He's not cup tied if I'm reading @Amir's post properly ?
Jasper Cillessen | Barcelona player
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Romero to play in the CL 
Exactly.
Not cup tied after tonight.
he's not anyway
Ajax have been knocked out of the CL by Rapid Vienna. We're free to sign him if De Gea leaves
Don't want though.
So he conceded a couple goals??
I'd only really blame him for the third goal to be fair.
yeah, but unfortunately that decided everything
We were free to sign him regardless. You can't be cup tied from qualifying games.
He didn't do much wrong with the goals he conceded. But he still didn't look really good either. I also don't think he is a LvG type keeper, didn't really look that comfortable on the ball, kicking shit too. Especially in the first game he didn't make a good impression overall, his standout moment was when he came out of his goal like Neuer and then completely fecked up the pass to a Rapid player who couldn't take advantage of it.
Really hope we don't go in panic mode and just keep De Gea for another year. Cilessen and Romero will be a disaster imo and will make us all remember the seasons between Schmeichel and van der Sar (only goalkeeper-related of course)
Really hope we don't go in panic mode and just keep De Gea for another year. Cilessen and Romero will be a disaster imo and will make us all remember the seasons between Schmeichel and van der Sar (only goalkeeper-related of course
)I know this, but if they made the group stages that would be a different case wouldn't it? Or would it only kick in after he actually made an appearance in that stage? I think the first scenario is right, if he's announced as a squad member in the groups
He didn't do much wrong with the goals he conceded. But he still didn't look really good either. I also don't think he is a LvG type keeper, didn't really look that comfortable on the ball, kicking shit too. Especially in the first game he didn't make a good impression overall, his standout moment was when he came out of his goal like Neuer and then completely fecked up the pass to a Rapid player who couldn't take advantage of it.
Really hope we don't go in panic mode and just keep De Gea for another year. Cilessen and Romero will be a disaster imo and will make us all remember the seasons between Schmeichel and van der Sar (only goalkeeper-related of course
Im not saying he's the answer, but there doesn't seem to be many readily available quality keepers out there, unless we go for another young and mostly unproven gem (the timing is not right for that). If we had to go that route i'd go for Timo Horn who IMO has massive potential
True but to choose Cilessen because of his age would be a big mistake though imo. Leno or Oblak are still young but already better goalkeepers than Cilessen will ever be imo. Especially Leno is not a complete newbie anymore and he should be a realistic option next summer, maybe even this window if we make a serious offer. I like Horn too, but like you said he really just arrived last year and it's too early for him to join already a club like United.
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You can also add Lloris to that list.
I think we can get him as I am sure he'd kick up a fuss if we put in a bid and Levy does not let him go.
I think we can get him as I am sure he'd kick up a fuss if we put in a bid and Levy does not let him go.
Bang average performance just like the others(few) I've seen.He didn't do much wrong with the goals he conceded. But he still didn't look really good either. I also don't think he is a LvG type keeper, didn't really look that comfortable on the ball, kicking shit too. Especially in the first game he didn't make a good impression overall, his standout moment was when he came out of his goal like Neuer and then completely fecked up the pass to a Rapid player who couldn't take advantage of it.
Really hope we don't go in panic mode and just keep De Gea for another year. Cilessen and Romero will be a disaster imo and will make us all remember the seasons between Schmeichel and van der Sar (only goalkeeper-related of course
The groups are not drawn until 27th August and the registration isn't finalised until 2nd September, or thereabouts if FM is anything to go by, to allow for the end of the transfer window. Also I don't think he would be cup-tied as he wouldn't have played any matches for them in the group stage, its like when you register the team for the season for the league and domestic cups, if they don't play in the cups they are not cup tied but still registered to play in them.
Cillessen is pretty unproven as well and isn't a quality keeper either, he has only had two seasons as a number one so it's not like we would be getting a proven and experienced keeper.
He shouldn't even be someone we are looking at let alone who we actually sign, especially for the kind of fees being quoted in the papers. We should be looking for either a keeper of proven quality or another young keeper with huge potential, cillessen is neither of those.
Valdes should stick around if this guy is genuinely a target. If Valdes repairs his relationship with LVG I think he would be number one before christmas if his competition is cillessen and Romero.
Cillessen isn't good enough for a club like United.
Cillessen is not a keeper close to the quality of De Gea. For me there is 3 reasons to get him if De Gea leaves, 1) Dutch players and keepers have fit well into our team several times before 2) He's young for a keeper and still has to reach his prime 3) He's most likely better than Romero
I think we can do much worse, however my wish is one of the young German keepers, not that LVG use to listen to me...
