Jasper Cillessen | Barcelona player

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NL Max said:
Sky just translated an VI interview with de Boer, I'm certain we haven't made an offer since Cillessen played in a friendly. De Boer said it would be hard for Ajax to turn an offer from us down if we called, nothing more. Wouldn't see this as a done deal yet.



He only became a starter at Ajax half a year before the WC, that meant Vermeer was benched at Ajax and therefore lost his place to Cillessen at the NT because lack of match rhythm.
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Have not seen enough of him. More than the ability side, do you think he has the mentality to succeed at a club like United where the pressure will be ten folds than what he is facing now at Ajax?

Also, he does not seem to have a large build. Do you think he can cope with the PL? The last thing we need now is the settling in period for another GK like we had with DDG. We don't have a prime Vida and Rio to save our asses and I will be pissed off if we dropped points because our GK is dropping clangers after having such an excellent transfer window so far.

I find it hard to swallow that the club has not been able to identify another established top GK if we have put our hopes on a keeper who has only been regular for the last 1.5 years although he is already 26-27.
 
NK86 said:
Have not seen enough of him. More than the ability side, do you think he has the mentality to succeed at a club like United where the pressure will be ten folds than what he is facing now at Ajax?

Also, he does not seem to have a large build. Do you think he can cope with the PL? The last thing we need now is the settling in period for another GK like we had with DDG. We don't have a prime Vida and Rio to save our asses and I will be pissed off if we dropped points because our GK is dropping clangers after having such an excellent transfer window so far.

I find it hard to swallow that the club has not been able to identify another established top GK if we have put our hopes on a keeper who has only been regular for the last 1.5 years although he is already 26-27.
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Like who? Not a single 'top' keeper available now is there?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I think thats a poor argument. Cillessen is crap and I will argue that until he proves me wrong, but the height has nothing to do with it. Cillessen is the exact same height as Oliver Kahn.
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well we discussed Ospina not Cillesen..
 
Varun said:
If we get him, it will be to replace Valdez not De Gea.
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I think he's earmarked as a number one so I can only see this happening if De Gea is leaving this summer. Romero is the one being looked at as a Valdes replacement
 
NK86 said:
Have not seen enough of him. More than the ability side, do you think he has the mentality to succeed at a club like United where the pressure will be ten folds than what he is facing now at Ajax?

Also, he does not seem to have a large build. Do you think he can cope with the PL? The last thing we need now is the settling in period for another GK like we had with DDG. We don't have a prime Vida and Rio to save our asses and I will be pissed off if we dropped points because our GK is dropping clangers after having such an excellent transfer window so far.

I find it hard to swallow that the club has not been able to identify another established top GK if we have put our hopes on a keeper who has only been regular for the last 1.5 years although he is already 26-27.
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His mentality is fine, he's a cool headed guy (on and off the pitch) and pretty down to earth. He never complained at Ajax but stayed patient for his chance, which he's taken well once he got it. The sub at the WC wasn't told to him beforehand (only to Krul), he was mad at the time it happened but apologised straight after, that's a characteristic van Gaal likes - no whining, you're part of a squad and everyone does their job. I don't think he would struggle with bigger expectations per se.

He isn't scared to throw his body on the line but he indeed isn't a giant and can improve on this. He's still quite tall at 188cm (de Gea is 192cm) but he would probably have to adapt to the PL, imo he would be a better fit for that criteria than Valdes would've been. He doesn't look imposing but that doesn't matter: strikers will never intimidate him, he doesn't lose his calm. Quite good at 1v1, quick off his line, doesn't panic and a good passer. For a goalkeeper that's only been playing regularly for 1,5 season he has alot in his locker, but he's obviously a late bloomer. That's why his potential (for me) is hard to predict, I haven't watched him at NEC (never watched them regularly) so I base everything off his performances at Ajax. If van Gaal/Hoek favors him over the likes of Leno/Lloris they will be able to judge him better. Imo he's better off for his development staying at Ajax for now, but I wouldn't be devastated if we got him. He will surprise quite a few people as he's actually pretty good, but he'll never be a de Gea I think. Don't think we would sign him as 2nd choice either, and still not convinced we're after him at all.
 
Loublaze said:
Like who? Not a single 'top' keeper available now is there?
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I am not a scout. There could be someone who has not quite reached the "top" category but is someone who can do a good job and has enough experience.

I would not have mind even someone like Begovic as a stop gap arrangement. Someone younger to take over in a year or two time and Begovic till then to bridge the gap.
 
