Javier Hernandez | 2010/11 Performances
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CR(12m, expensive at the time tho), VDS, Park, Evra, Vida, the twins, Hernandez, Smalling.
Most of our signings have been good as well ever since the Djemba2 days.
The summer we bought Djemba we also bought CR. People always point out that period as being proof that Fergie can be shit with transfers. But you can be excused buying 5 Djembas if you buy one Ronaldo.
Twas funny seeing Rooney with his face buried in their nethers.
That pic reminds me of this very captionable one from the first leg. Sadly no Hernandez though:
It looks like some strange stage show like Mamma Mia where they all dance and sing!
Rooney and Park share the lead in the Old Trafford production of The Nutcracker Suite
To say this thread has sidetracked would be a slight understatement.
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I had a big argument with one of my mates the other day who claims to be a huge United fan, yet all he has done for the last 5 years I know him, is criticise United players and transfers. And when I thought about it, he's not alone in being that retarded. A serious, serious number of United fans had the fecking nerve to go against SAF about the whole Tevez saga, with their ridiculous "Sign him up" bullshit and I presume they were the same gobshites that were and still are, draped in green and gold and were bemoaning the fact that our squad was too young and not experienced enought to achieve anything when Fergie made his first real clear out with the likes of Ince, Hughes etc.
What I'm getting at, and you'll see my point and it's relevance to this thread, is that Fergie is a pure and utter genius, the greatest manager the game has ever seen and we don't realise how lucky we are to have him. I'm sure a number of people were complaining that we didn't go hell for leather in the transfer market but we ended up with two serious ballers with huge futures ahead of them, in Smalling and Hernandez. Anytime I see the likes of Hernandez coming true last night or even Giggsy at times, it just all comes back to SAF IMO. The man is unreal, it's ridiculous what he has achieved and he still has the drive to win trophies.
I know this was bit of a rant and possibly the wrong thread but I've been waiting to vent my anger with other United fans for awhile now! And anytime a player like Chico puts in a performance like that, something in the back of my mind always eats away at me. Things like the Tevez chants, the green and gold scarfs, the constant belittling of players like Fletch and Sheasy and Fergie's "lack" of tactical nous. The man never gives up and he is the reason United are what they are. Sorry about that, I take the bait from the lads way too often but I feel much better now!
Back to Hernandez, he's going to be a proper footballer and for me, it's his workrate and ability to make cracking runs time and time again. That's what separates him from all the other good finishers in the game.
What I'm getting at, and you'll see my point and it's relevance to this thread, is that Fergie is a pure and utter genius, the greatest manager the game has ever seen and we don't realise how lucky we are to have him. I'm sure a number of people were complaining that we didn't go hell for leather in the transfer market but we ended up with two serious ballers with huge futures ahead of them, in Smalling and Hernandez. Anytime I see the likes of Hernandez coming true last night or even Giggsy at times, it just all comes back to SAF IMO. The man is unreal, it's ridiculous what he has achieved and he still has the drive to win trophies.
I know this was bit of a rant and possibly the wrong thread but I've been waiting to vent my anger with other United fans for awhile now! And anytime a player like Chico puts in a performance like that, something in the back of my mind always eats away at me. Things like the Tevez chants, the green and gold scarfs, the constant belittling of players like Fletch and Sheasy and Fergie's "lack" of tactical nous. The man never gives up and he is the reason United are what they are. Sorry about that, I take the bait from the lads way too often but I feel much better now!
Back to Hernandez, he's going to be a proper footballer and for me, it's his workrate and ability to make cracking runs time and time again. That's what separates him from all the other good finishers in the game.
Agreed. Forget about the price tags and the reputations. If United had bought two 20 million pound players and they had contributed like Smalling and Hernandez have, with the years and improvement ahead of them like these two have, then we'd be on cloud nine with United's transfers.
great post!
Chanting "Fergie sign him up" over Sir Alex's victory speech a few years ago was disgraceful.
It's actually frightening to think of the amount of goals this lad's gonna score for us in his career. A point reiterated throughout, but one that's still easy to forget, is that this is his 1st season here.
1st season in this division, getting used to the style of play;
1st season at this club, with the rest of the team getting used to his runs etc, and forming partnerships;
1st season in this country in terms of getting settled and accustomed to British life.
He's 22 years old, and will now be learning from the best. His link-up play and ball retention has improved dramatically in the short time he's been here, and he can no doubt improve here even further.
He's got pace, natural goal scoring know-how, a great leap on him, and an unbelievable work rate. To think I thought we may have just got ourselves another 'pacey striker' in the mould of Frazer Campbell and the likes is now completely laughable. I honestly can't wait to watch him develop alongside Rooney in the coming years.
1st season in this division, getting used to the style of play;
1st season at this club, with the rest of the team getting used to his runs etc, and forming partnerships;
1st season in this country in terms of getting settled and accustomed to British life.
