Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez | West Ham player (there's an open thread in football forum)

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I haven't watched him much, but hasn't he been terrible this year? I heard he went on some massive goal drought.
 
Who are you talking about?

This thread is about Hernandez, you know the little Mexican guy who's a great goal poacher and can score all different types of goals. Many of them were scored coming off the bench also. Ring a bell?
You're talking about the Hernandez who joined United and was very good in his first season or so. I'm talking about the one who couldn't hit a barn door in his last proper season here. 4 goals in 24 league games definitely isn't what we're looking for and I know he only had 6 starts. He was sub in 18 of the 24 but showed almost nothing when he came on never mind score. His days of being a good impact sub were over. - 4 goals in 24 games. Does that ring a bell??
 
You're talking about the Hernandez who joined United and was very good in his first season or so. I'm talking about the one who couldn't hit a barn door in his last proper season here. 4 goals in 24 league games definitely isn't what we're looking for and I know he only had 6 starts. He was sub in 18 of the 24 but showed almost nothing when he came on never mind score. His days of being a good impact sub were over. - 4 goals in 24 games. Does that ring a bell??

So your whole opinion on him as a player is based entirely on his one year under Moyes then yes?

First off you didn't mention anything like that in your posts and secondly thats nonsense. You can't just disregard his whole career before and after that season.

Everyone was shit under Moyes, before that and since he's left he's been very good for Leverkusen and good for Real the year he was there. He's a great poacher of goals and was a great impact player for us off the bench.
 
So your whole opinion on him as a player is based entirely on his one year under Moyes then yes?

First off you didn't mention anything like that in your posts and secondly thats nonsense. You can't just disregard his whole career before and after that season.

Everyone was shit under Moyes, before that and since he's left he's been very good for Leverkusen and good for Real the year he was there. He's a great poacher of goals and was a great impact player for us off the bench.
So your whole opinion on him as a player is based entirely on his one year under Moyes then yes?

First off you didn't mention anything like that in your posts and secondly thats nonsense. You can't just disregard his whole career before and after that season.

Everyone was shit under Moyes, before that and since he's left he's been very good for Leverkusen and good for Real the year he was there. He's a great poacher of goals and was a great impact player for us off the bench.
No my whole opinion isn't based on one year. As someone mentioned he recently went on a 3 month goal drought. If that's true then he's hardly the sort of player we need. We have enough poor finishers already.
 
No my whole opinion isn't based on one year. As someone mentioned he recently went on a 3 month goal drought. If that's true then he's hardly the sort of player we need. We have enough poor finishers already.
He's anything but that. I have no reason why he's going through a goal drought but he's anything but a poor finisher.
 
I loved Chich but you just wonder if he's improved his overall game in his time away, that was the one, singular disappointment with him in his time here, that he never really took his overall game up a level.
If he still hasn't and... I presume he hasn't.. then in my opinion we should try for the next Chicharito instead, so to speak.
 
He's had a bad run but he's still has scored his fair share of goals this season for Leverkusen, whom as a whole haven't been performing really good recently, still I think it's nonsense to write him off just for that just choosing to highlight his bad moments. As a whole he has proved to be a capable goalscorer in Premier League, Bundesliga and the Spanish League and his moments scoring outweigh his bad moments.

He does need service but his overall gameplay isn't as bad as you make it seem like. He's not Lewandowski but in a team with Zlatan and Rashford as the strikers I think Chicharito could fill that huge gap between those strikers as one is in his final seasons and the other is way too young and raw, he would be perfect to have a more balanced squad and a reliable alternative.
 
Chicharito is a specific specialize player - superb at attacking and receiving the balls in the opponent's box, thus he scored a load of goals from doing a lot of those. It's what Mourinho describe as something like "killing goals" or "love to put the balls in the back of the net". Not a lot of players in general have that natural fighting desire and drive.

I want him back :boring: but tbh it's true over the many season he've played for us, he did miss a lot of easy chances too. Still a better output than normal per minutes games than most players mind, and for sure better goal getters than our current players. May not be a great finisher, but for sure a great scorer of goals and good finisher.

Limited he is in his overall play, still crucial imo, his specialties are what we sorely lacks and missing, a lot of points lose this season because we're not capable of "killing" teams. Chicha's constant attacking movements, goals, and reputations would deminish opponent's confidence and moral alone in games, especially against the many lower tier teams which we've mainly struggled.
 
