That is not bad idea but you underestimate our players. 15 mil for Willy and Hannibal would be very bad deal, imo.
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Who was the last academy player we sold for significant money?
Elanga 15m
The fact is no one will pay that much for them. Hannibal had 1 decent to average loan on Championship before having an utter failure of a loan at Sevilla. Kambwala meanwhile spent most of his time here injured and with the u21s.
I'd rather say you are overestimating how much we can get for them.
If Branthwaite is worth 70m then Kambwala is worth a lot more than 15m
Jesus Christ.. I'm all for overrating our youngsters but Kambwala has done nothing to suggest he is worth anything close to what you are imagining, not yet anyways. He has around 22 appearances for us in like 3 years he's been with us.
Im just saying that if Branthwaite who was bought for £1m 3 years ago is worth £70m after 1 half decent season then Kambwala is worth a lot more than £15m
Their performances matter a lot. Branthwaite performed well enough in the Prem last season and has also impressed in the Dutch league before that on loan. Sure 70m is a lot but that is what he is worth to Everton. Right now Kambwala has proven nothing to attach those kind of fees to him.
The net is 55m, which is what I am endorsing paying for him. I am fairly sure that is clear.70m for fecking Branthwaite.
I'll be quite surprised if we don't sign de Ligt (with all the talk from the Tier 1 sources) regardless of what happens with the other transfers. I don't think Utd would go that far with player and club i.e string him along only to say 'we've got our other targets, sorry'. The same thing with Dan Ashworth. Unless I've misunderstood your post
I think we really are trying to get all three (happy fecking days!) or it will be either Yoro or Branthwaite. My guess it'll be the later by design and we'll end up paying closer to what Everton wants because Yoro is 50/50 at best.
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Your last para. is where I get frustrated with Everton. When you read about clubs having good relationships which aid transfer dealings Everton always seem to have selective amnesia.
Howard, Neville are 2 players who moved to you and gave you great service. Both reasonable fees.
Cleverly was due to sign for Villa for a decent fee until you guys destablised it and ended up getting him on a free.
James Garner another more recent transfer.
Hannibal was bought for 10-15m and if he were sold for that it would be seen as a great punt by the team getting him. Kambwala is 15m in this market.
it really would suprise me if after all this posturing and the deal closing Everton would come in with low ball offers for Maguire, Wan Bissaka or Lindelof.
I don’t buy the “good relationship” between PL clubs, or any non-associated clubs for that matter, when it comes to transfer. Clubs are run by people, and people change. The people who signed Howard and Neville are probably long gone, and even if they are not, those deals of ancient history will have zero impact on today’s transfers. Clubs are well within their rights to look after their financial well-being, especially so for Everton, so I don’t mind them one bit if they try to get the best price for their players.
That being said, I’m also entitled to my opinions that they’re being idiots for valuing Branthwaite at 70m though. I mean, WTF.
Everton will continue to benefit from United.
United keep players for longer which means they settle in the area with family and when the time comes for them to drop a level Everton are a great option for them. We generally don’t hold out for market rates either to facilitate it.
The sample is small and could just include Saha, Howard and Neville. But it will always be an option for Everton.
The way I see it is that we also need a cover at LB.
He can play both at center of the defense and LB as well even though he won't contribute as much as Shaw can offensively. I think he did play LB against Fulham and did quite well actually.
Given the injury to Malacia, we must be keen to find a backup for Shaw who hopefully can be our first-choice next season, I can see why Brathwaite is an interesting option even though not ideal.
Perhaps Maguire going the other way + 40m aint a bad option assuming we are getting Deligt and Yoro.
He can play both at center of the defense and LB as well even though he won't contribute as much as Shaw can offensively. I think he did play LB against Fulham and did quite well actually.
Given the injury to Malacia, we must be keen to find a backup for Shaw who hopefully can be our first-choice next season, I can see why Brathwaite is an interesting option even though not ideal.
Perhaps Maguire going the other way + 40m aint a bad option assuming we are getting Deligt and Yoro.
We would have no interest in Maguire, it's not the model we are following now.
It's pretty simple. We don't want to sell him unless you offer a deal that meets our valuation.
