I don't think he's shite, neither is Sergio Romero, but if we go in the season with Smalling and Jones as our main centre-backs we'll need someone with better defensive qualities than those two, and there are keepers on the market who are better, and we have the money, so it's a no brainer that we'd buy someone better IMO.
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I didnt say you thin he's shite. 2nd part was for those who think that.
I agree with the things you wrote though. I Hope DDG will stay this season and next summer we'll buy a new nr. 1.
I have said he is rubbish a few times and I always get asked the same thing "how many times have you seen him play?"
I saw him play the entirety of the World Cup, maybe 5 times since watching Holland to look out for Memphis (even before the Utd links as he really impressed me) and a couple of times for Ajax.
Okay its hardly the course of a season but its enough. I only had to see De Gea play for Atletico 2/3 times before I knew he'd become the best. Same with Neuer, Schmeichel and Edwin. The great GKs I have always had a good eye for (it was my childhood position) and Cillessen is not one. Not even close.
People dont like to hear the negative and want to ask "how often you seen him" to try to debunk negativity. But the fact is he isn't good enough. It would be worse than replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and would be a signing which, unless we drastically improve outr defense in the next month, would cost us quite a number of points.
I'm not trying to bebunk the negativity, I'm just curious.
Fair assessment btw.
Mate, you probably weren't even born when Schmeichel was almost single-handedly winning Euro '92.
In the cases of Edwin and Big Pete, I obviously didn't see them before they got their big moves. But you don't need to see GKs like that more than a couple of times to know they are the real deal. De Gea and Neuer I saw play before their transfers.
Mate, you probably weren't even born when Schmeichel was almost single-handedly winning Euro '92.
In the case of De Gea I think I actually saw his debut, or at least one of his very first matches.
If he grew a shit beard he'd be a better keeper. I honestly think most people think he's a bad keeper because he looks like a bit of a pussy.
Granted, I haven't seen him play more than 6-8 times, but he's played plenty of games for Ajax & Holland so he's obviously not as bad as some people are making out.
I'd guess that Romero has been brought in strictly as a backup & Cillessen would be brought in as number 1 if De Gea leaves.
Granted, I haven't seen him play more than 6-8 times, but he's played plenty of games for Ajax & Holland so he's obviously not as bad as some people are making out.
I'd guess that Romero has been brought in strictly as a backup & Cillessen would be brought in as number 1 if De Gea leaves.
Can someone tell me how many times you need to see someone play football before you're allowed to form an opinion on him? Is there a mathematical equation used to figure this out?
We better not end up with this guy. Going from DDG/Valdes to Cillessen/Romero is like going from Suarez/Sturridge to Lambert/Balloteli.
I'd rather give Sam Johnstone a chance than him.
Doesn't everyone just lie?
I really hope we won't replace De Gea with Cillessen, due respects to the lad, he's not shit, but come on, we can and should do better than that. Leno or Oblak all day for me.
Cillessen is better than Oblak. Oblak is seriously overrated here based in one match.
Leno is around the same level as Cillessen. Cillessen more suited to our game though (better with the ball and arguably better in crosses).
No impact at all on mine as I don't think penalties are the be all and end all by a long stretch as there have been keepers who were great in shoot-outs but far from great keepers in general, and on top of that it seemed more of an eccentric mind game form LvG to me.
No sir.
Cillessen, Oblak etc
They're not good enough for Man United. We try to compete for the League and in a near future for the CL again. We had Van Der Sar, and a wonderful talent in De Gea maturing in one of the 3/4 best keepers in the world. We can't afford to drop our excpectation in such a position.
We saw down the years the importance of the GK, and the CB pairs, mainly the basis of our success between 2006 and 2011. We can't afford a weaker keeper and weaker defense.
I've nothing against Cillessen, but I just judge that he's not good enough for the position. What he shows with Ajax is not wonderful, like what Edwin did in his time there, or Cillessen doesn't shows the talent that De Gea had before coming to United.
Arsenal and Chelsea have top keeper, we should have one.
I'm not a big fan of him, but I would rather get Lloris in case of DDG's departure. A lot are talking about Leno, but to be honest I don't know much of him.
They're not good enough for Man United. We try to compete for the League and in a near future for the CL again. We had Van Der Sar, and a wonderful talent in De Gea maturing in one of the 3/4 best keepers in the world. We can't afford to drop our excpectation in such a position.
