Jasper Cillessen | Barcelona player

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People are worrying even when he isn't linked to us? Weird.

And I don't think LvG will take a risk with our first choice keeper. He didn't play anyone else even in our MK Dons match. He clearly doesn't buy a keeper who isn't good and just because he knows.
 
I like the look of the guy and I can see that at Utd he could have the potential to raise his game, learn on his weaknesses and become a very good GK. I wouldnt be concerned by buying him and giving him a chance to prove himself. Look how poor De Gea was when he joined Utd. I dont get the hate tbh.

Ok so he is a few inches shorter than De gea in the height department. But that aside, I dont get the hate tbh. Especially if players like Lloris etc arent available.
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
I like the look of the guy and I can see that at Utd he could have the potential to raise his game, learn on his weaknesses and become a very good GK. I wouldnt be concerned by buying him and giving him a chance to prove himself. Look how poor De Gea was when he joined Utd. I dont get the hate tbh.

Ok so he is a few inches shorter than De gea in the height department. But that aside, I dont get the hate tbh. Especially if players like Lloris etc arent available.
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He really wasn't. He was a starter for Atletico and really impressed there during season in which they raised Europa League trophy.
 
Sarni said:
He really wasn't. He was a starter for Atletico and really impressed there during season in which they raised Europa League trophy.
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and hasnt Jasper impressed in Ajax and for Holland? (all be it a poorer league granted) and yes....yes he was!. Go back and watch all the howlers Dave made once he joined us. That first year was quite poor from him and that was with Rio and Vidic infront of him. After that first year he became a total beast but to argue he wasnt poor in that first year for us is overly biast and incorrect.
 
De Gea was not complete, but he was as brilliant a shot stopper as you could get then
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
and hasnt Jasper impressed in Ajax and for Holland? (all be it a poorer league granted) and yes....yes he was!. Go back and watch all the howlers Dave made once he joined us. That first year was quite poor from him and that was with Rio and Vidic infront of him. After that first year he became a total beast but to argue he wasnt poor in that first year for us is overly biast and incorrect.
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This gets blown well out of proportion. He made some mistakes but was nowhere near 'terrible', 'awful' etc. He was fine from the beginning, then became world class here.
 
De Gea was 19 and already a established keeper in La Liga and a EL winner. His potential was always obvious too. A lot of experts predicted him to be one of the best in his position. Cilessen is 7 years older, only had an impressive season in Holland and doesn't look anywhere as talented. I don't think he has been anything special at the WC either. That guy is not bad, but not United level either and it's not unlikely that he isn't good enough to make a step up to a top club.
 
Sarni said:
This gets blown well out of proportion. He made some mistakes but was nowhere near 'terrible', 'awful' etc. He was fine from the beginning, then became world class here.
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this is a good video highlighting some of the errors but then showing his progression. The errors were there whether we want to accept it or not. -

 
Lewis.no.9 said:
this is a good video highlighting some of the errors but then showing his progression. The errors were there whether we want to accept it or not. -

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That video basically proves my point. 4-5 mistakes out of which 2 aren't really any bad, it will happen to every goalkeeper, then 3-4 minutes of brilliant saves.
 
Sarni said:
That video basically proves my point. 4-5 mistakes out of which 2 aren't really any bad, it will happen to every goalkeeper, then 3-4 minutes of brilliant saves.
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my initial post was - "Look how poor De Gea was when he joined Utd" - i.e at the start of his Utd career, where all the errors were. My 2nd post about his howlers again stated at the start of his Utd career. Its not overstated. Fact is he made errors at the START of his Utd career. Thats fact. You were originally trying to play it down like he made no errors period.

my point is, he did then became world class. Dont really see how you can argue against that statement?.
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
my initial post was - "Look how poor De Gea was when he joined Utd" - i.e at the start of his Utd career, where all the errors were. My 2nd post about his howlers again stated at the start of his Utd career. Its not overstated. Fact is he made errors at the START of his Utd career. Thats fact. You were originally trying to play it down like he made no errors period.

my point is, he did then became world class. Dont really see how you can argue against that statement?.
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He made a few errors in his first 6 months. Also had brilliant saves during that period and was great prior to joining United. This is not comparable to Cilessen who hasn't really set the world alight at Ajax and has only been their number one goalkeeper for 18 months.
 
