Jasper Cillessen | Barcelona player

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NL Max said:
Dutch sources claim otherwise and said a month ago that there has been no contact between the clubs, they've written nothing on the matter since.

De Boer has been stellar in that they don't want to sell, but Dutch clubs can hardly say no if we come for one of their players so he's keeping his options open. It's still possible we will buy Cillessen but Dutch sources will break that news, so far there has been nothing.
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Seems very strange for a manager to talk so much about us based on a presumption about De Gea leaving and us going for him without knowing something we don't, he is just fueling the fire by talking specifically about a rumour on numerous occasions. His words to me even though he says he doesn't want to sell basically say we can have him if we want him enough which if there is nothing going on and he is so desperate to keep him is pretty stupid as he is basically doing the agents job of creating the links and the headlines.

With the lack of options out there for goalkeepers and the amount Spurs will want for Lloris this one seems to be the one with most chance of happening if De Gea goes.
 
MarkC said:
Seems very strange for a manager to talk so much about us based on a presumption about De Gea leaving and us going for him without knowing something we don't, he is just fueling the fire by talking specifically about a rumour on numerous occasions. His words to me even though he says he doesn't want to sell basically say we can have him if we want him enough which if there is nothing going on and he is so desperate to keep him is pretty stupid as he is basically doing the agents job of creating the links and the headlines.

With the lack of options out there for goalkeepers and the amount Spurs will want for Lloris this one seems to be the one with most chance of happening if De Gea goes.
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It's not so strange if you know de Boer, he's just very honoust and answered questions about a transfer. Before the match against Rapid Vienna Cillessen got injured, de Boer said 'I would almost say luckily, (because) it has nothing to do with a transfer'. Cillessen recovered in time and played just like de Boer hoped, so there was nothing of a transfer happening.

He knows he can't hold onto Cillessen if we do come knocking, that's just what the Eredivise has become. We are seriously lacking money in our competition and that's only getting worse compared to other leagues. He wouldn't keep playing him if he knew he was off, but Ajax really don't want to lose him and according to Dutch sources there has been no contact. This can change as a deal can be struck quickly, but as long as that hasn't happened I'm in the 'he's Dutch so he's linked to MUFC'-camp.

I'm sure there are better options out there, including a more expensive Lloris.
 
Fair point over lack of Dutch press reporting this, I can't help but think we may have sorted things in the background and waiting on De Gea before we pull the trigger, similar to how Blind came in almost last minute of last summer, it seems to me we'd clearly lined him up before hand, waiting for other transfer possiblities before Ok'ing the deal.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Fair point over lack of Dutch press reporting this, I can't help but think we may have sorted things in the background and waiting on De Gea before we pull the trigger, similar to how Blind came in almost last minute of last summer, it seems to me we'd clearly lined him up before hand, waiting for other transfer possiblities before Ok'ing the deal.
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We came in so late for Blind that Ajax couldn't replace him before the window shut. That's why Ajax have said to VI that they are now prepared and have a shadowlist of goalkeepers to follow, they don't want the same scenario as they can't replace Cillessen as easily with Diederik Boer as their 2nd keeper (not good enough). They also said that they haven't received a signal from us at all but want to be prepared anyways, which I can only applaud them for as that's the only logical thing to do.

So far it's been all speculation, even that we enquired for Memphis got leaked weeks in advance by VI. If anything changes, I'll post it ofcourse.
 
NL Max said:
It's not so strange if you know de Boer, he's just very honoust and answered questions about a transfer. Before the match against Rapid Vienna Cillessen got injured, de Boer said 'I would almost say luckily, (because) it has nothing to do with a transfer'. Cillessen recovered in time and played just like de Boer hoped, so there was nothing of a transfer happening.

He knows he can't hold onto Cillessen if we do come knocking, that's just what the Eredivise has become. We are seriously lacking money in our competition and that's only getting worse compared to other leagues. He wouldn't keep playing him if he knew he was off, but Ajax really don't want to lose him and according to Dutch sources there has been no contact. This can change as a deal can be struck quickly, but as long as that hasn't happened I'm in the 'he's Dutch so he's linked to MUFC'-camp.

I'm sure there are better options out there, including a more expensive Lloris.
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I understand on the honesty front as Van Gaal and other Dutch managers have surprised me with their honesty. At the same time they all pick their words carefully and seem very aware how these kind of things sometimes have to be "nipped in the bud". He has made it clear earlier in the season his stance that with enough money we could buy him surely now he should just say look I answered long ago nothing has changed there is nothing to talk about? It isn't good for managers to be creating headlines if they know there is no substance to it.

De Gea is an example Van Gaal has come out and said it may happen etc and this generates stories. I very much doubt Van Gaal would say this though without knowing there is truth in it. It's unusual for managers to answer what is purely speculation by saying they would sell for the right amount especially if their desire is really to keep that player. Maybe just too honest but if it is just honesty it's very naive in my opinion.

