Javier Hernandez | 2010/11 Performances

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It has been a year – and somehow, a short lifetime – since the announcement which led us to ask whether Manchester United were losing their minds as well as their grip on European football. The day after Bayern Munich's Arjen Robben had given last year's Old Trafford Champions League quarter-final second leg a distinctly gloomier complexion than Tuesday night's, United revealed the £6m acquisition of a young Mexican striker who, only 12 months earlier, had been contemplating giving up the game and returning to college education after struggling to make his way at his boyhood club Chivas de Guadalajara.

If it was a choreographed announcement, designed to prove that United could spend money to regain lost European pride, then your correspondent shared some of the scepticism. "A new signing who answers to the nickname of 'Little Pea' might not have the streets of Stretford humming with expectation in the aftermath of Champions League elimination," was my script from one year ago. Well, the streets were certainly humming after the 22-year-old's 18th goal in only his 20th Manchester United start against Chelsea on Tuesday prompted Jamie Redknapp's quite reasonable assertion that this is Sir Alex Ferguson's buy of the century.

Ryan Giggs was fairly happy, too. His eyes lit up in the depths of the Old Trafford stadium late on Tuesday when he described the way that Hernandez provides the supreme tactical advantage of creating pockets of space in front of opposing defences, as well as scoring all those goals. "He stretches teams," Giggs explained. "And that's great for the lads behind him because it gives them space to play. He has had a massive effect on the team because Wayne [Rooney] is able to pick up space behind him and [find] space to play and produce performances like tonight. He is really important for his goals – but not only his goals."

As Sir Alex Ferguson has observed, the most extraordinary part of this story was United's ability to quietly steal in and sign Hernandez. They had been trailing him since October 2009 and by 1 April of last year, his ability was public knowledge. Even The New York Times ran a feature on the forward headlined: "Hernandez could be Mexico's next big thing." The agents were circling but United had already concluded their business – knowing that a good World Cup for Hernandez could otherwise mean them losing out. United's head scout Jim Lawlor embarked on a three-week trip to Mexico, watched the striker perform for Chivas and Mexico, and a deal was struck under such cover of secrecy that only the player's father, Javier Snr, knew what was going on. "They told us they were going to Atlanta," the player's grandfather, Tomas, the first of three generations of father and son to have played in World Cups for Mexico, said recently. In fact, Hernandez and his father were in an Old Trafford executive box, watching the Bayern Munich tie.

Ferguson had been right to worry about events in South Africa. Hernandez scored twice and was clocked at 19.98mph, making him the fastest player in the tournament and United's players were immediately struck by what they saw. Ferguson thought Hernandez would need time – a season perhaps – but Paul Scholes thought differently. He saw Hernandez in pre-season training, caught the manager's eye and boldly declared: 25 goals. Giggs remembers that moment, too. "It seemed in pre-season that he was a born goalscorer; a similar scenario to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, where he scores important goals and wants to score important goals," he said. The Independent's Lee Dixon was the first newspaper writer to observe what might be about to unfold. Spooling back the tapes of United's Community Shield win over Chelsea to prepare his BBC analysis, Dixon saw something.

"You could see the look on JT's face," Dixon wrote in this newspaper. "There were times when he was just hanging on, Hernandez was always trying to drag him out of position. The only reason Hernandez did not have a greater impact on the game was simply because he did not get the ball that much." We were witnessing a player with "the ability to be better than Ronaldo", Dixon wrote.

It was his temperament that raised doubts. Not in the way that Rooney's does but because Hernandez's upbringing, amid the bucolic delights of Guadalajara, is so far removed from a Croxteth boyhood – or from Federico Macheda's formative years in the poverty of Rome's rundown Ponte di Nona district. Hernandez simply has not known much struggle and after more than two years without a goal for Chivas, despite an ascetic lifestyle, he thought his football days were over. His father recalls a breakfast meeting at a restaurant between parents, son and agent, which was supposed to be a discussion on how best to move his football career on, turning into a counselling session. "He doubted himself; he doubted he was capable of playing in the first division," said Javier Snr.

Hernandez has sometimes been in too much of a rush – his former youth coach Professor Marco Fabian remembers him getting out of the car so quickly in his rush to get to training that he fell flat on his face – but in his only career crisis he put his faith in his parents. Ferguson considers them critical to his rapid adjustment. Three generations of footballers "gives a tradition to the family which he does not want to fail and pushes him to give his best", the manager said recently.

Hernandez certainly doesn't look like an individual wracked by inner doubts. La Sonrisa (the beaming smile) is a quality one Mexican publication was enthusing about only this week in its own analysis of why Hernandez has succeeded here. The Mexicans are also amused, incidentally, by the English struggling with pronunciation of "Chicharito" – the nickname behind his personal merchandise whirlwind. We saw the grin at its widest after the headed goal against Stoke City, which was well timed in more ways than one. It came only four days after Rooney had questioned whether United could still afford world-class players. Coincidentally, Hernandez commanded the cover of the United match programme the night Rooney went public with his doubts.

