In my opinion de gea is a good 2-3 levels above what he was a year back. A year back he was a good keeper but now he is maybe the best in the world. I think frans hoek has a not so insignificant role in this transformation.
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In my opinion de gea is a good 2-3 levels above what he was a year back. A year back he was a good keeper but now he is maybe the best in the world. I think frans hoek has a not so insignificant role in this transformation.
Probably about as often as people have watched there so called favourite muppet players on here. So i agree with you.
I agree. But of course that doesn't mean that random fans from the internet know more than him. It also doesn't factor in the fact that managers look for human elements related to a players personality and work ethic that are generally invisible to fans who at best, seem them once a week for 90 min.
Yes, but how much does he go out? I know he doesn't make mistakes, but it's more because he doesn't try to much and not because he is great at it.
We should've signed Begovic, 8 mill was a bargain.
He's improved since but even last year he was still a) one of the outstanding young GKs in Europe and b) one of our best players. Not totally rating him was quite weird, even if he did quickly change his mind.
Would be a really under whelming signing, huge step back from de gea and I don't see him as any more than a stop gap, I seriously doubt he will last long as our number one he is just too average. In him and Romero LVG is just bringing in players he knows, neither are anywhere near as good as de gea or even Valdes.
His value should be nothing more than ten million, even that is over priced but paying more than that for someone who only has one full season of any note at the age of 26 would be stupid.
His value should be nothing more than ten million, even that is over priced but paying more than that for someone who only has one full season of any note at the age of 26 would be stupid.
He'll be back before the start of the season. Not as bad as first feared.
I also think he went through a really significant improvement between last season and the one before. Most dramatic improvement I've seen in a young United player since Ronaldo's breakout season.
I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that the Ramos/De Gea crap is going to drag on to the wire, meaning we'll have to act quick and it's much easier to get a Dutch club to sell a player at the last minute than a club like Leverkusen or Ateltico. At the end of the day human elements and all of this other stuff wont matter when a player lacks the attributes to fit the league he is joining, you don't need to be a football genius to see Cillisen is severely lacking and will add a huge weak link to our spine. It's like we could have Rooney/Schweinsteiger/Ramos........then Cillisen, that's a deficiency in the spine right away and undoes the other good work this window.
He got beaten by this goal today in the 82nd minute 
http://www.lastminutegoals.org/2015/07/22/saint-etienne-vs-ajax-highlights/
http://www.lastminutegoals.org/2015/07/22/saint-etienne-vs-ajax-highlights/
Or Cech for £11m.
He got beaten by this goal today in the 82nd minute
http://www.lastminutegoals.org/2015/07/22/saint-etienne-vs-ajax-highlights/
Good shot tbf.
Not surprised his little arms couldn't reach.
What a shocking signing this would be. Watch every single set piece be a heart in mouth situation.
I can't actually think of a single signing I have ever been so firmly against. What a monumental downgrade this would be. To go from arguably the best or second best GK on the planet to this guy..
What a shocking signing this would be. Watch every single set piece be a heart in mouth situation.
I can't actually think of a single signing I have ever been so firmly against. What a monumental downgrade this would be. To go from arguably the best or second best GK on the planet to this guy..
People acting like Ramos would make up for signing this plank are kidding themselves, Ramos couldn't do anything about Casillas fecks ups last season and Cillessen is no better than him.
Not even being dramatic I would prefer Sam Johnstone every time.
Anyone remotely reliable reporting this? Because reading through this thread is scaring me right now.
I haven't seen anything from cillessen to feel that he's at our level, the same for romero, both are only good enough for the bench.
I hope van gaal isn't just looking for familiar faces.
I hope van gaal isn't just looking for familiar faces.
Pedro, Valdes, Schweinsteiger, Muller, Romero and Cillessen are all names we've been linked with or signed who have worked with LvG before, perhaps not the most encouraging sign.
Didn't LVG bring a load of Dutch guys who weren't up to the job into Barca during his time there?
I hate that I have these pessimistic thoughts...
I hate that I have these pessimistic thoughts...
Blind and Basti say Hallo.
Pedro had never worked with van Gaal.
Is he shit in the same way that some people are saying Pedro is shit?
No, he's shit in the way a normal player might be shit.
I hate to say this as a dutchie, but surely Manchester United can do much better and that is just me expressing my thoughts mildly.
Well LVG's familiar faces worked so far.
Reports that he has said goodbye to teammates already
I haven't seen a lot of him to comment so ill reserve judgement
Personally would have liked to have seen Sam Johnstone given a chance
I haven't seen a lot of him to comment so ill reserve judgement
Personally would have liked to have seen Sam Johnstone given a chance
He's bang average from what I've seen from him in national shirt.
Doubt he'll get used to the PL as well.
Said it in the other thread as well, him and Romero seem to me like Barthez and Taibi.
and Valdes
Eight dutchies across two spells. Most of them worked out well enough, but not all: F. De Boer, R. De Boer, Kluivert, Cocu, Zenden, Bogarde, Reizeger, and Hesp.