Sarni said:
He made a few errors in his first 6 months. Also had brilliant saves during that period and was great prior to joining United. This is not comparable to Cilessen who hasn't really set the world alight at Ajax and has only been their number one goalkeeper for 18 months.
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but what they do share is the fact that both were/are un proven at the time in England. Many have written Jasper off before he has even been given a chance. Same with Romero. Yet Dave was very very young and also unproven in England but everyone backed it?. I guess once people know £20million+ gets invested in a player it changes everyones perspective, even though it isnt their money
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
but what they do share is the fact that both were/are un proven at the time in England. Many have written Jasper off before he has even been given a chance. Same with Romero. Yet Dave was very very young and also unproven in England but everyone backed it?. I guess once people know £20million+ gets invested in a player it changes everyones perspective, even though it isnt their money
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Yes, there are also about 300 goalkeepers who are equally unproven as Cilessen. Doesn't mean anything.

De Gea was considered as one of the most promising keepers in Europe at the time. If we bring Leno, Scuffet or someone like that now, i.e. someone who's very highly thought of across Europe, even though they might be unproven, we'd probably see more excitement than with Cilessen or Romero.
 
Sarni said:
Yes, there are also about 300 goalkeepers who are equally unproven as Cilessen. Doesn't mean anything.

De Gea was considered as one of the most promising keepers in Europe at the time. If we bring Leno, Scuffet or someone like that now, i.e. someone who's very highly thought of across Europe, even though they might be unproven, we'd probably see more excitement than with Cilessen or Romero.
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Whilst I understand your point, I cant help but think that everyone now has a mentality that "if he isnt considered a superstar, or someone thats about a year away from being a superstar, they aint good enough for Utd"

look at some of the amazing players that have played for this club, that have been dug up out of nowhere or cost virtually peanuts that had no prior "reputation"s?

I just wouldnt be against giving people a chance is all Im saying. be it Jasper Cillessen or Kasper Schmeichel.
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
and hasnt Jasper impressed in Ajax and for Holland? (all be it a poorer league granted) and yes....yes he was!. Go back and watch all the howlers Dave made once he joined us. That first year was quite poor from him and that was with Rio and Vidic infront of him. After that first year he became a total beast but to argue he wasnt poor in that first year for us is overly biast and incorrect.
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He made several mistakes in the first half of season (not the entire first year). He was quite inconsistent, making mistakes in a game when he had just made some amazing saves.

In the second half of the season, he was absolutely brilliant and continued being so in the second season when he was chosen best keeper in the league.
 
The good thing about this guy is that he only played a couple of seasons at a high level, he can still improve a lot, maybe with Hoek's guidance he can become one of the best.
 
He's no DDG but he's more proven than some of the keepers we brought to replace Schmeichel with. Howard, Frosties, Taibi and Carroll were absolutely appalling.
 
ottosec said:
The good thing about this guy is that he only played a couple of seasons at a high level, he can still improve a lot, maybe with Hoek's guidance he can become one of the best.
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I agree with this. Certanly no reason to think otherwise.
 
Does LvG not trust his scouting team? He seems to only be after people who has seen at first hand.

There are a lot better keepers around the leagues than Cillessen.
 
theyneverlearn said:
Does LvG not trust his scouting team? He seems to only be after people who has seen at first hand.

There are a lot better keepers around the leagues than Cillessen.
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I think managers see things a bit differently than fans. They are more inclined to go with good keepers whose personality and character traits they trust - as in, they know and trust trust them, which can't be said of any number of other keepers. Same reason LvG was comfortable buying Romero as a #2.
 
