Replacing De Gea with this guy will be the stuff from nightmares.
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Jasper Cillessen | Barcelona player
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We have the best goalkeeping coach in the world in Frans Hoek, i'm sure he can evaluate how good Cillessen is, or can be. My preferred targets would be Leno or Timo Horn, but i would take Cillessen instead of spending 25-30 million on Lloris.
Whenever I have seen him play he has looked average and his career as a whole is nothing special, he doesn't have any stand out attributes and has played about 100 games at age of 26. We shouldn't be going anywhere near him.
Also, he's never saved a penalty in a competitive match to date a believe. I can't see him inspiring confidence in our defense.
Would love to see Timo Horn here, or even Jack Butland. I'd also take Cillessen over Lloris.
Too much is said about this. De Gea is not even among the top penalty savers in the PL, that belongs to Allan McGregor of Hull City at the moment. David James is the all time penalty stopper and he has the record for most clean sheets in the PL era too. Tell me he wouldn't trade that to have Schmeichel's career...
Yeah I do agree that it is not be all and end all of a keepers worth. I was just adding to a list of underwhelming qualities he has. Good goalkeeper and rightly Hollands #1 but there are much better goalkeepers out there who might be obtainable should De Gea leave this summer. My preference would be to see how Valdes does on tour (should De Gea not travel with us) and develop Joel Pereira ready to take the reigns over the next few years.
Pereira and Vanja Milinkovic, two young giants. Well, Milinkovic is 18 and 6'8!! We're also apparently on the verge of signing a highly rated youngster from Barcelona (we never learn) Inaki Pena. Sam Johnstone has looked good everytime i've seen him and he should be third choice IMO
Yes we are looking good in the academy on the goalkeeper front. I am surprised Lindegaard is still here. Not sure when he plays. Valdes was playing the majority of reserve games and made the bench most of the time last season for the first team. We should be staying clar of any Barcelona talent. It has (buy back clause) all over it.
I like him.
Opinions on here on him are a good example of the power of groupthink: somehow, it became a popular view on the Caf that 'he is shit', and now people just come out and say they do not want him, without any reason at all.
A Telegraph article about a month ago suggested his stats last season were better than DDG in all the key areas. Not suggesting this means he is a better keeper but it does indicate he had a great season. Add Hoek's knowledge of him and Hoek's understanding of what LvG wants from the keeper, and I can see why we would look at him.
Opinions on here on him are a good example of the power of groupthink: somehow, it became a popular view on the Caf that 'he is shit', and now people just come out and say they do not want him, without any reason at all.
A Telegraph article about a month ago suggested his stats last season were better than DDG in all the key areas. Not suggesting this means he is a better keeper but it does indicate he had a great season. Add Hoek's knowledge of him and Hoek's understanding of what LvG wants from the keeper, and I can see why we would look at him.
And how often have you seen him? I think winning the #3 medal at a WC is special, playing in the CL is special, being the player of the season at your club is special, especially if its at the biggest club in the respective nation its special.
Your arguements about no standout attributes, so if a players is quite all round we shouldnt sign him? Although if I had to choose it would definitely be his positioning and calm.
Your last arguement, I have to guess what the content is. Are you trying to say he has no experiencw? He has approximately 1.7 season of Eredivisie, played in the world cup, played in the CL, played in the EL and is the first keeper for the Dutch national team. That's more experience than the overrated English player we use to buy who mostly have just played in the PL.
His handling is excellent, his footwork is above average for a goalie and he's just as good as De Gea in that respect, his distribution is also good and fits in very well with LVG's need for a GK that can start play from the back. He's a very capable shot stopper and he has a lot of upper body strength, something he's wrongly accused of not having going on his looks and his build, basically nothing
Some of the saves in this compilation video are De Gea-like. He clearly knows about playing with a bad defence lol
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I may be mistaken but United have had a single penalty shootout in UCL. On 25 years or so.
Chances are quite high that a keeper can come here, stay for 10 years and don't have to be in penalty shootout.
That stats is much ado about nothing.
Yep, Community Shield is a big trophy and United were in critical situation fighting for that trophy. I imagine how bad would have been if we had lost that penalty shootout.
Nope, as I don't feel Cillessen is rubbish, just as Valencia wasn't rubbish. But Ronaldo was the very best in his position and DDG is the very best in his or at least thereabouts. So you can't replace them with like for like but still there are better gks arond currently than this guy. To start with he doesn't look like someone who you can take too seriously. Imo just not good enough for the very top level (maybe he will be in 5 years).
I have seen him play a number of times and he is a very ordinary goalkeeper, would struggle to be in the top ten in the Premier League. Replacing De Gea with him would be a complete waste of time and money, I don’t think anyone can present a good argument as to why he is anything other than average other he plays for Ajax and Holland, same was said about Stekelenburg at one time who is another average keeper. There isn’t even a need to compare him to De Gea no matter what stats or youtube videos people refer to, he is nowhere near that level and won’t ever be.
He is decent, solid and as a backup for less than £5m would be fine, or e would be decent for a team lower down the league but it is laughable to be talking about him as a replacement for De Gea and it just seems like really lazy journalism to link him with us.
