Javier Hernandez | 2010/11 Performances

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I actually haven't seen all that much of bibotelli in the serie a but whatever I have seen till now is underwhelming.
 
Its weird. They are both completely different types of forwards. No idea how one would compare them.

Attitude wise there is no comparison.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I actually haven't seen all that much of bibotelli in the serie a but whatever I have seen till now is underwhelming.
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Problem is very much in his head not lack of talent. But we've seen this from many a player over the years.He'll get it right one day when he learns, like Hernandez, to be at one with himself and enjoy the game and be thankful of the opportunity that millions would crave
 
Balotelli does have more ability on the ball than Hernandez does. He can dribble with the best when he has to and his first touch can be exquisite some times.

But everything taken into account, I don't think there would be a manager in the world who'd prefer Balotelli to Hernandez in their squad.
 
He can't dribble like Messi

I'm not sure there's much to debate though. if you had a choice of over, only a plonker wouldn't choose Hernandez
 
Striker10 said:
He can't dribble like Messi

I'm not sure there's much to debate though. if you had a choice of over, only a plonker wouldn't choose Hernandez
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Why does Messi have to be compared to every talent that emerges? it's not the only barometer for a successful or even great future player
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Problem is very much in his head not lack of talent. But we've seen this from many a player over the years.He'll get it right one day when he learns, like Hernandez, to be at one with himself and enjoy the game and be thankful of the opportunity that millions would crave
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There is no guarantee he'll get his act together. Many don't.

Where is this sublime skill gone to in his time in England though? He barely ever takes on a defender.
 
What I love most about Chico is his ability to make run after run, after run. And he's not just running for the sake of it, the timing and quality of his runs are on a different planet and it's something you can't really teach. Gem of a footballer, could spend the 90 mins watching him on his own. And Scholesy
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Why does Messi have to be compared to every talent that emerges? it's not the only barometer for a successful or even great future player
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Its funny, I remember when he first signed and most of us hadnt seen him play. There were several different accounts posted up of Mexican football fans take on Hernandez. They all seemed to start off with "Well he cant dribble like Messi"

I could tell right then that he was going to be an awful player and a terrible waste of money
 
Amir said:
Lovely. Let's do it then! :smirk:
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Oh, we would. Trouble is personally I find myself drifting towards the crowd who believe Real will go through.

Commadus said:
Hernandez mentioned that his work off the ball made his work on the ball that much easier in the sense that he was always ready and waiting for a chance and when it comes he has as little to do as possible to score but that it shouldn't detract from all the build up play. People see the tap in or header but they rarely see the dashes, sprints, steps, twists etc to enable him to be at the right spot at the right time so often.
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On a related note, a very quick and diminutive (also insanely good) forward I used to play with would use other players from either team to shield himself from defenders' sightlines. We've all probably known someone who does this. Wouldn't be surprised if Hernandez looks to do the same on occasion.

There's also this youtube vid where Michael Jordan (yes, different sport, but I think there's some overlap) talks about how when he didn't have the ball he was always looking at three things: the man with the ball, and two defenders' eyes - those of the man marking him, and the man nearest to where he was going to move. Basically where and when their line of sight doesn't converge is where you move to create the most disruption, regardless of whether you receive the ball or not, because simply by moving there, you draw that second man's attention which means he's not looking where he's supposed to look. If you don't get the ball, you move back out and look to rinse and repeat. It's stuff we all know, but it speaks volumes about that dedication to fundamentals that all great players tend to exhibit.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Why does Messi have to be compared to every talent that emerges? it's not the only barometer for a successful or even great future player
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because he (Red Indian) said he can dribble with the best which I don't think is accurate. He has that ability but right now he's not all that good at it. What is impressive, is his goals return and that's about it. Skills aside, he's a liability. Bascilly it's night and day when you compare them in terms of what matters.

We now have someone with speed in behind, something we've not had since Saha left and it's benefitting Rooney and it'll benefit the wingers as our forwards won't make the same runs. I like Balotelli, would have liked him at one point but in hindsight I think we can be pleased
 
We're so shit at corners the ball will probably never reach him anyway.
 
He's a poacher, anything knocked goal wards and having disrupted the keeper, he's in prime position

When the box is loaded, you want you big headers from the back attacking it anyway
 
I suppose the thinking might be that we prefer the more powerful headers to be the main targets, and have Hernandez in and around the six yard box to be alert for any rebounds.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
Fergie always seems to give a "poacher" that role at corners, even if they're good in the air.

