Yeah don’t rate him myself, albeit he’d probably still be an improvement on the DM’s we have just purely because he can cover ground
Glad it’s not us spunking £50m on him
Jarrad Branthwaite
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Glad it’s not us spunking £50m on him
Reckon Inacio might be an option now
But you're so smart aren't you? So much smarter than everyone, so yeah, why do you bother with the simpletons on here, blinding us with the intensity of the halo of deep knowledge shining around your sagacious dome, your highness?
Every fanbase is like that, otherwise I agree with what you said.
Half this thread is about how he's another Maguire (whilst being a completely different type of defender) and how he isn't even worth 30-40m. He's right to call the fanbase clueless based on the Branthwaite thread
I want Everton to stay up anyway as I know that pisses the red scouse off so it's better that they keep Branthwaite especially as Onana will be tough for them to replace.
I hope Everton are happy keeping a player who doesn't want to be there
Don't think he has any quarrels with playing for Everton. Just that if the opportunity to play for United is there, he'd take it. If he continues to play well as he gets nearer to the end of the deal then the opportunity will always be there for him to go to a Top 6 club.
I think he's a very good CB and does the important job of being a good defender. On the technical side he isn't anywhere close to Licha or even let's say Maguire or Evans.
Honestly he reminds me of Maguire in his early days, very solid, but..
Agreed on Branthwaite but Onana sleepwalks into our midfield.
I hardly see Maguire making a slide tackle?
He always stays on his feet.
Brantwaithe is like Wan Bissaka with a stature of Mertersacker & the ambidexterity of Dalot.
The closest player i can compare him to at United is not Ferdinand or Maguire - its Vidic.
I meant more like how he looked like a really solid player for Leicester and Hull
Great news on Branthwaite. Huge bullet dodged.
I think part of the appeal with Branthwaite was his passport, so we might start seeing links to Guehi pick up a bit, especially given his contract situation. Different type of defender though.
I'm not sure Inacio is ready. His ability in possession is great, but I dunno if he's got the physicality for the PL yet.
This is great go in with a plan and not going over the odds. On to the next one.
That is pretty much correct comparison. With difference that full back can allow himself diving in tackles because there is often centre back covering his back. When centre back misses a tackle it leads to a goal chance.
Man, i do hope that we will avoid this bullet.
Guehi has been very good at the Euros & I would think there will be a fair bit of interest in him due to him not signing an extension.
So Yoro and Branthwaite deals are both off according to stories today?
Madrid waited for Mbappe to get him for free, what makes her believe they would even pay half of that on Branthwaite ?
Even now they aren't paying above 34m/p for the best upcoming 18YO CB in Europe
Even now they aren't paying above 34m/p for the best upcoming 18YO CB in Europe
I mean vidic used to dive all over place, with his face, his legs, his back..and he wasnt a full back.
Anyway, this is reminding me of Stones leaving Everton and how 96% of the Caf was laughing at how shit and overrated he was.
The same people jellied their pants begging for Sancho from Dortmund clearly shows that RedCafe as a whole is not a good enough place to determine a players potential.
Not even close. Tackle is one thing (Lisandro does them often too) and last ditch tackles (what Brantwaite does and what Jones did) is something completely different.
We all have opinion (and standards) about players. I think that he is bang average, overhyped defender. If we buy him and he proves me wrong......awesome.
Maguire, Gvardiol, Fofana benchmark that can’t make his international squad who are weak in that position. Everton are being greedy.
If we are considering going anywhere near that asking price then we should be not back away from Neves. Or even go and get Araujo out of Barcelona.
Brantwaithe is a very progressive tackler who tackles higher up the pitch.
When space does get exploited then he has good recovery pace to make these last ditch tackles. That doesn't mean its his only way of defending.
It's not the way he defends - he defends on the front foot higher up the pitch as possible, trying to intercept the ball by putting pressure directly on the attacker.
I dont think i'd want to remind anyone of Fofana if i was trying to sell a cb. Its a pretty silly list of examples.
He’s been injured for two years but was better than Branthwaite when he was at Leicester.
I can't believe that a villa fan is trolling us
Think this is dead in the water - if we pay more now it sends out the same message that Woody’s reign did.
We must move on to other targets, which I think we already are doing.
We must move on to other targets, which I think we already are doing.
Can someone explain to me why they want Branthwaite?