He's 22 years old, and will now be learning from the best. His link-up play and ball retention has improved dramatically in the short time he's been here, and he can no doubt improve here even further.
He's got pace, natural goal scoring know-how, a great leap on him, and an unbelievable work rate. To think I thought we may have just got ourselves another 'pacey striker' in the mould of Frazer Campbell and the likes is now completely laughable. I honestly can't wait to watch him develop alongside Rooney in the coming years.
Sorry I stopped reading at the bold. wtf.
Oh gods, I laughed like a maniac at that.
You got a sick mind on you. No need to retort btw, I'm well aware of what this post says about me.
You got a sick mind on you. No need to retort btw, I'm well aware of what this post says about me.
You forgot Bebe.
Tevez didn't do too much wrong either, except want to play as a second striker, the position which Rooney should be in.
If Rooney is out injured, then Berbatov will see action in his favored role.
Personally I would like to see Welbeck played up top when Hernandez isn't starting. I think that Welbeck has the pace and can learn where to make the runs, and Welbeck has the strength and size as a target man which Hernandez lacks.
Just been reading the Carlos Vela thread over at Arsenal-Mania. A lot of them argue that Vela is a superior player to Hernandez but he hasn't been given the same opporuninity to showcase his talents. They say the only reason Hernandez has been more successful than Vela is that he has the right mentality. What say you?
Even if that is true doesn't it pinpoint the fact that Ferguson is a vastly superior man manager than Wenger? He didn't just lump Hernandez into the reserves or the first team, he gradually introduced him to the team. It's only been in the last two months he's been first choice for the big games.
Even if it were true, it's a pretty big reason. It's the difference between Cristiano Ronaldo and Ricardo Quaresma. Vast.
Vela technically.. pretty gifted but his ability to get past players is overrated. He's one footed and physically he isn't as explosive as Hernandez (Pace, Power, Stamina.. he's behind Hernandez in all these respecs), not to mention Chicharito.. if anything it's his reading of the game which sets him apart from your average goal poaching striker with pace. He knows where the ball's going to land, and he is determined as hell to be there at the right place at the right time, again and again.. Vela doesn't seem to have had the same level of drive/potential although if he has a good spell at the Albion, he could establish himself as a decent prem player.
Regardless I don't think he has enough about him to ever make it at Arsenal.
Regardless I don't think he has enough about him to ever make it at Arsenal.
I say they can suck my balls....
Carlos Vela came to Europe years ago....2005 I think.
Since then he has been on loan at
Salamanca
Osasuna
WBA
and of course has played for his parent club.
He has 61 appearances for Arsenal with 11 goals and 6 assists to show for it.
Overall,
130 matches in Europe for a return of 24 goals.
I don't care how skillful he is, Arsene supposedly brings along all these talented kids, so what's been standing in his way? Wilshere, Walcott, Ramsey have all come in, and become Arsenal regulars. Why hasn't the same happened for Vela?
The "right mentality" is a great attribute to have.It makes a huge difference between players.Vela is just weak mentally
Fixed!
Couldn't agree more, more than likely it was gobshites like Sharky7. Standing proud and tall with his green and gold scarf on, roaring to the top of his lungs. They irratate me more than some ABU's if I'm being honest.
Just glory supporters that are as fickle as feck and don't realise what that man has done for this club.
What's your point? Every manager, in ever league, in every country, in every part of the World has made some bad signings. But time and time again, Sir Alex has come up with the goods like Hernandez and he'll go down as the greatest manager the game has ever seen. It's more than likely people like you and Sharky7 are the ones that forget that. Tell me this, were you one of those pretencious idiots that had the nerve, stupidity and ignorance to sing "SIGN HIM UP......." when Sir Alex was making his acceptance speech?
And the funny thing is, those idiots are the ones that are now slating Tevez at every opportunity. Funny that.
Sorry Sharkly, I should've have known. I guess you're one of those stereotypical armchair fans, that's fat, bald and loves his pints, that never touched a ball in his life, that wouldn't get a kick in a stampede and wouldn't know a football if it him in the face. Baller is a footballing term for someone that has proper ability and knows how to play the game, you could take any United player as an example, you see.
I played football at a relatively good standard in League of Ireland but it's piss poor compared to the Championship, never mind the Premiership. However, I'm still aware of the term "baller" and we used it regularly at training if a new fella was on trial or a young lad like myself was coming through. Unfortunately I was never quite good enough to be a "proper baller".
Understand it now?
I agree with most of this, but you seem to be suggesting that everyone wearing green and gold scarves are bad fans, or even glory hunters, which I very much disagree with. There are very real and legitimate reasons to have issues with the owners of the club, and wearing green and gold doesn't mean somebody is moaning about the squad or criticising the players. You're off base there.
You're very unnecessarily aggressive mate, there's no need to jump on people and start slagging them off over nothing.
edit: you should probably assume less about the people you are conversing with, too.
