No he's not, not for this league. Valdes is garbage with anything aerial, that's a fact. Lloris is much more competent than him.
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No he's not, not for this league. Valdes is garbage with anything aerial, that's a fact. Lloris is much more competent than him.
I predict this will happen. 
De Gea to Cillessen is like Suarez to Balotelli!
Is there anyone who watched Dutch football enough to give an honest opinion about him? (no Ajax fans please). I mean the opinion is shifting from the new Buffon to the new Foster in here
I'm still not changing my opinion, this won't happen. Not because I think Cillessen is terrible, I actually think he's a good allround goalkeeper but I'd like him to develop at Ajax more. He's 26 but hasn't played alot of first team football, he's at a club which usually () had guaranteed CL football and a coach who plays him. Cillessen himself has already denied rumours of joining us since he signed a new deal and also that he thinks Ajax will block a move (theoretically they could do that, Ajax is rich for a Dutch club - wether they will is different).
That said, Ajax did make a shadowlist of replacements since they don't want to be fecked like last year when we swooped in last minute meaning they couldn't replace Blind in time. If he comes I won't be dissapointed since I think he has good potential, I just don't think he should leave right now.
EDIT: Question, why do people not rate him at all? He was Ajax their best player last year, the year before he almost was and he was benched before that. Since he's first choice he hasn't made massive mistakes and is developping very well to the point that I think he will stay our best NT keeper for a while. His only weakness really is penalties, besides that he's well rounded.
) had guaranteed CL football and a coach who plays him. Cillessen himself has already denied rumours of joining us since he signed a new deal and also that he thinks Ajax will block a move (theoretically they could do that, Ajax is rich for a Dutch club - wether they will is different).That said, Ajax did make a shadowlist of replacements since they don't want to be fecked like last year when we swooped in last minute meaning they couldn't replace Blind in time. If he comes I won't be dissapointed since I think he has good potential, I just don't think he should leave right now.
EDIT: Question, why do people not rate him at all? He was Ajax their best player last year, the year before he almost was and he was benched before that. Since he's first choice he hasn't made massive mistakes and is developping very well to the point that I think he will stay our best NT keeper for a while. His only weakness really is penalties, besides that he's well rounded.
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Not this again, please no! Flashbacks from 2009 when we lost Ronaldo and got Valencia. Rather gamble on Valdes than buying this guy.
when??
I don't like valdes much but he is a lot better than lloris. Lloris is error prone , even more than valdes. He runs out like a headless chicken at times. If we solve our defensive issues by signing otamendi/Ramos darmian and Schneiderlin then we would be ok with valdes
that was golden prime Serie A...
Not really. Prime Serie A was the mid-end 80s beginning of the 90s. Even the smaller sides could afford 1-2 world class players
None of them will alter the fact he can't cope with any kind of aerial threat. Lloris often charges out due to the Spurs backline but is much better at set pieces and commanding his box than Valdes, who is hopeless at this aspect which is so vital in the PL. I'd go as far as to say I'd rather have thew Dutch guy than Valdes.
I don't like it when I see this thread suddenly get a lot of activity.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit. Him and Valdes fighting it out for the nr 1 spot. Especially if Levy told us to get off for Lloris
If we have players who wins aerial challenges then ideally they would deal with set pieces. Otamendi and Ramos are good aerially. Smalling Shaw and darmian are all 6'. Lloris is an accident waiting to happen. I would rather we buy begovic than lloris. He is also pl proven and is a much more sensible keeper.
Would be quite happy if it happens. I rate him.I predict this will happen.
There was a reason why he was subbed for Tim Krul before penalties. He needs to address just a few things in his goalkeeping and he got a chance to be a truly complete goalkeeper.
Sure, I don't agree with you on Lloris but I'd take Begovic over Valdes as well, basically any keeper that can't cope with crosses is no use in the PL in my view, so I'd be cool with any option that can.
Ajax goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen insists he has heard nothing formal about Manchester United's apparent interest in signing him this summer.
Cillessen is one of several goalkeepers United have been linked with as Real Madrid continue to pursue David de Gea, but the Netherlands No.1 is paying little attention to the rumours.
"Of course, you hear some things about it through the media," the 26-year-old told Ajax's official site when asked about the United speculation.
"But I keep myself away from it and I have not heard from my agents.