Who would you go for apart from Lloris? I think as time drags on Spurs will be very hard to get Lloris from without paying silly money. De Gea is great but i'd hate to see us end up paying more to downgrade.
 
MarkC said:
I understand on the honesty front as Van Gaal and other Dutch managers have surprised me with their honesty. At the same time they all pick their words carefully and seem very aware how these kind of things sometimes have to be "nipped in the bud". He has made it clear earlier in the season his stance that with enough money we could buy him surely now he should just say look I answered long ago nothing has changed there is nothing to talk about? It isn't good for managers to be creating headlines if they know there is no substance to it.

De Gea is an example Van Gaal has come out and said it may happen etc and this generates stories. I very much doubt Van Gaal would say this though without knowing there is truth in it. It's unusual for managers to answer what is purely speculation by saying they would sell for the right amount especially if their desire is really to keep that player. Maybe just too honest but if it is just honesty it's very naive in my opinion.

Who would you go for apart from Lloris? I think as time drags on Spurs will be very hard to get Lloris from without paying silly money. De Gea is great but i'd hate to see us end up paying more to downgrade.
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Like I said, no headlines at all here in the Netherlands. The only thing de Boer has done is deny everything time after time when asked, yet the English press love to twist his words to make headlines. It isn't his problem the English press twists his words, even Cillessen denied any contact with MUFC and said he planned on staying at Ajax because he signed a new contract. The press aren't like hounds here who analyse every word compared to England/Spain.

Ofcourse de Boer can't say 'he's staying 100%', because they can't guarantee what will happen in the transfer window. They are a rich Dutch club but cannot say no to a big offer (bear in mind- 20m Euro is seen as alot here).

I don't mind paying silly money for Lloris if de Gea goes, Spurs have got a good backup goalkeeper already and I think Lloris is the best goalkeeper we can get. Might also be one of the reasons we hold out for a big fee for David, we'd look like mugs if we spent more on a inferior goalkeeper. If not him I wouldn't know, I'd like a talented goalkeeper a bit like the Darmian signing but wouldn't mind Cillessen too much as I see him as a talent aswell.
 
MarkC said:
Looks like Ajax have had a heads up from us long ago that he is who we will go for and all De Boer is saying is he can go but they need to pay top dollar. I imagine this is what Van Gaal refers to when he said yesterday regarding De Gea that when we buy players we pay a lot of money so when we sell players we need to sell at the same level. The last thing he will want is to sell De Gea and pay more money for this guy.

I'll trust Van Gaal on this though. After all the crap posted about Romero it shows most here haven't got a clue and a lot of the same suspects posting the same about Cillessen.
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So Romero is good enough based on one game? Taibi was man of the match on his debut, let's judge him over a longer period and see how he gets on. He has only been a regular in holland and in serie b so I don't see why anyone takes offence at suggestions Romero is a pretty average keeper.

The likelihood of Romero or cillessen ever being one of top five keepers in the league is pretty low and it will be really odd if that is best we can do.
 
AbusementPark said:
Do we really need him? We have so many options available at the club, Valdes, Romero, Lindegaard and Johnstone and DDG ...
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LVG: We need to buy another GK.
Woodward: You already have 3. err 4, no 5 keepers?
Woodward: Do you feel that a 6th keeper is necessary to get top 3?
LVG: my philosophy requires 6 GKs.

I must admit that it is utterly bizarre that we have so many GKs on our books are may be buying another.
I've said it earlier in this thread - I think we should give Romero 1 season to prove himself, if DDG leaves.
If DDG stays, he should start. If he messes up, Romero can take over.
 
sunama said:
LVG: We need to buy another GK.
Woodward: You already have 3. err 4, no 5 keepers?
Woodward: Do you feel that a 6th keeper is necessary to get top 3?
LVG: my philosophy requires 6 GKs.

I must admit that it is utterly bizarre that we have so many GKs on our books are may be buying another.
I've said it earlier in this thread - I think we should give Romero 1 season to prove himself, if DDG leaves.
If DDG stays, he should start. If he messes up, Romero can take over.
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Valdes and Lindegaard on their way as soon as they can find a club, Johnstone likely to go back to Preston once the De Gea situation is resolved.
 
sunama said:
LVG: We need to buy another GK.
Woodward: You already have 3. err 4, no 5 keepers?
Woodward: Do you feel that a 6th keeper is necessary to get top 3?
LVG: my philosophy requires 6 GKs.