People using Saha, Gibson etc as examples are way off the mark.
You wanted them players gone. PSR is done for this year, and btw it sounds like your in a bigger mess than us!
And people saying 'utd is a great move for him' that maybe so... But your are not that attractive ATM. We know, and he knows that come next summer with another great season he could have more attractive moves.
Need I remind you.... You finished 8th last season
It's pretty simple. We don't want to sell him unless you offer a deal that meets our valuation.
People using Saha, Gibson etc as examples are way off the mark.
You wanted them players gone. PSR is done for this year, and btw it sounds like your in a bigger mess than us!
And people saying 'utd is a great move for him' that maybe so... But your are not that attractive ATM. We know, and he knows that come next summer with another great season he could have more attractive moves.
Need I remind you.... You finished 8th last season
No come on now...Plz don't ever compare Everton with us...Even in the worse of times, we will always be way too ahead of you....
One thing is for certain, we will either get a better prospect than him or we will get him...
What net, you are paying 55m plus 2 players, you can not be serious. He is not worth the 55m alone to begin with.
Ok, let me rephrase the question, when was the last time we sold an academy graduate for over 30m?
I haven't compared Utd to Everton? But jeez the arrogance from you... at your worse of times? I grew up in the 80's. Everton were bigger than you. Just as they were in the 00's,10's,20's,30's,40s,50's, etc.
You haven't always been the biggest club in England. Until the start of the PL you were in the arguement, but thats it. Liverpool were far bigger.
Now back to serious talk. Look at the young lad at Hull that we want. Everton are a far bigger club than Palace... but are we more attractive at the minute? Even though we only finished a few points behind them?
probably not.
In the same way you are not as attractive as City, Arsenal, Liverpool etc
Everton were bigger than Utd during Busby years?
The big three for many many decades have been Utd, Liverpool and arsenal.
Yeah you won more in the Busby years, but pre and after until fergie you didn't.
The big 3 started in the PL era/ Before the PL era Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton were the most succesful.
Things change, 20 years ago nobody would have believed City would be more succesful and more attractive than Utd.
I wasn't getting into a bigger club debate anyway.
i wasn't the one who compared Everton & Utd.
The big 3 started in the PL era/ Before the PL era Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton were the most succesful.
Things change, 20 years ago nobody would have believed City would be more succesful and more attractive than Utd.
I wasn't getting into a bigger club debate anyway.
i wasn't the one who compared Everton & Utd.
But are City really more successful and attractive than United? They have a huge cloud of fraud looming over them. Sure they have collected a crap load of trophies in this span, but they will always come with a huge asterix.
PL keeps changing, once Everton were on top, but that time has long gone. Every club has a chance of being irrelevant. However the goodwill united have accumulated is yet to run out.
RVN is meant to be a fan.
Great news if true. Neither is good enough for United.
You don’t seem to have a clue as to what you’re talking about.
That just means we will proceed with De Ligt and a 2nd. Both will be less than him and we'd be better off.
Onana being sold should draw a line under this now. I like Branthwaite but he was always going to be massively overpriced and never going to be sold for less than 65-70m as an absolute minimum. Find an alternative for less and then there is more money to spend elsewhere.
Be interesting to see who we move on to as I can’t see Yoro deal happening.
Be interesting to see who we move on to as I can’t see Yoro deal happening.
It'll be interesting to see if we target another left sided defender now in addition to De Ligt (who seems very close) and Yoro (who we were targeting due to him being an exceptional young talent).
Thank God
Cheers Villa. Did not want this guy at all.
Good. See you later.
We should have just gone for Onana ourselves.
Guess we'll end up only with De Ligt then
Ugarte is a far better option than Onana. I don’t see the hype with this guy, looked decent at the euros but has never really stood out for Everton whenever I’ve seen him.
Oh no
Anyways
Anyways
How come? Branthwaite and Yoro aren’t the only CB’s on the market. We’ve been linked with Hancko for example who’d be a much cheaper and more realistic option if we do sign de Ligt as well. Let’s just wait and see how the window plays out.
I'll wait til I've seen him play to judge whether he's a far better option. Doesn't sound like we're as interest as many think at the moment.