"I have it really good with Ajax.
"I am enjoying myself and I started training again with great pleasure."
Real Madrid full-back Dani Carvajal, meanwhile, has admitted he would find it strange to see Sergio Ramos lining up for another club next season.
Speaking to Spanish newspaper AS about the possibility of Ramos leaving the Bernabeu for United, Carvajal said: "I don't know. All I do know is that he is a team-mate of ours and a cornerstone of Real Madrid, and no one can imagine him in the shirt of another club."
Cillessen is one of several goalkeepers United have been linked with as Real Madrid continue to pursue David de Gea, but the Netherlands No.1 is paying little attention to the rumours.
"Of course, you hear some things about it through the media," the 26-year-old told Ajax's official site when asked about the United speculation.
"But I keep myself away from it and I have not heard from my agents.
"I have it really good with Ajax.
"I am enjoying myself and I started training again with great pleasure."
Real Madrid full-back Dani Carvajal, meanwhile, has admitted he would find it strange to see Sergio Ramos lining up for another club next season.
Speaking to Spanish newspaper AS about the possibility of Ramos leaving the Bernabeu for United, Carvajal said: "I don't know. All I do know is that he is a team-mate of ours and a cornerstone of Real Madrid, and no one can imagine him in the shirt of another club."
Penalties aren't a big deal after all. De Gea saved 2 penalties in 4 years for us (I am not counting Gerrard's third pen when he hit the post but De Gea dived in the other side). So, we would concede 0.5 goals in a season more than with De Gea from pens.
While it is an amazing record (20+ penalties and no save) it won't affectanything unless we go in a game to penalties. And then again, those matches are decided from players - not keepers - in most of the cases.
While it is an amazing record (20+ penalties and no save) it won't affectanything unless we go in a game to penalties. And then again, those matches are decided from players - not keepers - in most of the cases.
I'm still not changing my opinion, this won't happen. Not because I think Cillessen is terrible, I actually think he's a good allround goalkeeper but I'd like him to develop at Ajax more. He's 26 but hasn't played alot of first team football, he's at a club which usually (
That said, Ajax did make a shadowlist of replacements since they don't want to be fecked like last year when we swooped in last minute meaning they couldn't replace Blind in time. If he comes I won't be dissapointed since I think he has good potential, I just don't think he should leave right now.
EDIT: Question, why do people not rate him at all? He was Ajax their best player last year, the year before he almost was and he was benched before that. Since he's first choice he hasn't made massive mistakes and is developping very well to the point that I think he will stay our best NT keeper for a while. His only weakness really is penalties, besides that he's well rounded.
Personally I have the feeling he lacks personality, not a great aura about him. That's why I don't want him anywhere near Man Utd.
I'm really not sure on this one, he seems like a really good goalkeeper but he doesn't have that X-factor, that unquantifiable aura or sense that he is capable of something special. You could see it with a young Neuer/De Gea/Courtois that they had "it", and while I know goalkeepers often don't peak until later in their career from the (admittedly limited) amount I have watched Ajax/Holland with him in goal I've seen nothing to suggest that he'll suddenly catapult himself to world-class status, which is what we really should be aiming for (though admittedly pickings are slim in terms of alternatives).
If he signs I wouldn't be disheartened or anything; I'm sure he'll be solid and dependable, I'm just not sure if it'll be enough. Personally I'd rather take our chances with Valdes this season and hope one of the promising young talents like Leno or Oblak has enough of a breakthrough season in terms of top quality to justify some interest next year.
If he signs I wouldn't be disheartened or anything; I'm sure he'll be solid and dependable, I'm just not sure if it'll be enough. Personally I'd rather take our chances with Valdes this season and hope one of the promising young talents like Leno or Oblak has enough of a breakthrough season in terms of top quality to justify some interest next year.
1998-99 FA Semi Final against Arsenal, Schmeichel with a save, we're going to Wembley. Treble.
2007-08 CL Final against Chelsea, Van der Sar comes back with a save. Double.
Goalkeepers were always important part of United especially when things were going to shit and we should only conform in that kind of football heroes. De Gea saving our season is almost like a well known fact however Cillessen from what I saw is acting very composed and calm in many critical situation. If he can step just one level up with United upgrading it's defense I can see him here for 10 years. Won't be easy for him though but with some help of Frans Hoek who created huge amount solid keepers I think it might be possible.