He's a good, not great defender (stats around 80th percentile in major categories) but he's terrible on the ball...as in bottom 15 percent...in all passing stats. We're a team that wants to be in possession and play a high line, but some people want a guy that's essentially a worse passing Harry Maguire. He doesn't complete progressive passes, doesn't carry progressively, or do anything of the things you need from a high line defender. Even for 40 mil he's a mistake.
He's a good, not great defender (stats around 80th percentile in major categories) but he's terrible on the ball...as in bottom 15 percent...in all passing stats. We're a team that wants to be in possession and play a high line, but some people want a guy that's essentially a worse passing Harry Maguire. He doesn't complete progressive passes, doesn't carry progressively, or do anything of the things you need from a high line defender. Even for 40 mil he's a mistake.
Agreed, all 3 are. Being injured for 2 years and it being doubtful that he'll recover to the same standard isn't a transfer i'd be looking to repeat. Probably highlights how stupidly risky it is to spend that kind of fee on a player.
You sound like Pool fans when they defend Nunez as "creator of chaos". Central defender who tackles much lacks positioning and game reading. And lets not pretend that he has some great recovery pace so "he can lose tackle high on the pitch". His pace is average.
Class defender (which should be a standard for United player) will position himself better and get the ball without tackle. Tackle is just last resort in defending.
To have defender like Branthwaite in attacking side which play with high defensive line, would be a disaster.
Okay.
Dealing with English clubs is just too difficult sometimes, made worse by the fact that they all hate us. We need to focus on overseas players.
Agree. It’s a complete waste of time they have no big picture thinking at all. We’ve offered more than fair money they could invest in their time and be proud of the fact a player is moving upwards in their career. Know your role.
Imagine trying to wum and spelling incoming wrong.
Nearly every PL club has a billionaire owner now and they all have pipe dreams of winning stuff. They don't need or want to sell their best assets anymore.
Hope we don't go any higher than what Everton have accepted from Villa for Onana.
A 22 year old CM who was a starter for Belgium at the Euro's goes for the right amount of money to another PL club. Demanding £20m more of United for a 21 year old CB who wasn't even named in the English Euro squad and who has less club and international experience!? Very much feels like that's the English Tax or the United Tax at play.
Removing the English / United tax - £50m is the highest amount anyone should be paying for either of them at this stage.
A 22 year old CM who was a starter for Belgium at the Euro's goes for the right amount of money to another PL club. Demanding £20m more of United for a 21 year old CB who wasn't even named in the English Euro squad and who has less club and international experience!? Very much feels like that's the English Tax or the United Tax at play.
Removing the English / United tax - £50m is the highest amount anyone should be paying for either of them at this stage.
Bit different considering Branthwaite is home-grown, younger and a defender which Everton are in short supply of as they prepare for their next relegation battle.
I mean he will be as available a year from now and probably not at a much higher sticker price unless he has a Nesta season or something.
Like I've said before, I don't understand why we've spent months on this deal when it was obvious (to me at least) that Everton were not going to budge. Making low ball offers that Everton weren't going to accept was very predictable. They obviously have a valuation and have stuck to it.
I think there's some very good deals to be done at CB, and I can't seem to understand why we we're wasting time on players who are overpriced or players like Leny Yoro who seemingly wants to join Real Madrid.
Liverpool in Klopp's early tenure are often used as a example of how you can be successful in the transfer market by going after players who you will most likely sign with a decent offer. And I think that approach created a strong foundation which would later result in them spending big on Van Dijk and Allison after the sale of Coutinho.
Castello Lukeba is a good option as a Branthwaite alternative from RB Leipzig and maybe a £45 + £5m could sway them to sell the player. And instead of Yoro, Ousmane Diomande would be a excellent alternative as a developmental prospect.
I think there's some very good deals to be done at CB, and I can't seem to understand why we we're wasting time on players who are overpriced or players like Leny Yoro who seemingly wants to join Real Madrid.
Liverpool in Klopp's early tenure are often used as a example of how you can be successful in the transfer market by going after players who you will most likely sign with a decent offer. And I think that approach created a strong foundation which would later result in them spending big on Van Dijk and Allison after the sale of Coutinho.
Castello Lukeba is a good option as a Branthwaite alternative from RB Leipzig and maybe a £45 + £5m could sway them to sell the player. And instead of Yoro, Ousmane Diomande would be a excellent alternative as a developmental prospect.
Villa fans are some of the most arrogant I’ve met, if you didn’t know better you’d genuinely believe they were our fierce rivals and they always finish above us.