I must admit that it is utterly bizarre that we have so many GKs on our books are may be buying another.
I've said it earlier in this thread - I think we should give Romero 1 season to prove himself, if DDG leaves.
If DDG stays, he should start. If he messes up, Romero can take over.
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I like it :)
 
sunama said:
LVG: We need to buy another GK.
Woodward: You already have 3. err 4, no 5 keepers?
Woodward: Do you feel that a 6th keeper is necessary to get top 3?
LVG: my philosophy requires 6 GKs.

I must admit that it is utterly bizarre that we have so many GKs on our books are may be buying another.
I've said it earlier in this thread - I think we should give Romero 1 season to prove himself, if DDG leaves.
If DDG stays, he should start. If he messes up, Romero can take over.
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It's not really complicated, is it? We have one top class keeper. If he leaves we'll replace him with another expensive keeper. We have Valdes, who may or may not have recovered and is on his way if we can get rid. We have two experienced second choice keepers, neither of whom are good enough to be first choice and one of whom, Lindegaard, has been available for a while. And then there's Johnstone, who'll be allowed to leave on loan if we have enough keepers left.

Having them all at the same time might seem overkill, but it's just an issue of timing. By then end of the window it'll be A N Other, Romero and either Johnstone or Lindegaard. The rest will have been shifted.
 
datura said:
Valdes and Lindegaard on their way as soon as they can find a club, Johnstone likely to go back to Preston once the De Gea situation is resolved.
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Think Valdes is defo gone, he was the only one not wearing the official United suit and tie. Think he is more trouble than he is worth to be fair.
 
Roboc7 said:
So Romero is good enough based on one game? Taibi was man of the match on his debut, let's judge him over a longer period and see how he gets on. He has only been a regular in holland and in serie b so I don't see why anyone takes offence at suggestions Romero is a pretty average keeper.

The likelihood of Romero or cillessen ever being one of top five keepers in the league is pretty low and it will be really odd if that is best we can do.
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According to this place the guy is an absolute liability who would cost us big time if we had him in goal. Pretty far away from what actually happened so excuse me for taking opinions from the same folks on Cillessen with a pinch of salt.
 
NL Max said:
Like I said, no headlines at all here in the Netherlands. The only thing de Boer has done is deny everything time after time when asked, yet the English press love to twist his words to make headlines. It isn't his problem the English press twists his words, even Cillessen denied any contact with MUFC and said he planned on staying at Ajax because he signed a new contract. The press aren't like hounds here who analyse every word compared to England/Spain.

Ofcourse de Boer can't say 'he's staying 100%', because they can't guarantee what will happen in the transfer window. They are a rich Dutch club but cannot say no to a big offer (bear in mind- 20m Euro is seen as alot here).

I don't mind paying silly money for Lloris if de Gea goes, Spurs have got a good backup goalkeeper already and I think Lloris is the best goalkeeper we can get. Might also be one of the reasons we hold out for a big fee for David, we'd look like mugs if we spent more on a inferior goalkeeper. If not him I wouldn't know, I'd like a talented goalkeeper a bit like the Darmian signing but wouldn't mind Cillessen too much as I see him as a talent aswell.
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The quotes we have had from De Boer over here have been on 2/3 occasions going back over the last 6-8 weeks now stating he will sell if we come with the right offer basically they won't turn it down? Are these true?

It's maybe been twisted in translation that's what I get for going in the transfer tweets thread.
 
De Gea will stay I think, but if he goes, then we can sign Lloris or Handanovic, If De Gea stays, keep an eye on those two, including Leno and Oblak.
 
I'd say putting him in the top 10-15 goalies in the world would be generous, so going from one of the top 2 or 3 keepers to that would be a big step down, even if he does cost us a fortune.
 
MarkC said:
The quotes we have had from De Boer over here have been on 2/3 occasions going back over the last 6-8 weeks now stating he will sell if we come with the right offer basically they won't turn it down? Are these true?

It's maybe been twisted in translation that's what I get for going in the transfer tweets thread.
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This is all from the top of my head as I cba to go back and search for it all but it's fairly accurate, Frank de Boer has always been consistent in his words on this matter. Ajax don't want to sell and Cillessen isn't looking for a move (he said this: I wouldn't have signed a contract if I didn't plan on staying). Ajax have good contact with VI and that source has stated a month ago that there has been no contact between MUFC and Ajax, but Ajax did make a shadowlist of replacements just in case. They don't want to be fecked over like what happened after Blind.

Another story popped up on the Cafe when Cillessen was injured 'ohh he isn't cuptying himself because he's moving'- didn't happen and Cillessen played after he recovered in time. De Boer never said he could block a move, but I'm sure they will play hardball meaning Woodward will have to pay more if van Gaal wants Cillessen. De Boer knows how powerfull we are financially and if Cillessen is interested (he might be) he can't stop the transfer, that is fairly common knowledge in Holland as no player is unsellable when bigger clubs come knocking. Ajax will sell for the right offer even if they don't want to.

