His chances were not easy yesterday, always a tight angle. With a bit more luck, he would have scored. Giggs had better chances though, and Rooney is absolutely amazing behind him
Javier Hernandez | 2010/11 Performances
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By the looks of this, he will not be playing with the squad for the summer tour.
So you mean his finishing not counting his goals. Good one.
Another gennius who in another thread says he thinks Balotelli is a better player and then comes out with statements like this.
Good god.
Yes but you clearly know what I mean.
Ok, I'll just sum it up as 'I think he can improve his finishing, there's still room for improvement there, it's not the finished article, he can have even more goals. I've seen him miss chances that if he was a little calmer which will come with maturity he would put away.'
That's all. Not controversial at all.
...and Balotelli has more ability than Hernadez in my opinion. If he starts giving a feck he could be a world beater but thankfully he has half a braincell.
Good God indeed.
Different players, with contrasting qualities.
That doesn't mean you can't say who has more ability at the end of the day.
Nani is a different player to Wayne with contrasting qualities but I can easily say Rooney has more ability.
I think based on what we have all seen of Hernandez and Balotelli your statements are frankly bizarre.
Also, I recommend you do what what was suggested to you earlier and look at Hernandez's conversion rate before coming out with your pithy criticism's of him. His conversion rate is, I believe, the best in world football at the moment so what do you want a 100% conservion rate?
Good God.
Exactly, you don't know what Balotelli is capable of and haven't watched him at Inter, he's shown to me personally his ability is higher than Hernandez. I never said it was based on this season.
So you think Hernandez finishing is perfect? It can't be improved? It can't get better than this?
I'm not insulting the lad, he's excellent. I just think it can still improve in certain situations and it will improve. He can get even more goals.
Think your argument is very negative and a little simplistic Boss.
The Italian league is a completely different level to the Prem and that level is a lot lower. You judge Balotelli on last season but I would imagine you haven't seen much of little peas last season in Mexico? Certainly playing for his country his goals tend to be great finishes after through balls where his speed leaves the defence helpless. This season almost all his goals for us have been close range as the Prem very quickly learnt of his pace and most teams play a lot deeper against United than Mexico anyway.
To me the most amazing thing about Hernandez is the speed in which he has adapted his game and his strengths and he is now a lot stronger as well. With him you get the speed, movement, awareness and finishing that is pretty unique at this level. Yes there is room for improvement but only slightly in a couple of aspects and I'd rather have him as a partner to Rooney than any other player in world football at the moment.
Just because Balotelli is more technically talented than Hernandez is still doesn't mean he's near him. It's too simplistic to just look at who has more ability on the ball, as if you do you're missing everything that Hernandez is about. His movement, attitude, workrate and overall effectiveness makes him comfortably outshine Balotelli at this moment. Ask any manager who they would rather have and I reckon they will all say Hernandez.
Those criticising his finishing overall seems a tad strange too. Obviously it wasn't his day in front of goal yesterday but if you're judging it simply from this season he's still our best finisher by quite a distance, and before the match last night the statistics echoed this. He just had an off day in front of goal, no need to look any further into it.
Those criticising his finishing overall seems a tad strange too. Obviously it wasn't his day in front of goal yesterday but if you're judging it simply from this season he's still our best finisher by quite a distance, and before the match last night the statistics echoed this. He just had an off day in front of goal, no need to look any further into it.
Not really worthy of a new thread this but if you watch the celebrations from Rooney's goal it's evident how much they appreciate each other. What a partnership!
Hernandez's greatest quality that I seen yesterday was his balance and ability to almost always get off a shot. He was unlucky not to bag a few last night. Even the greatest strikers will meet a keeper in great form and have a few shots wide. I'd still stick with him and Rooney up front for the remaining important games!
I'd like to know what everyone is basing this on?
He was also up against a fantastic keeper, who deserves credit instead of Hernandez getting criticised. He still consistently hit the target when given a chance (apart from one effort, inches wide of the post) and finished the offside chance brilliantly. As Fergie said, that was important because it punctured Neur's aura of invincibility.
Yep exactly, says enough of his finishing ability overall that I consider last night as an off-day. He still hit the target and finished brilliantly like you mentioned.
You can tell more about a striker when he's not scoring than when he does. I recall OGS taking the blame for not finishing Dortmund at OT when he had innumerable chances.It was probably the first time he was anything but unerring but he picked himself up and carried on scoring.
Hernandez showed last night that he has great mental strength to keep plugging away.One has to remember that this is still something of a novice striker at this level
Hernandez showed last night that he has great mental strength to keep plugging away.One has to remember that this is still something of a novice striker at this level
He's brilliant. Have him any day over Balotelli. He compliments Rooney better and gives the team a whole new dimension. And this season he's dwarfed Mario 'how I wear this?' Bibotelli.
Hernandez is great. Teams will be aware of him but they're struggling and that will only give us more space to play as they worry about him in behind. He's didn't score but he was unlucky on the night. We can have no complaints really. People said he was a better sub at one point. I think he's shitted on that. Hopefully there's a fair few goals in him before now and the seasons end
Give me Hernandez over Balotelli any day.
Can't understand why this is even up for debate
I've seen Balotelli do things with the ball that make me shake my head in disbelief, it's why he's such a cocky feck, he knows how good he is, dismissing it because it has come in Serie A is also a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Regardless it doesn't really matter who has more ability,it matters who is producing more and that is by far Hernandez.