I never suggested that every single fan that wears the green and gold scarf is a glory supporter, or that I am more of a fan than they are. But I do think a serious number of those that do wear it, are doing so because it seems to be a populist thing, such as chanting "SIGN HIM UP" about a player that clearly didn't have respect for the manager, or the club, or the fans. They are so fickle and have such short memories, it's beggars belief. IMO there are true fans of United that will constantly support this club, through thick and thin. My real angst with the whole green and golf campaign is the fact that Sir Alex has time and time again, stated that they have given him everything he has ever asked for. They're businessmen, they aren't going to buy an asset as great as Manchester United and saddle it with the debt, with the hope of running it into the ground. There's no politics with them, they are there to make the business a success and clearly, on the pitch we are doing that. And has that campaign not been based around the whole premise that we don't have money to improve the squad etc? Or the money to buy big name players that are well established? The facts are, some fans were criticising Sir Alex and the Glazers for not spending big but yet again, the likes of Smalling and Chico prove that you do not need to spend €50million on a player.
I know I can fly off the handle at times but both responses I addressed were stupid replies that were just throwing in bullshit with no valid points made unlike your post. That's why I replied in the manner I did and I think the majority of what I said to both of them was and is correct. There might have been a couple of unjust generalisations but I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I don't think I said "every" fan that wears that scarf isn't a proper United fan but idiots like both of them get me riled up so much because I'm a true fan and I love this club. I think it's so wrong that it's mind boggling and people that have the audacity to contradict Sir Alex, IMO, aren't fans.
That was my real point, I know I went off on a serious tangent there but I can be too passionate at times!
He won't suffer from second-season syndrome 
Without derailing this thread completely with Glazer talk, you're again making assumptions about peoples basis for complaint. The fact that the debt used to purchase the club has been loaded on the club and the interest is being funded by the club is not right, and the fact that tens of millions of pounds is being syphoned off every year purely to pay for a debt that we wouldn't have were it not for the owners is something which quite fairly grates with an awful lot of people.
Whether some of those same people have questionable opinions on other matters is by the by, and not related to their opinions on the owners, and so your lambasting of the 'gobshites draped in green and gold' is unfair and basically irrelevant to the main point you were making. You can't tie everyone in green and gold to a set of opinions on other matters, there is no correlation there.
Whilst the responses might not have been what you were hoping for you made assumptions about the people who made them and you were wrong on both counts, there's nothing wrong with emotion or passion as a fan, but there is a very jovial feel to this place and it'd be a shame to lose that, there's no sense in going into attack mode every time someone posts a light hearted reply to a post of yours, that's all.
Vela doesn't offer the penetration like Hernandez does and Hernandez's movement as an attacker is way better.
Vela is a better dribbler no doubt but Hernandez suits us a lot better...
Vela is a better dribbler no doubt but Hernandez suits us a lot better...
Vela is the kind of partner for Hernández, they are not the same kind of player. Hernández is quite more cooler in front of goal, which is one of Vela's problem, or at least has been for the last year or two, and he has shown it with the National Team. Vela is more skillful, but he is not as intelligent as Chicharito, he hasn't got the poaching abilities.
I'm sorry mate but I'd rather campaign for green and cricket...
Can't argue with that!
Look, I'm not saying nobody else on the Caf is entitled to their own opinion other than myself but when the lads are making smart-alecky remarks then I'm going to say something about it. If it was said with tongue-in-cheek or light-heartedly then fair enough but to me, it wasn't. I love a bit of banter, I'm used to over the last 10 years or so and I realise the Caf is somewhere where we can have a bit of craic whilst expressing our opinion and I hope it stays like that from here on out, simple as.
I'm after saying that if I did make that unfair generalisation then I take it back, I was talking about idiots that can't forge their own opinion and are taking the complete populist view of other people around them. Now if someone has a problem with the fact the club is being saddled with debt which it previously hadn't been, and chooses to wear a symbolic scarf in the meantime, then I can understand it but I'm of the opinion that Sir Alex is clearly happy with the situation and therefore, so am I. He is given whatever resources he asks for and they, as successful businessmen, are not going to run the club into the ground. And although I might have been unfair on the lads, to me, the majority of people that had the stupidity to chant, and showed a clear lack of respect for Sir Alex simultaneously, throughout his victory speech are the same "fans" that lambasted Ronaldo, Nani, Vida, Evra, Quiros, Fletcher, Beckham, O'Shea, Berbatov et al, while on the other hand they swooned over Tevez and the Green and Gold campaign. However, if somebody falls into the category you mentioned in bold above, well then clearly I can see what they are saying and I accept that.
My last point on those scarfs. Whatever recession-busting genius came up with the idea of selling those outside OT is a rich man. And I'm sure all his profits went straight into his back pocket, which is quite ironic when you consider their meaning.
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