Not good enough.

Should be Lloris who we are after. LVG is just signing average goalkeepers he knows. And I think he'd struggle in the premier league especially with crosses after watching him at Ajax.
 
ottosec said:
The good thing about this guy is that he only played a couple of seasons at a high level, he can still improve a lot, maybe with Hoek's guidance he can become one of the best.
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Or he is just a very average player who has only got a chance because he is better than other poorer options and his form may be temporary. There isn't much to work with in all honesty in terms of developing him into a world class keeper and I imagine Ajax are desperate to offload him for the ludicrous fee we will have to pay. They can go and sign someone just as good for a fraction of the price.

He isn't terrible but he is not better than Romero who we got for free and any extra money we get for de gea is going to pay wasted on having to pay even more to Ajax.
 
Those tweets are misleading. I've looked for the article from 4 weeks ago and they're referring to this:

'Ajax have made a shadowlist of goalkeepers in case Manchester United want to sign Cillessen. There has been no contact between MUFC and Ajax but the latter don't want another scenario like the year before when Blind got bought last second and couldn't be replaced in time.'

This makes sense since Ajax their second keeper is Diederik Boer, a veteran keeper who's not good enough to be their number one. It makes sense for Ajax to plan ahead, even if they don't want to sell. Still nothing new to note on this one, the Dutch press have been silent and would surely break the news that there at least has been contact if anything was going on.
 
Roboc7 said:
Or he is just a very average player who has only got a chance because he is better than other poorer options and his form may be temporary.
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He was voted Dutch player of the year, last season.
I assure you, he isnt being "rated" because of a lack of decent players in the Dutch league.
The main thing I like about him is that he appears to be incredibly calm. Some keepers panic when the pressure is on and the ball is incoming, but not this guy.

In saying all of the above, I was actually pretty satisfied with Romero yesterday.
I have no confidence in Valdes. None at all and I think he is not suited to the EPL, but Romero is decent and will get significantly better. LVG stated that Romero was only told that he would be in goal a few days ago, which could not have been easy.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if DDG leaves, we should give Romero this season to prove himself. I genuinely believe that Romero could great for us.
 
sunama said:
He was voted Dutch player of the year, last season.
I assure you, he isnt being "rated" because of a lack of decent players in the Dutch league.
The main thing I like about him is that he appears to be incredibly calm. Some keepers panic when the pressure is on and the ball is incoming, but not this guy.

In saying all of the above, I was actually pretty satisfied with Romero yesterday.
I have no confidence in Valdes. None at all and I think he is not suited to the EPL, but Romero is decent and will get significantly better. LVG stated that Romero was only told that he would be in goal a few days ago, which could not have been easy.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if DDG leaves, we should give Romero this season to prove himself. I genuinely believe that Romero could great for us.
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There isn't great goalkeeping talent at Ajax or in the Dutch national team, I though guardado was player of year in holland as well but that could be wrong.

I still think he is average, no better than Romero and would be no more than a stop gap so paying a big fee makes no sense and there are better options. I agree Valdes isn't suited to the league but he is a much keeper than cillessen.
 
Roboc7 said:
There isn't great goalkeeping talent at Ajax or in the Dutch national team, I though guardado was player of year in holland as well but that could be wrong.

I still think he is average, no better than Romero and would be no more than a stop gap so paying a big fee makes no sense and there are better options. I agree Valdes isn't suited to the league but he is a much keeper than cillessen.
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Guardado won the Voetbal International (respected & trusted football magazine) player of the year. Cillessen won the Ajax player of the year voted by players and Ajax player of the year voted by supporters. Cillessen was VI player of the year the year before the WC, which is impressive since he only won his starting place late during that season.
 
NL Max said:
Guardado won the Voetbal International (respected & trusted football magazine) player of the year. Cillessen won the Ajax player of the year voted by players and Ajax player of the year voted by supporters. Cillessen was VI player of the year the year before the WC, which is impressive since he only won his starting place late during that season.
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I thought Daley blind was the football of the year before guardado but maybe that confused with the Ajax award.
 