Andy Cole used to do it, then it was van Nistelrooy and now it's Hernandez's role at corners.
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probably because if theres any scraps to be had in and around that area you want a 'finisher' there at the ready.

Although lets be honest, you need to beat the first man for that to be even possible.
 
I think what is going to make Chicha great is not just the runs he makes and his positioning but also his pace. The latter could give him the advantage when comparing other great strikers we have had - eg RVN, Cole and OGS.
 
^To be fair Cole was very quick. I'd be surprised if Hernandez was faster.
 
Football | Barclays Premier League | Wenger admits failure in Hernandez bid | ESPNSTAR.com

Arsene Wenger has revealed Arsenal were interested in Javier Hernandez, but were pipped by Manchester United to his signature.

Hernandez's outstanding debut season at United has taken many by shock, especially considering he was a virtual unknown prior to last year's FIFA World Cup.

United's scouting network certainly paid off when they secured a deal for Mexican forward Javier Hernandez midway through last season, long before other clubs took notice of his talent.

The 22-year-old has not looked back since netting an unorthodox debut goal in the FA Community Shield win over Chelsea at Wembley, now on course to break 20 for the season.

Wenger maintains the diminutive former Guadalajara frontman was "on our radar" before his £7million switch to Old Trafford, which the Arsenal manager feels has helped free up Wayne Rooney.

"Hernandez has been exceptional, and had a great season," Wenger told reporters.

"Hernandez plays more the runner and Rooney more the playmaker, which suits Manchester United."

Arsenal have a poor record against United, winning only once in the past 11 meetings, which have included two in the Champions League semi-finals.

Wenger, though, believes Arsenal have closed the gap on Sir Alex Ferguson's experienced men, even if that has not been reflected in their respective points tallies of recent campaigns.

"This game was targeted as being a decider for the championship, it certainly will not be, but we still have to give absolutely everything," the Arsenal manager said.

"It is important for us to show some fighting spirit, some fighting attitude and some pride - there is more at stake on Sunday than just the mathematics."

While Arsenal were still considered title contenders as recently as last week, Wenger is wary that there is a chance their season could completely collapse, which could even see them miss out on Champions League qualification.

Indeed now, FA Cup finalists Manchester City - who would be just two points behind if they win a match in hand - are ready to take advantage of any more off days in Arsenal's remaining four games.

A late rally from arch-rivals Tottenham could also challenge the Gunners' right for more than a decade of playing among Europe's elite.

Wenger is determined that cannot happen.

"We will be faithful to the attitude we have shown all season and we want to finish in the Champions League, which is not decided yet," Wenger told Arsenal TV Online.

"We really have to watch Manchester City, because that [third place] is not done - even to be in the top four is not done.

"We have absolutely to fight like mad.

"It is not a massive concern, but if Tottenham come back, Manchester City will drop because they play each other or Chelsea will drop.

"Our focus is to win the games.

"We want to finish as close as possible to the top, it would be a shame not to do that."

Wenger added: "Also if we win our games, you never know. If we can beat Manchester United, we come back to six points and after they play Chelsea, you never know they can be under pressure again.

"It is important for us to show we can beat them, and I am convince we will."

Wenger, though, insists while he is focussed on delivering the required performances over the final four matches, transfer dealings are never far from his thoughts.

"We always have names in mind because we have our scouting reports from all over the world every week," the Arsenal manager said.

"It is too early to speak about that because it is important to focus highly on the end of the season."

Defender Thomas Vermaelen returned to action with the Arsenal reserves in Thursday night's goalless draw at Old Trafford in what was his first appearance since the end of August after a niggling Achilles problem suffered on international duty.

The Belgian centre-back has been sorely missed, and now feels ready to help the team in their closing fixtures.

"I'm fit at the moment, I feel great and, in training, I don't feel any problems. So physically I feel good," Vermaelen told The Official Website of Arsenal Football Club | Arsenal.com.

"It's up to the boss, he makes the decisions. I'm available at the moment so I hope I will be back in the squad soon and that is my target."

Vermaelen added: "It's always good to be back on the pitch and your first game after a long injury is always special.

"It's been a hard time, a difficult time and I'm happy to be back now."
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Wenger loves doing this.