I think we can do much worse, however my wish is one of the young German keepers, not that LVG use to listen to me...
Romero should not be the barometer on which we judge our keepers through though..and We should be trying to get the best keeper we can get, we have had no luck with average keepers over the years, to be honest, before he was linked to us, would anyone have had Cillisen in their top 10 keepers in world football? I think we should go big, because a good keeper calms the defense..and our defense needs calming
I think we can safely park this till next year and see how he does in Holland. It's unthinkable for us to sell our goalkeeper 3 days before the league starts.
I'll be pissed if we buy him. I remember someone on here saying that when LvG was at Barca he alienated and sold some of their best players and replaced them with average Dutch players. Obviously it's not his fault DDG is leaving but Cilesson would be a really shitty replacement.
I genuinely beleive he'd be an unmitigated disaster here...
It'd be like going back to the young kid De Gea we had in his first season with us... except he wouldn't be as good, and he'd lack the scope for improvement.
Maybe a disaster is harsh, I dunno, but we should want a keeper who is at the highest level - certainly one who would be in the top 5 in the league... and if he came here, we're getting a keeper who isn't even as good as Begovic.
It'd be like going back to the young kid De Gea we had in his first season with us... except he wouldn't be as good, and he'd lack the scope for improvement.
Maybe a disaster is harsh, I dunno, but we should want a keeper who is at the highest level - certainly one who would be in the top 5 in the league... and if he came here, we're getting a keeper who isn't even as good as Begovic.
Which one? My choice would be Timo Horn
Of the Dutch players he signed, i'd say only Zenden and goalie Ruud Hesp were about average. He signed Winston Bogarde, Patrick Kluivert, the De Boer brothers, Michael Reiziger and Phillip Cocu. Hardly average
turns out only F de Boer, Cocu, Patrick were worth it. hardly a good rate
Trapp would have been a very good choice as well. Certainly a lot better than Romero. Karius is probably a bit too young.
more and more and more likely each passing minute
Here's the question I ask myself: if we had any other manager, would Cillessen even be considered to replace De Gea? I don't think he would.
Were you here during the Fergie era?
the time we got lost after leaving Denmark before being able to reach the Netherlands
Fergie made mistakes, but he had the right attitude in signing Barthez who was highly regarded but it didn't work for us. Signing Cillessen to me is akin to when we signed Roy Carroll. I just can't see any manager who'd be losing one of the worlds best and has a sizeable amount to spend, would consider signing Cillessen. I get that the manager has worked with him before, but he's known the situation with De Gea and if after a year of scouting the best we can come up with is Cillessen and Romero, then there's something wrong here.
Why? He hasn't even been linked to us by trusted Dutch media who break any story regarding Dutch players.
seems less likely DG stays. I remember you saying that the deal with Blind happened and broke out to media in just two days?
In your Dutch opinion, where would Cillessen rank in terms of Current PL Keepers? Surely not better then Cortois, Cech, Hart or Lloris... but then after that, who out of people like Begovic, Mignolet, Howard, Forester, Forster etc. would be ahead of him?
True, if anything happens the Dutch media will break the story so I don't see it being more likely each passing minute. I don't think we'll go for him at all.
Hmm that's difficult. Cillessen indeed doesn't rank above Hart/Lloris/Cech/Courtois right now but I see him as a talented keeper at 26. Don't really follow the other PL keepers much so wouldn't know where to place him. He hasn't played much but already is a pretty complete goalkeeper who's pretty good at all aspects including distribution/coming off his line (important for van Gaal).
I don't think we'll buy him because he isn't ready, I can't judge his full potential either. If we're after a work-in-progress who fits the profile to replace de Gea I'm sure there are better keepers out there than Cillessen, this is why I don't think we'll sign him. If we do, van Gaal rates his potential higher than me as he wouldn't sign him based on how good he is now. I'd rather sign Lloris for a fecktonne of money to be honoust.
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for me I base on the fact that no news has been heard over any other GK from other countries, as the season approaches very closely now. If we go for other guys think it would not have been so quick as for a guy from Ajax, so with the increasing likelihood of DG's departure, I would assume we may choose him
Hesp was their first choice though. Played almost every game his first season and won two back to back titles with them. He wasn't a great great goalie but he was probably worth it
Seems like one of those that we feel comfortable we can get done quickly if De Gea leaves. We haven't been linked to any other keepers and this one is the most realistic that can be done in a short space of time.
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