No my whole opinion isn't based on one year. As someone mentioned he recently went on a 3 month goal drought. If that's true then he's hardly the sort of player we need. We have enough poor finishers already.

No mate it sounds like it is, you spouted rubbish that just isn't true of Hernandez in general and then referenced probably his worst season as proof of your opinion.
 
No mate it sounds like it is, you spouted rubbish that just isn't true of Hernandez in general and then referenced probably his worst season as proof of your opinion.
I could say you've been "spouting rubbish" MATE but I'm not like that. I'm not here to prove anything. You have your opinion and I have mine. Leave it at that.
 
I could say you've been "spouting rubbish" MATE but I'm not like that. I'm not here to prove anything. You have your opinion and I have mine. Leave it at that.

You should use the amount of people who also replied to your posts to disagree with you as a gauge of how far your opinion on Hernandez is off mate.

Based on the two statements you made on Hernandez i don't know if you've actually watched him play much, it's either that or it's one of those cases where someone for reasons unknown has built up an irrational dislike of a certain player and as a result severely underrates them.
 
He would have scored at least two with Mkhis chance and a couple of Lingard's chances. And he was a miles better header than any of our current forwards.
 
still hard to believe Van Gaal sold him for a pittance and went into the season with Rooney as our only established striker
 
Surprised to see people saying would start in our side right now ahead of Rashford. Definitely don't agree with that, Chicha might still be the better pure finisher but Rashford is already far superior in passing, link up play and first touch.
He won't come back and we quite frankly we should be aiming for a better player anyway.
I'm sure he'll go off to MLS or something and get paid very well for it.
 
I get annoyed at people saying he wasn't that good for us or that he was shit after this first season. Here's a breakdown:

1st season: scored 20, was great and we won the league and got to the CL final
2nd season: admittedly pretty shit but he was injured for a lot of it, still scored 12 in 36
3rd season: scored 18 and was contending with Rooney and RVP at this point, had a good season
4th season: scored 9 in a season where our top scorer was Rooney with 19. Again playing second fiddle to Rooney and RVP and under a shit manager with an underperforming team

Then he went to Madrid, had a decent loan spell and was popular with Madrid fans, and we barely ever played him again (5 appearances).

I'm not saying I want us to sign him again, I think that ship has sailed. But he was a very handy player for us and if we did have him now I do think we'd have a few more points on the table. He puts away chances that we have failed to put away this season, simple as that. Also worth noting that he scored a lot of winners with us, often coming from the bench to score a goal that we really needed.
 
Hernandez was one of my favourite Utd players; he genuinely seemed to love the club. I was so pissed off when LVG forced him out. If he's okay with being back up again I would take him back in a heartbeat.
 
Would have loved him to stay , but we have moved on and need to stick to our new guys
 
Doesn't get as much appreciation as he deserves I think. Has scored everywhere he has played. England, Spain, Germany and at the International level
 
Doesn't get as much appreciation as he deserves I think. Has scored everywhere he has played. England, Spain, Germany and at the International level
Depends how much you think he deserves. Everyone knows his strengths (aerial game, movement, mobility) and his weaknesses (technique), and recognises that he's a striker only good enough to come off the bench for a trophy-challenging team.
 
Depends how much you think he deserves. Everyone knows his strengths (aerial game, movement, mobility) and his weaknesses (technique), and recognises that he's a striker only good enough to come off the bench for a trophy-challenging team.
That doesn't exactly tie in with him being a regular starter and our leading scorer in his first season here.
 
LVG was a clueless pleb. If he had his way, Herrera would have been sold too.
 
That doesn't exactly tie in with him being a regular starter and our leading scorer in his first season here.
He wasn't our leading goalscorer, and I don't think we had a strong team in the 10-11 season. Certainly not to the level you could expect from a side that wins the PL and finishes runner-up in the CL nowadays. That aside, he only had more starts than Berbatov in the domestic cups.
 
Doesn't get as much appreciation as he deserves I think. Has scored everywhere he has played. England, Spain, Germany and at the International level

Yup, he's always prone to score against any type of opposition and has shinned a lot for Mexico at international level. Last confedarations cup he also had 2 goals against Italy and Mexico was dreadful in that edition.
 