There are not too many complaints in the United commercial department, where Hernandez is concerned. The production run of "Chicharito" replica shirts last year was supposed to satisfy Mexican demand for a full year. They had sold out inside two months and United have recently overtaken Barcelona as Nike's most popular team in Mexico. The shirt production run will increase by 300 per cent this summer.

No one will blame Rooney for badgering Ferguson to play Hernandez on Saturday against Manchester City – a game which he, unlike Rooney, is very likely to start. Having scored nine of his 13 goals this season when Hernandez has been creating those pockets, Rooney knows his value. Manuel Lapuente, a former coach of the Mexican national team counselled this week against excessive expectations. "You have to leave him, let him grow, continue with these achievements and hope that these achievements keep continuing," he said. But Hernandez has come a long way in a year. He remains a young man in a tearing hurry.

Buy of the century? Why 'Little Pea' is a huge hit at United - Premier League, Football - The Independent

Nice little piece on Hernandez. Apologies if it's already been posted.

The bolded part is interesting, I thought. i
 
So, back to thread topic...
After Hernandez plays on Saturday can we expect him to play again on Tuesday? Sweet pea's strength and fitness seems to be improving by the week but are two games in three games asking too much? Think I'd prefer rooney/berba to start against the barcodes with chico on as a late sub if needed.
 
Decotron just shat all over Brophs.

Anyway, yeah I think we should rooney and berbatov v Newcastle. Hernandez has played a lot recently, and although I doubt it would be too much bother to him to play again, having him on the bench if we need him is the best option imo.
 
I hope you fall in the canal, you dub cnut.

Falling into canal in Dublin is the working class equivalent of the antiques road show. Who wouldn’t want a Quinnsworth trolley from the 90’s?

Where I’m from we have real rivers, none of that man-made shite.

Less of Dublin racism, Moses will set you straight, Zebra probably deserves it!
 
Give it a rest, eh lads?

You've both had your say and it's going nowhere.

In fairness, I made a complete tit of myself when I basically called him an overweight piece of shit with absoultely no basis whatsoever! So I tried to give as good as I got and I think we both got nowhere, that's what I'm saying anyway. And the last few pages of the thread have been completely derailed by my rant so that's my fault too!

I think the point of my first post was completely glossed over, and rightly so, by my over-reaction to a bit of banter so apologies to Sharky and whoever else thought I was a tit. All I want now is a big result tomorrow!
 
Can someone clean this thread up please mods? Came to read about Javier hernandez. I am usually not the type to complain about a thread, but I have no idea what i am reading the last few pages. Is it easy to delete pages?
 
I'm going to start temp banning bitch slappers in threads in the United forum.

Just so you all know that.
 
perhaps bitchy slappers would have been better.

I was just trying to sound hard and all. :(

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:lol: That's brilliant.

Now, could someone kindly explain to me what the hell 'baller' is?

From Urban Dictionary

A thug that has "made it" to the big time. Originally refered ball players that made it out of the streets to make millions as a pro ball player, but now is used to describe any thug that is living large.

Pain is a part of the game when you're a baller.
 
Ok let's start with me being an "armchair" fan.

https://www.redcafe.net/f6/all-tick...outing-will-not-tolerated-302323/index55.html

That link above is the ticketing thread, have a wee look at how many times my name appears there pal. I'm up there as one of the best contacts on this site as far as helping fellow reds out with ticketing, where's your fecking name? Ask MagicUnited, Rood, 42euros, RobBowman, shaydun, Robin and many many others who I've sorted with tickets for big games like semis, aways, euro aways, home games etc if I'm an "armchair fan".

Next onto the "fat & bald" and "never touched a ball in his life" part:

https://www.redcafe.net/f7/i-want-your-football-team-pics-325357/index2.html

Check the top 2 posts on that page pal. I've played in the conference in England (Altrincham FC Official Web Site Archived News search for the name "Harkness" as proof) and in Division 2 in Sweden with Anders Limpar as my gaffer (United signar benknäckare | Svenskafans.com paste that article into google translate as proof).

So before you try to character assassinate a guy you've never met because of a small joke regarding the American term "baller", have a wee think.

Now my guess on you judging by your posts is that you're a spotty wee teenager with an attitude problem. I've shown you my cards, now you fecking show me yours!
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Errrrr, I came to find out the latest gossip on our boy wonder and instead feel like I have walked into handbags @ Dawn. But no high heels please. At least let us all knaw there might be a scrap. I'm always game for abit of hair pulling and breaking false nail extensions.

Meanwhile, back in the city, what's the latest on our man boy wonder?
 
Fergie has found his Lineker

Getting back on topic:

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson feels he has found his own Gary Lineker in the shape of Mexican sensation Javier Hernandez.

Hernandez arrived in the summer in a deal worth little over £6million and he was not expected to make a huge impact this term - but that is exactly what he has done with 18 goals already to his name.

Ferguson has now admitted that Hernandez is easily comparable to England legend Lineker, who was the archetypal poacher.

"Lineker probably never scored a good goal in his life,' said United boss Ferguson.