He himself will say that he has learned a lot since then. It was 12-15 years ago. I think he has already proven that he's not hell bent on dutchifying the club, when he dropped RVP and then sold him. So far the two dutch players we have signed, one is Depay (probably the hottest young talent in the world right now), and the other Blind is a utility player who's been very useful.
Cillessen is a good player. He won Ajax player of the Year this year, which is tough to do as a keeper unless you have a largely flawless season. Was good at the World Cup too. No point comparing him to De Gea, because big Dave is on the verge of Van Der Saar/Schmeichel calibre. Only keepers who could adequately replace him are Courtois and Neuer, who are unattainable.
If we do sign this guy give him a chance, the manager and coach will have watched a lot of games from last season, it's plausible he won't be a weak link, even if he won't become a great goalkeeper it will be fine if he is good, not every player in our team has to be top three in his position, it's about building a team that works.
We won't sign him unless the manager and Hoek think they can work with him and he'll do a job for us, we have so much money, the manager knows he could throw that at a better keeper if he wanted too but if he trusts Cillessen then he'll sign him.
Defending, controlling games, scoring, it's a team effort, it's important in most games this season we outscore the opposition, it's all a team effort, I think it's important nobody is a weak link and everybody does their bit, then it will come together, it is possible Cillessen will play his part. De Gea had to bail us out last season but let's face it, if we're conceding so many chances this season then something is wrong with the team, not goalkeeper.
We won't sign him unless the manager and Hoek think they can work with him and he'll do a job for us, we have so much money, the manager knows he could throw that at a better keeper if he wanted too but if he trusts Cillessen then he'll sign him.
Defending, controlling games, scoring, it's a team effort, it's important in most games this season we outscore the opposition, it's all a team effort, I think it's important nobody is a weak link and everybody does their bit, then it will come together, it is possible Cillessen will play his part. De Gea had to bail us out last season but let's face it, if we're conceding so many chances this season then something is wrong with the team, not goalkeeper.
Come on guys, he's not that bad.
I dont think he is as bad as people are saying, that said 90% are just bitching cos we are not replacing De Gea with Neuer or have never even seen him play.
Cillessen has been excellent for the last two years, has safe hands and really good feet
One issue however, in the age of giants, is his height. He tends to punch the ball on crosses. The importance of having a big keeper is massive in England, unfortunately hes fail in that department.
Now Romero is just bad, his feet are terrible. I would rarher stick with Lindegaard as no 2 than get him
Cillessen has been excellent for the last two years, has safe hands and really good feet
One issue however, in the age of giants, is his height. He tends to punch the ball on crosses. The importance of having a big keeper is massive in England, unfortunately hes fail in that department.
Now Romero is just bad, his feet are terrible. I would rarher stick with Lindegaard as no 2 than get him
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Have to stick that in the 'unpopular opinions' thread. Personally, I have no idea how good/bad he is. I never even noticed him in the WC, so he probably didn't make any exceptional saves or bad mistakes.
Most people here won't have seen much of Cillessen.
But we don't need to have seen much of him to know that a) nobody really seems to rate him as a top class keeper and b) he'd be replacing one of the beat GK's in the world.
Even without seeing anything of him, those two facts alone would be enough to worry most reasonable people. Compare this to the quality of player we're pursuing in other positions and it becomes rather mystifying.
Think I remember our resident Dutch expert saying he was a good GK but that there was no chance we'd go for him as there were so many better options around. That kind of sums things up, yet we actually might be going for him.
But we don't need to have seen much of him to know that a) nobody really seems to rate him as a top class keeper and b) he'd be replacing one of the beat GK's in the world.
Even without seeing anything of him, those two facts alone would be enough to worry most reasonable people. Compare this to the quality of player we're pursuing in other positions and it becomes rather mystifying.
Think I remember our resident Dutch expert saying he was a good GK but that there was no chance we'd go for him as there were so many better options around. That kind of sums things up, yet we actually might be going for him.
I can assure you that i have seen plenty of games of him here in the Amsterdam Arena and i am coinvinced that he shouldnt be nowhere near Old Trafford.
Ah poo. I'm really worried now. All I've heard is bad things about him when people are talking about a potential move to United.
Why don't we just go for Leno, a keeper who's apparantly (can't say I've seen him play much either) perfect for the Prem in that he's strong and commanding as well as being a good shot stopper... or go all out for Lloris who's been good in this league and is still young enough to improve.
I don't understand some of LVG's decisions at all.
Nope, I don't get all the panic here and the mentioned fees are ridiculous
Dutch media will probably break the news and they have written nothing. Cillessen just played full 90 minutes, if he were about to leave he wouldn't of. Kishna who is about to be sold hasn't played a match at all. If we were to go for him it could be done within days, Ajax has a shadowlist of goalkeepers since they couldn't replace Blind in time. They don't want to sell though and Cillessen isn't the finished product, I don't think van Gaal will go for him. If he does, it won't be the end of the world since he's pretty good and has potential as he's a latebloomer. Hard for me to predict his potential because of it.
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No way will he cost that much, thats ridiculous.
After searching through clips in YouTube, he is not that bad really - good shot stopper, quick response and good in 1 vs 1 situation apparently. But no idea how error-prone and how good he is at dealing with cross.
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