I never liked him as a player tbh. Just not my sort of striker. His all around game was poor. But he scored goals, and having him off the bench was a useful asset that was never replaced.

We should have kept him and Welbeck. Welbeck would've been perfect for Mourinho as a hard working wide forward.
 
Nice. I always felt that he was underrated as a footballer. Fergie (or was it Hernandez) told later, that he limited him to the box, denying him a right to shoot from long range (remember his goal against us in that half/half game with Guadalajara?) and showcase his link up game. Had some nice moments today, especially with that nutmeg run.

And what an immensely likable chap! All-time Mexico goalscorer too :drool: (btw I was surprised by how low Sanchez is in that list)
 
Fergie (or was it Hernandez) told later, that he limited him to the box, denying him a right to shoot from long range (remember his goal against us in that half/half game with Guadalajara?) and showcase his link up game.

It must have been Ferguson who came up with that idea, not saying it was a bad move but people think of him as a limited player who isn't capable of other than poaching the ball while when he has been given more freedom has been able to score a wider variety of goals. Since Guadalajara he always was able to strike the ball with force with both legs and it was not rare for him to score from a mid/long range; he did that with Guadalajara and Mexico, and was able to score goals like that with Real Madrid and Bayer Leverkusen.

He frustrates me at times because in the mexican team there are players who on paper make more sense to line up ahead of Hérnandez but then Chicharito would score all the important goals and by his performances you then remember why he's starting. He doesn't have the technique of Carlos Vela (who is top class mind you) but he's always there in good scoring positions and is the most reliable goal threat we have.
 
Nice. I always felt that he was underrated as a footballer. Fergie (or was it Hernandez) told later, that he limited him to the box, denying him a right to shoot from long range (remember his goal against us in that half/half game with Guadalajara?) and showcase his link up game. Had some nice moments today, especially with that nutmeg run.

And what an immensely likable chap! All-time Mexico goalscorer too :drool: (btw I was surprised by how low Sanchez is in that list)
Sanchez didn't like playing unimportant matches, similar to Keylor Navas and Costa Rica.
 
Has he still got the lightning pace? He looked a bit bulkier today than I remembered him, but it may just have been the way the Mexico kit looks or my imagination.
 
I like him as much as the next guy, but can't say I really miss him. A good option off the bench perhaps, but I wouldn't want him starting. Also, 13 in 36 last season isn't that impressive, although I have no idea how many minutes he played in total.
 
Didn't Fergie drop this guy for Welbeck? It's not like Van Gaal chucked him away when he was banging them in for us, he pretty much hadn't been first choice for a few seasons before we sold him.

Great goalscorer but his all round play was not nearly good enough for us. He can't really pass, hold up the ball or dribble. In fact if i recall correctly he couldn't do anything on the ball and was poacher in it's purest form. He'd be a great option but couldn't be a starter and I highly doubt he'd want to come back to United just to sit on the bench again
 
Didn't Fergie drop this guy for Welbeck? It's not like Van Gaal chucked him away when he was banging them in for us, he pretty much hadn't been first choice for a few seasons before we sold him.

Great goalscorer but his all round play was not nearly good enough for us. He can't really pass, hold up the ball or dribble. In fact if i recall correctly he couldn't do anything on the ball and was poacher in it's purest form. He'd be a great option but couldn't be a starter and I highly doubt he'd want to come back to United just to sit on the bench again

Yes, but not really. In his last season, there were quite a few matches where SAF did start Danny, but not Chico. But those starts for Danny were on the wing. It was RvP who was at the 9 spot, and Rooney was the second striker.

That last season, by the way, ended with RvP scoring 30 goals for us, Hernandez 18, Wayne 16, and Danny 2.
 
Biggest mistake ever selling this guy. Completely unnecessary and stupid. Get him back.
 
He wasn't our leading goalscorer, and I don't think we had a strong team in the 10-11 season. Certainly not to the level you could expect from a side that wins the PL and finishes runner-up in the CL nowadays. That aside, he only had more starts than Berbatov in the domestic cups.

He was only one goal behind Berbatov though, and to be fair more than half of Berba's goals came in a 3 matches two of which were 7-1 and 5-0 hammerings. Hernandez's goals were much more evenly spread out over the season contributing to more results.
 
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