NL Max said:
His mentality is fine, he's a cool headed guy (on and off the pitch) and pretty down to earth. He never complained at Ajax but stayed patient for his chance, which he's taken well once he got it. The sub at the WC wasn't told to him beforehand (only to Krul), he was mad at the time it happened but apologised straight after, that's a characteristic van Gaal likes - no whining, you're part of a squad and everyone does their job. I don't think he would struggle with bigger expectations per se.

He isn't scared to throw his body on the line but he indeed isn't a giant and can improve on this. He's still quite tall at 188cm (de Gea is 192cm) but he would probably have to adapt to the PL, imo he would be a better fit for that criteria than Valdes would've been. He doesn't look imposing but that doesn't matter: strikers will never intimidate him, he doesn't lose his calm. Quite good at 1v1, quick off his line, doesn't panic and a good passer. For a goalkeeper that's only been playing regularly for 1,5 season he has alot in his locker, but he's obviously a late bloomer. That's why his potential (for me) is hard to predict, I haven't watched him at NEC (never watched them regularly) so I base everything off his performances at Ajax. If van Gaal/Hoek favors him over the likes of Leno/Lloris they will be able to judge him better. Imo he's better off for his development staying at Ajax for now, but I wouldn't be devastated if we got him. He will surprise quite a few people as he's actually pretty good, but he'll never be a de Gea I think. Don't think we would sign him as 2nd choice either, and still not convinced we're after him at all.
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Thank you for that summary. Sounds like a decent keeper but as you said he is a later bloomer and is difficult to predict how he would cope in the PL.

Personally, as I said in an earlier post, a PL proven decent keeper like Begovic as a stop gap arrangement with a young apprentice who could settle in and take it up full time in a year or two would be the ideal scenario than having Cillessen as first choice, who could be good but could be a disaster as well.
 
NK86 said:
I am not a scout. There could be someone who has not quite reached the "top" category but is someone who can do a good job and has enough experience.

I would not have mind even someone like Begovic as a stop gap arrangement. Someone younger to take over in a year or two time and Begovic till then to bridge the gap.
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He's at Chelsea now. Plus I hate the idea of a stopgap keeper.
 
stu_1992 said:
He's at Chelsea now. Plus I hate the idea of a stopgap keeper.
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I know he is at Chelsea and that is why I said someone like him. I don't like the concept of stop gap as well but in this market it is difficult to find the perfect keeper.

We already have a lot of new players to settle in and if we want to have a real assaul on the league it would make more sense to have someone who is proven in the PL between the sticks.

We could also get someone younger in who has the ability to become a top GK somewhere along the way but for the here and the now we need experience and someone who may not be spectacular but will not let us down either.
 
Loublaze said:
Like who? Not a single 'top' keeper available now is there?
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Both Bernd Leno and Jan Oblak have the potential to be great keepers for us with Leno being at a higher level currently. Cillessen would be a terrible replacement for de Gea. Personally, I don't see David moving this season. We'll probably let him go for free next season, which would ultimately save us money imo.
 
NK86 said:
I know he is at Chelsea and that is why I said someone like him. I don't like the concept of stop gap as well but in this market it is difficult to find the perfect keeper.

We already have a lot of new players to settle in and if we want to have a real assaul on the league it would make more sense to have someone who is proven in the PL between the sticks.

We could also get someone younger in who has the ability to become a top GK somewhere along the way but for the here and the now we need experience and someone who may not be spectacular but will not let us down either.
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Shit sorry. Misread the post. I agree with the Premier League proven aspect, which is why Cech would have been ideal. Begovic I don't think ever had the quality.
 
stu_1992 said:
Shit sorry. Misread the post. I agree with the Premier League proven aspect, which is why Cech would have been ideal. Begovic I don't think ever had the quality.
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Cech was adamant to stay in London because of his young family, and who can blame him. Begovic is the not most high profile or the best keeper around but I think he would have been a decent shout as someone to provide experience in the back five while we find a GK who could actually be a long term solution for us.

I would rather that than putting all our hopes in an unknown quantity to come into a new league and settle in immediately. GK is one position where you cannot have poor perfomances as that will cost you points almost every time, like we saw with DDG during his early years with us.

Difference is we had Rio and Vida protecting him with Fergie at the helm. Now we have neither of them and a backline which has serious question marks over them even with a new signing. We don't want to complicate matters further with a goalie who could be a catastrophy.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Both Bernd Leno and Jan Oblak have the potential to be great keepers for us with Leno being at a higher level currently. Cillessen would be a terrible replacement for de Gea. Personally, I don't see David moving this season. We'll probably let him go for free next season, which would ultimately save us money imo.
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Not bad shouts. Cillessen is a late bloomer who didnt get the games these two are getting now at the same age so you can't really discount his potential either. 26 is still young for a GK and he's risen pretty quickly over the last year and a half from a sub at Ajax to their player of the year and best GK in the Eriedivisie. Considering what they've all achieved thus far in their careers there's nothing that really separates or puts those two ahead of Cillessen except age.
 