I'd feel a lot more confident about Cillessen if he was 6'3"+. There's something about keepers shorter than that which doesn't seem right.
 
Rowem said:
I'd feel a lot more confident about Cillessen if he was 6'3"+. There's something about keepers shorter than that which doesn't seem right.
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He also looks smaller then he is because he's a bit weedy looking.

I was actually pretty impressed by how much of a presence Romero was yesterday... looked huge in net.
 
Roboc7 said:
I thought Daley blind was the football of the year before guardado but maybe that confused with the Ajax award.
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We have a habit of inventing awards for players on here. See Kagawa - footballer of the year in Germany. That was peddled out here like a fact for years - which I believe in reality was him winning some poll on a website.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
He also looks smaller then he is because he's a bit weedy looking.

I was actually pretty impressed by how much of a presence Romero was yesterday... looked huge in net.
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Romero suffers from the Pepe Reina syndrome. I just can't trust his head/hair/face - just always looks guilty of something.
 
Skills said:
Romero suffers from the Pepe Reina syndrome. I just can't trust his head/hair/face - just always looks guilty of something.
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Looking like he's snorted a line before coming on the field? If so, I'm with you....
 
Roboc7 said:
I thought Daley blind was the football of the year before guardado but maybe that confused with the Ajax award.
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Skills said:
We have a habit of inventing awards for players on here. See Kagawa - footballer of the year in Germany. That was peddled out here like a fact for years - which I believe in reality was him winning some poll on a website.
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Robo is right though, Blind won the Ajax footballer of the year. Cillessen won VI footballer of the year that season.
 
Looks like Ajax have had a heads up from us long ago that he is who we will go for and all De Boer is saying is he can go but they need to pay top dollar. I imagine this is what Van Gaal refers to when he said yesterday regarding De Gea that when we buy players we pay a lot of money so when we sell players we need to sell at the same level. The last thing he will want is to sell De Gea and pay more money for this guy.

I'll trust Van Gaal on this though. After all the crap posted about Romero it shows most here haven't got a clue and a lot of the same suspects posting the same about Cillessen.
 
MarkC said:
Looks like Ajax have had a heads up from us long ago that he is who we will go for and all De Boer is saying is he can go but they need to pay top dollar. I imagine this is what Van Gaal refers to when he said yesterday regarding De Gea that when we buy players we pay a lot of money so when we sell players we need to sell at the same level. The last thing he will want is to sell De Gea and pay more money for this guy.

I'll trust Van Gaal on this though. After all the crap posted about Romero it shows most here haven't got a clue and a lot of the same suspects posting the same about Cillessen.
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Dutch sources claim otherwise and said a month ago that there has been no contact between the clubs, they've written nothing on the matter since.

De Boer has been stellar in that they don't want to sell, but Dutch clubs can hardly say no if we come for one of their players so he's keeping his options open. It's still possible we will buy Cillessen but Dutch sources will break that news, so far there has been nothing.
 
Cina said:
I'll be pissed if we buy him. I remember someone on here saying that when LvG was at Barca he alienated and sold some of their best players and replaced them with average Dutch players. Obviously it's not his fault DDG is leaving but Cilesson would be a really shitty replacement.
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When he joined Bayern he also brought in Edson Braafheid and Danijel Pranjic from the Eredivisie. Pranjic was an alright squad player I guess, Braafheid was simply horrible though. I guess you could say Arjen Robben was a success though, so 1/3 worked out well. He does seem to always bring in Dutch players though. :lol:
 
Do we really need him? We have so many options available at the club, Valdes, Romero, Lindegaard and Johnstone and DDG himself its crazy to add another keeper into that mix. If DDG leaves then we have better options available that are not Cillessen, even Valdes can get back into the first team
 
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