This is to insinuate that people don't watch Champions League football or... at the very least... The World Cup.
Nope... This is to say that a lot of people simply say they do not like him or don't want him but do not explain why. They may or may not have seen him.
Sorry its quite clear to me that you dont even know him, as you havent said anything relevant. He's just average and you have no arguments whatsoever where you base that on. Weird.
But my point was that LVG lost many penalty shootouts before that and couldn't even save one penalty in these games. He won us the game against Chelsea, but in the CL final he wasn't good again and we would have lost it if Terry didn't slip, he saved seventh penalty in the series. And LVG was deep in his thirties at the time.
Btw. LVG is my favourite Man Utd keeper, even ahead of Peter.
My point is that penalties should be that important if he has everything else, but that's another question anyway.
Your right clearly if anyone doesn’t rate him they know nothing about him, how could I ever watch Holland or Ajax play and no dobt you have seen some great youtube compilations which always tell you everything you need to know.
I said he struggle to be in the top ten keepers in the league and that’s true. I don’t see what’s wrong with saying someone is average, he clearly isn’t terrible and clearly isn’t one of the top keepers in Europe but he isn’t good enough for us and my original point that he is a very average keeper stands up much better than whatever you are likely to say.
You have zero arguments, pointless to discuss further with you. It's no shame just to say that you havent seen that much of him.
Like I said he isn’t good enough to be compared with the best keepers around and if telling yourself I haven’t seen him play or don’t know anything about is only way to make yourself feel better then go for it.
In the Premier League he would be around 10-12 in terms of best keepers in the league which equates to average, much better argument than anything you have.
And it determined winning the CL or not
It not being frequent doesn't mean it isn't significant. Being awfull at penalties is a major downfall for any player especially a goalkeeper.
Think big Louis is probably past his prime inbetween the sticks though...
, yeah, I meant VDS I would genuinely prefer Begovic.
The keeper saved one out of seven penalties. The game was win more from shooters who were quite good, rather than the keeper. Point is, neither VDS nor De Gea were that good when it came to pens. De Gea saved 2 on 4 years, and I don't remember VDS saving any in the league (though I may be wrong).
It is the least thing I would consider for keepers. More a bonus rather than a pre-requisite.
Ddidn't have like a fantastic shout out against Liverpool ?
Edit nope Chelsea sorry about that one but not CL final but community shield ?
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I said in the league. I don't remember us being in a shootout against Liverpool.
He had a fantastic shootout in Community Shielf against Chelsea though, but anyway that isn't a real trophy.
I reckon Cillessenn would pleasantly surprise a few if he came. Although I can't quite shake the suspicion that he looks a bit like Luke Chadwick circa 2001.
I don't know about you but I would feel bad to lose to Arsenal but there was a time we were after every trophy, that's how confident and ambitious we were. I want that team's stance back because that kind of attitude was a key to knocking Pool from their perch.
Penalty saving is one of the attributes that makes keeper a complete one. Why would we conform in someone who's not good in every area ? We can do better than Cillessen for now but chances with time and experience collected he'll be perfect for us. I can't disprove that possibility as you can't disprove possibility that we'll be in penalty shootout situation in future.
Point taken but why would we conform in the incomplete keeper if we can aim higher and get the full package ? The penalty shootout against Chelsea in Moscow could drag out longer if Van der Sar wouldn't kill the game with stopping Anelka. Yes, Terry slipped and we used that against him and that mentally destroyed him and his team who had high fighting spirit that day, one of the toughest player in the toughest league. Terry and Ronaldo both cried from different reasons after that save which seems like some people want shove under the carpet like it didn't had impact after all.
De Gea has saved 2 pens in his United career. In 4 years. 0.5 goals saved per season.
I think that we'll survive by conceding those 2 extra goals. After all we would go from an incomplete keeper to an another incomplete keeper.
I guess it's just all about minimising any risk. De Gea is already established here while being younger than Dutchman, especially after last season's performances but in all honesty, Cillessen with heavily upgraded defense, having such firms defending the area like Smalling, Darmian, Otamendi and/or Ramos would have a chance to survive here and emerging to a solid keeper for years to come.
The question now is, would he be able to compete with Valdes and his Barca's experience...
That would be intersting.
For that fact, I would prefer Leno who despite being 4 years younger, is twice as experienced. He is also brilliant at pens (together with Handanovic and Alves he is the best penalty saver in Europe). I think that Leno and Cillessen are at around the same level, but with Leno being 4 years younger, he might end as the better keeper.
Is Leno having some kind of weaknesses to his keeping at all ? His close range shot stopping seems as good as De Gea's if not on the same level. He almost reminds me of Dave when it comes to emerging as a match hero type figure. Also one year younger than Spaniard... looks like bit in the shadow of Neuer but that could change quickly if he would join United.
At some point sounds like even more interesting option than Lloris and Cillessen.
I am far from a Leno expert, but from times I have seen him, I didn't see any weakness in his play.
He's terrible in the air. This is the weakness i've seen from him
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