All I've really suggested is that Hernan can still improve his finishing. He's 22. Of course he can. He could have had a hatrick yesterday with a little more composure.
Mate when he's on his game he's the complete package.
Set pieces, ability to beat players, passing and vision.
You remember that ball when he set Zlatan through on goal against us at Old Trafford, the technique was sooooo difficult to pull off but he made it look so easy.
Remember he's 20 years old, when and if he starts actually giving a feck more I'd truly fear Balotelli.
I get where you're coming from on the 'potential' front but I think you're undervaluing Hernandez's strengths and in turn his potential. If that makes sense?
As for the part about teams fearing Balotelli in future, thats only IF he changes his act pronto and then develops to his full potential, given his history and character, thats a very big if. Teams already fear Hernandez, that's the difference, hence people have taken exception to your comment about Balotelli being more talented. They both have different sets of strengths but the difference is, Hernandez is already producing. Not to mention that Balotelli cost City 4 times as much and no doubt relatively high wages. Easy to see why people will pick Hernandez every time.
But N'Gog over Hernandez still though....but then that does kind of go without saying
*waves at RAWK*
I agree mostly.
Ultimately Hernan is producing and Balotelli is faffing around and that's what is truly important.
Balotelli may never fulfill his potential, just continue to show glimpses while Hernandez is already coming up with the goods consistently.
It shouldn't even be up for discussion.
Ask a VC what would they prefer an A class team with a B class business idea or a B class team and an A class business idea. No surprise they always bank with the A class team - it's the same with Balotelli he has an A class talent but a B class application /mindset.
How many bad boy mental footballers have reformed their ways to become world beaters - the same was said about Adriano and look what happened to him. Some players are destined to waste their talent whilst others will maximise whatever they have. The few excpetional players have both talent and application.
How many bad boy mental footballers have reformed their ways to become world beaters - the same was said about Adriano and look what happened to him. Some players are destined to waste their talent whilst others will maximise whatever they have. The few excpetional players have both talent and application.
Adriano's case is different from Telli's.
Adriano became a screw up later in his life like Ronalindho and the Brazilian Ronaldo.
Balotelli is still 20.
I have seen Herandez do things off the ball I have never seen before. The guy is an absolute genius when he doesn't have the ball at his feet.
It's absolutely no contest. I don't think any striker is at the same level as Hernandez in the Premier League. He is, and I don't say this lightly, amazing.
Have you ever seen anyone time so many runs as good as he does? It's special, it's a gift.
Hernandez mentioned that his work off the ball made his work on the ball that much easier in the sense that he was always ready and waiting for a chance and when it comes he has as little to do as possible to score but that it shouldn't detract from all the build up play. People see the tap in or header but they rarely see the dashes, sprints, steps, twists etc to enable him to be at the right spot at the right time so often.
His off the ball movement and runs in behind remind me of Andy Cole.
I see where you're coming from, but it's not about who has the most technical ability, being a striker is all about making the most of your respective talents.
Berbatov has more technical ability than Hernandez as does Ballotelli but what good is such ability if it cannot be maximised to benefit the effectiveness of your team.
Owen is another example similar to Hernandez, not technically brilliant but his record speaks for itself.
The problem with Ballotelli is not his talent but his ego. He believes he is better than everybody else and therefore puts himself before the team.
He reminds me of Antonio Cassano, another incredible talent whose attitude has prevented his massive potential from ever being fulfilled. At present I fully expect Ballotelli's career to follow a similar path.
Hernandez is not only 10 times the player hes 10 times the person Spazotelli is.
At the same time, nothing will frighten Madrid and Barcelona's defence more than seeing Hernandez in the lineup. It might be a bit of a risk due to midfield, but we'll have a lot more success in opening up their defence.
Also, I can only speak for myself but its like if Hernandez misses a good chance, while I'm a little dissappointed I realise that he's almost certain to create another couple of good chances with his movement. And the vast majority of the time he'll make up for the miss. So in the back of my mind its almost as if I'm just waiting for him to make up for it, knowing he will.
And his closing down yesterday... As good as Tevez Vs. Barcelona? It was a special quality that Tevez brought to the table and it should not have been undervalued. But it seems Hernandez wants to do something similar. Another string to his bow
And his closing down yesterday... As good as Tevez Vs. Barcelona? It was a special quality that Tevez brought to the table and it should not have been undervalued. But it seems Hernandez wants to do something similar. Another string to his bow
They are going to control the midfield regardless of how many midfielders we are going to play anyway. With Hernandez in the side, we have better chances on the counter.
Hernandez has intangibles, things you almost cannot teach.
He might never develop a consistently soft touch.
Doesn't freakin' matter. He knows where the ball is going to be before just about everyone else on the pitch does and he has the speed to make sure he gets there too.
When you give someone those sort of abilities, it doesn't matter if they have two left feet, he's shown he can score with his face.
Literally!
He might never develop a consistently soft touch.
Doesn't freakin' matter. He knows where the ball is going to be before just about everyone else on the pitch does and he has the speed to make sure he gets there too.
When you give someone those sort of abilities, it doesn't matter if they have two left feet, he's shown he can score with his face.
Literally!
OK, this is all mythology as far as I'm concerned and trying to get sense from someone who referes to Ibrahimovic as Zlatan, well, game over.
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