs to think about whether its worth staying on just to come off the bench. With us, there is one 1st choice striker ie Rooney and 2 2nd choices, welbeck and hernandez.
This is basically saying he would be frozen out. That's a different story. With our squad rotation, even if he was third choice, he would still get a good amount of games. Like Varun said, it's if he was 4th choice like Berba. Think we've all got a bit caught up in the hypotheticals. I dont see any reason for him not to be getting that many games.
Signs? do I need signs?
I think he's simply too good a player to accept being an impact sub. I think you put too much faith into the "I want to repay them" argument.
I agree with all of this.
My point is he was subbed off. I'm sure he wanted to play the full 90 but didn't. It's different than just coming off the bench.
In regards to the impact sub argument, on second thought, it's possible I miscontrued what you meant specifically meant by impact sub. I guess you've viewed it as only gets the odd game type thing which I did not. This is fine. Cant really argue with that but at the same time, I dont think he would cause much of a storm if he was troubled about playing time. That depends how bad he wants to be here versus regular football. His agent responds to his demands so it wouldn't matter if the other clubs were coming in for him provided that he wanted to stay.
The real question is... will he / should he start again against our scouse friends this weekend?
Only Ferguson knows, to be honest.
Welbeck played well at Chelsea, but Hernandez changed the game when he came on.
Welbeck's form is good, but Hernandez proved he's back to his best and if Welbeck doesn't start on Saturday it's only because of Chicharito's form.
Welbeck played well at Chelsea, but Hernandez changed the game when he came on.
Welbeck's form is good, but Hernandez proved he's back to his best and if Welbeck doesn't start on Saturday it's only because of Chicharito's form.
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If there's one thing, you cant fault for the boy for his attitude. Fantastic. Would love for him and Welbeck to become our legendary strikers in years to come. We are truly blessed
I think he should. Liverpool will pack their defence and his movement in the box will be vital.
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