We saw down the years the importance of the GK, and the CB pairs, mainly the basis of our success between 2006 and 2011. We can't afford a weaker keeper and weaker defense.
I've nothing against Cillessen, but I just judge that he's not good enough for the position. What he shows with Ajax is not wonderful, like what Edwin did in his time there, or Cillessen doesn't shows the talent that De Gea had before coming to United.
Arsenal and Chelsea have top keeper, we should have one.
I'm not a big fan of him, but I would rather get Lloris in case of DDG's departure. A lot are talking about Leno, but to be honest I don't know much of him.
The bits I've heard about Leno seem to suggest he'd have to keep improving quite a bit before he's a top GK?
Not that many top class keepers around I guess, especially ones that fit whatever weird idea LVG has of what makes a brilliant goalkeeper.
Been a while since GK was one of our problem positions but we could well see a return to that uncertainty given our options.
Not that many top class keepers around I guess, especially ones that fit whatever weird idea LVG has of what makes a brilliant goalkeeper.
Been a while since GK was one of our problem positions but we could well see a return to that uncertainty given our options.
You make it sound like it's a question of entitlement ... and as if it's merely a question of United choosing who they want to replace de Gea. But in the real world, most of the GKs that you might want are simply not available.
So it's best to focus on realistic options, because common sense will tell you that Spurs are not going to sell Lloris - the team captain - to a Prem rival that they play in just 11 days from now.
De Gea was far from top class when he arrived but he developed into a top keeper and won a title along the way. I don't think a ready made top class keeper is essential if there is the potential in him. Players will grow quickly at United if they're good enough, if they're not then the club will just spit them out. It all comes down to trust in the manager and I'd trust LVG here with a player he knows well.
Not after we put five goals in his net?
Agree with this. Its not unusual for a player to be bought and grow into their role at the club.
Whilst I get where you're coming from, it's not directly comparible. De Gea was 21, and possessed a lot of the raw talent/ability that I imagine a lot of Cillessen's biggest fans will admit that, frankly, he doesn't have.
This. If anything Cillessen going up a level this time into his career isn't encouraging at all. It shows it's probably his best level and it isn't good enough for this club.
De Gea stepped it up early and is still in his early years. Frightening what he could be like in 4 years time.
I admire your confidence. Five goals will be fine, as long as Spurs put six past de Gea ... if it is de Gea.
He would only be cup tied if Ajax progressed through this round.
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And that's why we're keeping De Gea for another year.
He's playing tonight too.
Playing for Ajax.
The rags must be sad....no more bs to sell newspapers.
The rags must be sad....no more bs to sell newspapers.
I've had a look at the guidelines. You are not cup tied if you've played in one of the four qualifying rounds. He can play in the playoffs and he still won't be cup tied for the group stage.
He was genuinely crap tonight, never a United quality keeper. His kicking was atrocious.
Guaranteed 20% more shots saved.
Looks like he borrowed Fellaini's pubic hair and superglued it on... nevertheless 20% shots saved confirmed.
Only if Ajax fail to qualify, I think.
I don't see anything about that.
As a rule, a player may not play in a UEFA club competition (i.e. UEFA Champions
League and UEFA Europa League, but not UEFA Super Cup) for more than one
club in the course of the same season. Exceptionally, however, a player who has
been fielded in the first, second, third qualifying round or the play-offs of the
UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League is entitled to play in the UEFA
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stage. Moreover, as from the start of the round of 16, a player can be registered in
accordance with Paragraph 44.01 to Paragraph 44.04. A substitute player who has
not been fielded is entitled to play for another club competing in the UEFA
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Hmmm, looks like you are right. I was sure I saw somewhere that his team must not qualify, but if it's not on the official site, then it must not be true.
Ogden's latest article reaffirming LvG's interest in Cillessen:
".....To further complicate matters for Van Gaal, his preferred replacement for De Gea should he be sold to Real – Ajax goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen – is now potentially cup-tied for this season’s Champions League after playing in the Dutch club’s qualifier against Rapid Vienna on Wednesday".
".....To further complicate matters for Van Gaal, his preferred replacement for De Gea should he be sold to Real – Ajax goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen – is now potentially cup-tied for this season’s Champions League after playing in the Dutch club’s qualifier against Rapid Vienna on Wednesday".
That certainly does throw a spanner in the works
So maybe we try for Lloris
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