So far the links to Cillessen are as reliable as the links to Gaitan.
 
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NL Max said:
Robo is right though, Blind won the Ajax footballer of the year. Cillessen won VI footballer of the year that season.
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Blind was the Dutch footballer of the year 2013-14 and Ajax player of the yet in 12-13 right?
 
prath92 said:
Blind was the Dutch footballer of the year 2013-14 and Ajax player of the yet in 12-13 right?
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Yes. We got too many personal prizes: Voetbal International has their own competition, the league has their own (which Blind won in 13-14) and Ajax as a club does so too.
 
evra said:
I wish we were being linked to other GK's - it seems this is the only one with any legitimacy.
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I might aswell stop posting in here, nobody reads it anyways..
 
I haven't seen him for Ajax so I'm probably not knowledgeable enough to give some opinion about him. But LvG has never bought a key player because of convenience before. He has worked with tons of players but bought Blind Memphis Schweini and Romero. All in their own ways fully justified. So even if he ends up buying cillessen I do think it will not be because he wanted a friendly face.
 
I really hope that Madrid start the season off with a bang crushing teams and keeping cleaning sheets, thus refusing to pay the De Gea fee...I dont want us to take a chance with this guy..Ive seen enough good keepers at United, that were not enough though for United..lets take a year of intensive scouting..if he is still the top candidate after that, yes..sign him..but I doubt that very much..
 
evra said:
He will get eaten alive in the Prem, too short and not physical enough to deal with crosses. I like his distribution and shot stopping but there must be someone out there who offers both.
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You really didn't read any of my posts did you? The only Dutch source who linked us to Cillessen also linked us to Gaitan and Vlaar. All the reliable Dutch media haven't written a thing, whilst they broke the news of Memphis/Blind and just about any Dutch player in the world who makes a transfer.
 
NL Max said:
You really didn't read any of my posts did you? The only Dutch source who linked us to Cillessen also linked us to Gaitan and Vlaar. All the reliable Dutch media haven't written a thing, whilst they broke the news of Memphis/Blind and just about any Dutch player in the world who makes a transfer.
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I didn't, but I find it alarming that he is the only GK being linked to us, even if that link is derived from an unreliable source.
 
evra said:
I didn't, but I find it alarming that he is the only GK being linked to us, even if that link is derived from an unreliable source.
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Lloris was linked to us earlier this summer though, but I haven't read anything about it for weeks now.
 
evra said:
I didn't, but I find it alarming that he is the only GK being linked to us, even if that link is derived from an unreliable source.
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Jan Oblak has been linked and its been mentioned we had a bid rejected.
 
evra said:
I didn't, but I find it alarming that he is the only GK being linked to us, even if that link is derived from an unreliable source.
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Who do you trust more, some random (probably English) media or the club Ajax, Frank de Boer who's about as honost as you'll find and Voetbal International who's been 100% correct during the whole Memphis transfer and who have just as good sources within Ajax as they do with PSV?

If we enquire for Cillessen that news will be on the VI website within hours, but so far nothing despite all the claims during this summer. So being linked to him says feck all as obviously nothing has happened yet, Cillessen has played every match too which he wouldn't if a transfer was happening. If we're in for him that news will be leaked, so may I suggest calming down from the panic untill that actually happens?

Devil may care said:
LvG does seem to want another keeper if De Gea goes, if this is just lazy UK journalism who do you fancy we'll go for?
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My choice would be Lloris, not overly sold on Oblak myself from the games I've seen from him. I don't think we'll go for Cillessen as he's just as much a work in progress as someone like Leno would be.
 
NL Max said:
My choice would be Lloris, not overly sold on Oblak myself from the games I've seen from him. I don't think we'll go for Cillessen as he's just as much a work in progress as someone like Leno would be.
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I think Lloris would be ideal, he's much better than some here give him credit for and is PL tested.
 
Devil may care said:
I think Lloris would be ideal, he's much better than some here give him credit for and is PL tested.
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Overstated. Any quality keeper will adjust to a new league soon enough. I think Lloris will be overpriced and he's overrated.
 
Gab Marcotti thinks there's a 4/10 chance Cillesen will join United.
 
Loublaze said:
Overstated. Any quality keeper will adjust to a new league soon enough. I think Lloris will be overpriced and he's overrated.
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It's not overstated, we practically had to retrain De Gea who didn't know what commanding his box and dealing with an aerial threat meant. Lloris has been a successful keeper in the PL for a number of years now and is ready made to step straight in as we don't have the top CB's we had while wet nursing De Gea up to speed.
 
I'm sure he is our fallback option - but if we don't end up getting options A, B or C (one of those being De Gea staying) he may yet end up here, competing with Romero for the shirt
 
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