Loublaze said:
I think he's earmarked as a number one so I can only see this happening if De Gea is leaving this summer. Romero is the one being looked at as a Valdes replacement
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Both are completely terrible options tbh

DO.NOT.WANT
 
Raoul said:
We may well end up with both, in which case you will have to...

DEAL.WITH.IT
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Loublaze said:
:lol: It looks like we're going to sign at least one of them
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Seriously signing them is like going from a Bugatti and downgrading to a 20 year old Volvo. Neither are anywhere near the required level to be a United player. I'd prefer if we looked at lloris, leno or oblak instead.
 
Romero seems quite shit to be honest. However LVG knows him well and he's 6.4ft tall. At least we're not buying midgets who would be crap on crosses. Same thing apply for Cillessen.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Seriously signing them is like going from a Bugatti and downgrading to a 20 year old Volvo. Neither are anywhere near the required level to be a United player. I'd prefer if we looked at lloris, leno or oblak instead.
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Lloris is a used Peugeot
 
Well, Cillessen is the current Ajax player of the year, so he can't be as bad as some people are making out.

The problem is that DDG is so damn good, getting any keeper in the World will be a downgrade and this is the problem which most people are finding difficult to come to terms with.
Consider that DDG has been MUFC's player of the year, for the last 2 years (and my guess is that this season will be the same), it puts into context just how good he is for us.
Lloris/Cillessen are great keepers, but will they be MUFC's player of the year, if they play for us? Probably not.
 
sunama said:
Well, Cillessen is the current Ajax player of the year, so he can't be as bad as some people are making out.

The problem is that DDG is so damn good, getting any keeper in the World will be a downgrade and this is the problem which most people are finding difficult to come to terms with.
Consider that DDG has been MUFC's player of the year, for the last 2 years (and my guess is that this season will be the same), it puts into context just how good he is for us.
Lloris/Cillessen are great keepers, but will they be MUFC's player of the year, if they play for us? Probably not.
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A lot of people only know him from the World Cup and his sub for penalties, so he's shit by definition. I've seen him a lot over the season and he is not bad. Good under pressure, strong in 1v1's and never blinks. However, he is a downgrade. I'd rather see him at Ajax for another year and see if he might be up for it when de Gea leaves next summer.
 
Really wish these rumours would f*ck off. He's so average it's not even funny.
 
For those have seen him, what is he like aerially?

If he's going to flap at corners and crosses then he isn't what we need.
 
From what little I've seen of him, he does look a solid keeper. But for me, we should be looking for more than just a solid keeper. It's like the situation Arsenal found themselves in this summer. Ospina did very little wrong and was by no means a weak link in the team, but Arsenal wisely upgraded to Cech.
 
We can deal with a downgrade on the shot stopping provided the defence and midfield protection improves, but what we can't deal with is a lot of nonsense regarding corners. De Gea is so good in this respect now, and a liability is something we just can't carry.
 
If he doesn't make to many mistakes then we can say that it is better compared to de Geas first season. If he improves on that we can be happy as we would have a good keeper.
 
manutddjw said:
From what little I've seen of him, he does look a solid keeper. But for me, we should be looking for more than just a solid keeper. It's like the situation Arsenal found themselves in this summer. Ospina did very little wrong and was by no means a weak link in the team, but Arsenal wisely upgraded to Cech.
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Cech would've been a good get for us, but I'd be happy with Cillessen as an alternative until another top keeper becomes available.
 
Saving penalties are over rated. De gea to my knowledge saved 2 penalties in his United career. One in 2011 and one in 2014. He missed 3 in a row vs Gerrard (third hit the post but he jumped the wrong way iirc). Penalty saving is always 50-50 however good you are at it.

From what has been posted here the only issue he has is his age and the penalty saves. He seems a good keeper beside that. In the World Cup Dutch defence wasn't exactly world class yet he was good as far as I remember. If hoek thinks he is good I would trust him as he is considered one of the best keeper coach.

Plus if we sign Romero, then if required we can sub him on for cillesen during a shootout. :p
 
LvG is surely not so narrow minded that he would only buy him because he's Dutch, this guy must be a pretty good keeper.....right?
 
He doesn't even have a goalkeepers face. Even Lindegaard has that going for him.
 
Raoul said:
Cech would've been a good get for us, but I'd be happy with Cillessen as an alternative until another top keeper becomes available.
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He's going to cost £25m, which is a lot for someone who would be alternative.
 
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