Any of the resident Dutch/Dutch league followers got any reviews? Is he even good?
On a scale of 1-van der Sar how good/bad is he?
On a scale of 1-van der Sar how good/bad is he?
NL Max pretty much nailed it in post above.
Cillessen is a bit of a weird one, literally. Sometimes if you look at him in goal he stands there like he's high and doesn't give a f*ck. He doesn't know what pressure is, he turns charging strikers on a regular basis without failure and isn't afraid to throw his body on the line or mouth off strikers. He has one weakness and that is penalties, he has never saved one during a professional match in his carreer.
Besides that weakness he's very well rounded. He's not really a sweeper keeper but he's fast off his line, pretty good with his feet (no Valdes though) and a good shotstopper. In the last 2 years he's improved massively, he started at Ajax's bench and after a shaky start he became the first choice keeper for Ajax and the NT, his competitor at Ajax was sold because of his progress. He's definately a latebloomer as he's only played about 100 matches of professional football at age 26. He's a smart guy and probably knows that staying at Ajax will be beneficial for him since he already spent so much of his carreer on a bench. I'm not an Ajax fan but I quite like Cillessen, unless he's playing against PSV. I can see him having a good carreer but I still think he should stay at Ajax for at least a year, two seasons in the Eredivisie counts for feck all if you cross the border and fail.
Save the money or buy a better keeper. I have a feeling we will buy him if De Gea leaves, and I wont be happy about it.
Do not want.
Just don't think he's good enough for the premier league. I would take Begovic over him and I don't think Begovic is world class.
Just don't think he's good enough for the premier league. I would take Begovic over him and I don't think Begovic is world class.
I hate the expression "world class".
Would be a pointless signing, very average keeper who would be over priced and end up being a backup.
Very average keeper? On what exactly do you base that?
He saved 1 out of 7 penalties in that shootout. I don't think this 'weakness' is a big deal, he'll save some in his career (eventually) whether he's good at them or not, it may just be a mental block for him since he's yet to save one, he may get over it.
How many keepers are notorious for their penalty saving out of interest? I can only think of Reina. Neuer is apparently intimidating but we've seen Chelsea and Dortmund rinse him in a penalty shootout before.
As far as I can remember VDS wasn't really good with penalties, I do remember him against Juve 96 in the CL Final, France at the Euros 96, Brazil at WC 98 and he didn't save one of the penalites, for us it took him 7 penalties against Chelsea to save one.... I know he saved 3 in the row against Chelsea, but I don't think it was his overall strength I don't know about his spells at Juventus and Fulham.
It may become a deal when we'll reach play off stages of CL or try to win any tournament especially when Holland lost their great chance to finally become world champions because of another penalty shootout when there was no subs left to bring Krul in.
Again Cillessen must be prepared for everything if he wants to play first role in Manchester United. I can only say that he's not far to being a complete keeper but penalties do matter and not that long ago Claudio Bravo proved exactly that when he saved Banega's penalty which gave huge psychological boost for Chile in winning the whole tournament.
Probably, and rightly, very few. Although I think it's widely accepted that Handanovic has a superb record. I remember reading that Diego Alves from Valencia had the best record at the moment in top-level football.
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Glad you remember that because it was another trophy in the bag for United and this is exactly what we should aim for also in keeper department.
So everything after and before doesn't count?
It counts but his penalty saving actually won United trophies and that's what interests me. Keepers who can bag the silverware for the team in critical situations.
Cillessen got that one thing to learn if he wants to be at goalkeeping top. Not saying it's impossible while he's 26 but it will come with growing experience which like NL Max said he should be given one more season or more in Ajax to improve to a wanted level.
It's gonna be LVG's decision anyway if Dave will decide to go which in that case would be obviously better to keep an established keeper with unending potential plus having huge experience in Valdes who won absolutely everything with Barca.
It lasted longer than that. The 90s were the absolute peak with signs of decline starting in the early 2000s leading up to Calciopoli but four CL finals in the 2000s were contested by Italian teams with three victories and one all Italian final.
Why the feck? Valencia was an inspired signing who was great for a couple of seasons and hardly a Ronaldo replacement. Schmeichel replaced with XXX would be your very obvious and a lot more suitable comparison.
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