"I really didn't expect Hernandez to have this impact."
Sir Alex Ferguson Quotes of the week

"It would always come off his chest, his shin or it would get a rebound off the goalkeeper. But he was always in really good areas and positions."

Ferguson admits the signing from Guadalajara has shocked him, adding: "I really didn't expect Hernandez to have this impact.

"As we said to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, we thought his first season would be about integration.

"Solskjaer played in a few reserves games and scored a hat-trick against Leeds. After that (coach) Jim Ryan came to me and said he is a first-team player. We made him a sub the following week against Blackburn and he scored.

"The only advantage for Hernandez was that he'd played in the World Cup so there was a profile attached to him and he had also come from a much tougher domestic competition.

"Hernandez is fantastic at taking up positions inside the penalty box.

"It is natural. He has the instinct to move around and his timing is terrific. There have only been a few top strikers who have had that quality."
Berbatov

Hernandez's impact has meant that Dimitar Berbatov has seen his chances become limited in recent months.

"It is unfortunate for Dimitar because he is a fantastic player," said Ferguson.

"But the reasons are obvious. The emergence of Hernandez in the last couple of months has been startling.

"He is improving all the time and is getting stronger.

"It is very difficult to leave a player out when he hits that kind of form.

"Every manager and every player in the country has faced that situation in their career when someone emerges to challenge you.

"It is the horrible part of being a footballer."

Fergie has found his Lineker | Sky Sports | Football | Premier League | News
 
Cheers. And I didn't realise you had such an infatuation with me, sending me PM's and that. Look, regards my age, make up whatever shit you want, I don't really care at this stage, I know what age I am, I know I'm not in secondary school, I work part-time while I'm in college, hence the reason I'm only on this here and there. I know what standard of football I played at, as I said, I never once said I was big-time, you assumed I thought I was. I played for Kildare County at underage and senior level, then I went onto Pat's at senior level. I'm not saying I'm a better footballer than you, or you're better than me etc. You asked what standard I played at, I told you and I think it's rather pointless dismissing somebody as only playing at "youth level" as some sort of put down.

Well it depends on you're definition of an armchair fan. I go over to OT 7 or 8 times a year, which clearly is feck all, compared to the likes or matchgoers that go day in, day out. But considering I'm from Ireland, I'm still in college, I'm only working part-time, it's not feasible to be going week in week out.

I never used the word "cnut" or "wanker", I accused you of being an armchair fan, which clearly was wrong and as I've said numerous times, I was wrong. You can think you shat all over me, if that makes you feel all high and mighty, then that's fine with me, fire ahead. My original post was having a pop at people that claim to be United fans, yet belittle and berate players like Sheasy, Fletch and before then, Ronaldo, Evra etc. and chant over Sir Alex's victory speech.

Clearly, you're on a seriously high horse if you think you "shamed" me and "thought me a lesson". Christ, that's a bit much. It's similar enough to my complete over exaggeration to your orignial reply! Anyway, think what you like, you can shit all over my life if it makes you feel special. I take back my reply to your post, it was wrong. I'll get back to you when I get the chance again, I actually have to work.



FFS, this is a forum. If everybody's not allowed to have their own opinions, then it defeat the purpose of a forum isn't it? I mean, i do think Fletcher is shit this season, Carrick was hopeless for the last 2 seasons, and Oshea is just a good squad player. Am i not a fan for thinking that way? :confused:
 
I thought we looked a bigger threat when he came on, granted we didn't get a clear cut chance for him but his pace and some skill on the ball had them looking edgier than they have in the 60 minutes before bar the two early sitters.
 
Fair to say he should start everytime with Rooney now in the crunch games.
 
He showed lots of fight when he came on.

I love his mentality. Proper United player and all.
 
Fail to see how Hernandez would have missed both of Berbatov's chances today. In a game like that Berbatov is just too predictable and pedestrian. Sadly, as I've said already every week makes the Rooney/Chicharito partnership indespencable. Thank feck Rooney is back from Tuesday.
 
I can easily see how he'd have missed the first chance (Hart save).

For the second though it's not really a matter of him being in the exact same place and pose as Berba and netting - he'd have been the fastest player on the pitch at the time, he'd have got there quicker and been in a better position to convert.

That's not a slight on Berba.
 
Berbatov kept dropping into the midfield, we really missed Hernandez today. Berbatov is dogshit as a lone striker, he needs a partner.
 
I don't think he would have missed either of those chances Sharky. His finishing is too damn good.

I remember Richard Kingson making a save from a similar 1 on 1 situation againt Blackpool (before he got basically the exact same chance 5 minutes later and scored).

I don't think he'd have had that much more of a chance than Berba with the first chance.

Second he'd have buried purely because he wouldn't have been stretching to get there.
 
I think he would have a much better chance to score than Berbatov though, or any other player in the team for that matter. He is totally calm is such a situation, and he would have put it in the corner. Berbatov's shot was fairly close to Hart even though he was closed down. I would have fancied Hernandez to tap that into the corner. I would have put money on it. Obviously he wouldn't score 100% of the time, but he usually would.
 
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