I could have gotten this one, and that one, and and that one.
 
Actually, there are no quotes on that, only mention that he was on their radar. As about 100 other players. But ok, it's good to laugh at Wenger: :lol:

He thinks he's cool saying that...
 
TBF pretty complaimentary of Chico and United.

Although its been like that since Wenger and SAF decided to bury the axe and have a love in.
 
Mark Lawrenson on Manchester United Why Wayne Rooney and Jabier Hernandez chemistry can fire United to Premier League and Champions League glory - Mark Lawrenson - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Once upon a time it was Best and Law. Then there was Cole and Sheringham.

Now a new double act has emerged as the star turn at Old Trafford and they could lead Sir Alex Ferguson’s side to the Premier League and Champions League titles.

There has been talk this season of the English top-flight lacking real star quality compared to La Liga. Yet there was no doubting the most impressive and entertaining performance in Europe this week.

Although Schalke 04 were perhaps the most ordinary team I have ever seen in a Champions League semi-final, Manchester United were immense.

And the key to the win, and club’s recent superb form, was the almost telepathic understanding between Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez.

In the past 13 games in which they have featured, the pair have scored 16 goals – eight each.

The partnership has come together relatively late because record signing Dimitar Berbatov had such a strong start to the season. Fergie couldn’t play all three strikers.

But the 22-year-old Mexican is now playing so well that Rooney has labelled him “the buy of the century” and United can’t afford to leave him out.

When Rooney gets the ball in his deeper-lying role, the *movement of Hernandez has been just *brilliant.

He very, very rarely gets caught offside, he is quick and h understands how to run off the shoulder of the last defender.

And Rooney knows where to find him.

The partnership has also given yet another lease of life to Ryan Giggs.

When Rooney dropped deep to get on the ball against Schalke, the Welshman constantly made runs from midfield and scored in the end.

The fascinating thing for me is that Rooney’s virtuoso performance came a year after his injury against Bayern Munich in the same competition.

It has taken him 12 months – and a poor World Cup campaign and his transfer saga – to get back into his stride.

Rooney made himself look daft with his request to leave but he has now manned up to his mistake and said that most *important word: ‘Sorry’.

I don’t mind that. He’s taken responsibility and has been forgiven by the United faithful.

Hernandez just seems such a nice lad – like a *character in a Roy of the Rovers-style comic strip who comes in from abroad and takes the country by storm.

He just loves to play – there is no *nastiness to him – and he thrives on scoring goals.

For a striker who is also quite slight, the Little Pea is great in the air.

I think one thing that has really helped him settle into such a big club was that his dad was a pro footballer who was good enough to be part of Mexico’s 1986 World Cup squad.

If you are used to being around footballers at the top level, it is just easier to adapt. Once you have got over the comparisons, I think it gives players a real advantage.

When United play *Barcelona in the *Champions League final, Fergie’s men will try be *positive.

You can try to use the dark arts, like Real Madrid in midweek, but I think the best way to get at Barca is to use pace and width.

With United’s second leg against Schalke done and dusted, Fergie can field his strongest team against Arsenal tomorrow.

But I can still see the Gunners getting a point because United don’t bomb you with the ball into the box - they play you at football and that is something the Gunners can cope with.

And the pressure is also off Arsene Wenger’s side.

United know they can beat Arsenal but they also know that, on their day, Arsenal can defeat them.

And that is the *difference to playing Schalke.
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Hernandez has now effectively ended the need for 4-5-1 as he can be the '1' and when required, Rooney can and does, drop back to form part of the midfield '5'
 
His performance was very average today really. He didn't get much into the game, and that may have been the fault of a midfield too willing to concede possession. But, the few touches he had were pretty uninspiring.
 
He comes to life when the midfield plays well, today the midfield was invisible & Hernandez did very little in the game as he was often isolated. Almost got onto the end of a Valencia cross but other than that he had a poor game.
 
Didn't get into the game at all today. Still very patchy in his hold up play which meant the midfield was under constant pressure. Looked a bit jaded at times. It might be better that he sits Schalke out which might mean he's fresh for the Chelsea game.
 
We managed to score just 1 goal in the last 4 league games with Chicharito and Rooney up front: Bolton, Newcastle, Everton and Arsenal. That's a very poor return.

They have been great as a partnership in the other competitions, not as great in the Premiership though.
 
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