Wait, is this the new de Jong thread?
Jarrad Branthwaite
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The gremlin rival fans getting upset united are negotiating are hilarious.
They will both meet in the middle and compromise and everyone goes home happy. Not sure why United aren’t allowed to negotiate? United really did a number on a lotttt of people’s childhoods.
They will both meet in the middle and compromise and everyone goes home happy. Not sure why United aren’t allowed to negotiate? United really did a number on a lotttt of people’s childhoods.
We are quite happy to sell Onana and don't want to sell Branthwaite so I can feasibly see Onana going for 50-60m and Branthwaite being kept unless you stump up the reported 70-80m.
I suspect selling Onana passes us in terms of PSR. Potentially selling Branthwaite gives us much more market manoeuvrability, but with the impending takeover we might be in a stronger position next summer.
Seems weird that the first CB they'd bid for, was a player challenging our only decent CB in Martinez. I'd think they'd go for a right sided center back first.
I can see us paying 60m for him but only with significant add-ons. The nature of those add-ons will be important.
If I had to guess, I would imagine a guaranteed sum of 45-50m will get the deal done with a further 10-15m in add-ons, resulting in a total potential fee of 55-60m. I would be fine with that as long as the initial fee is no more than 50m, and add-ons are tied to appearance and success markers.
Realistically, signing a young, highly rated English CB from a premier league stalwart like Everton, is going to start at 50m in today’s market. Stones cost 48m from Everton 8 years ago, with only 28 more appearances than Branthwaite has. Yes Stones was a bit more high profile, a year older, and perhaps highly rated at the time, but on the flip side you have the time value of money, and industry inflation. They can also point to the 50m Arsenal paid for White.
So I suspect this will be done for something like 50+10, or 45+15. We he set our stall out well with the 35+8. Key to a successful negotiation will be the willingness to walk away and pursue other targets instead, and also Branthwaite’s own desire to push a move through. Couldn’t be a better time for a young, English CB to establish himself at the heart of Britain’s biggest club.
If I had to guess, I would imagine a guaranteed sum of 45-50m will get the deal done with a further 10-15m in add-ons, resulting in a total potential fee of 55-60m. I would be fine with that as long as the initial fee is no more than 50m, and add-ons are tied to appearance and success markers.
Realistically, signing a young, highly rated English CB from a premier league stalwart like Everton, is going to start at 50m in today’s market. Stones cost 48m from Everton 8 years ago, with only 28 more appearances than Branthwaite has. Yes Stones was a bit more high profile, a year older, and perhaps highly rated at the time, but on the flip side you have the time value of money, and industry inflation. They can also point to the 50m Arsenal paid for White.
So I suspect this will be done for something like 50+10, or 45+15. We he set our stall out well with the 35+8. Key to a successful negotiation will be the willingness to walk away and pursue other targets instead, and also Branthwaite’s own desire to push a move through. Couldn’t be a better time for a young, English CB to establish himself at the heart of Britain’s biggest club.
A few generally reliable Arsenal journalists have downplayed our interest in Onana over the last couple weeks. At a minimum, I would be surprised if he was high enough on our list to be a deal that we'd try to do in June. There are other players like Zubimendi, Guimaraes, and Neves in which we seem much more interested and while none of those deals might prove feasible its hard to imagine us moving down the list so quickly so early in the window.
Personally, I think its likely that the story today about Arsenal contacting Everton for Onana was most likely leaked by Everton to try to gain some leverage and exaggerates our degree of interest.
Guessing we'd stick to around 55m.
But if Everton would like to sell other players, keep him then.
But if Everton would like to sell other players, keep him then.
I think he’s realistically seen as being able to play on both sides. He’s really two footed. He played as a RCB at PSV. He’s young and I think he will learn both roles.
Nevertheless, I think we will also sign a specialist RCB. And end up with Maguire plus a new RCB, and Martinez and Branthwaite as LCB. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us start the season with Branthwaite and Martinez together. I also wouldn’t be surprised to us play Martinez as an inverted LB like Gvardiol. It would just be another option for us.
Bottom line is that we need both, but I imagine Branthwaite is being seen as a priority signing because he can play both roles, is homegrown, PL proven, young, high potential, and will likely only go up in price over the next 2 years, and due to Everton’s financial pressures is somewhat uniquely available right now.
I don't think any of these 3 are possible. Zubimendi is very unlikely to leave spain. Guimaraes will probably go to City, and Neves over 100m is very unlikely to happen for Arsenal. I read Partey wants to stay.
If they are asking £70m-£80m then we need to walk away.
Difference with FDJ is that Branthwaite wants to join us.
We do not need to get tied up for weeks haggling.
So apart from Maldini there hasn't really been any.
I am well aware of the current players and teams as that was why I posed the question
Citeh are the best around at the moment and while I think Gvardiol is pure class Stones, Dias and Akanje would be the next pics as Ake is best at LB.
None of them look particularly likely but I very much doubt that we've ruled them all out to the degree that we're ready to make Onana the first signing of the summer.
50m sounds like a lot for Onana. I imagine those looking at him are, like us, thinking they can get him for a good price, which 50m isn't.
You only have until the 30th June though don’t you? And Onana is with Belgium and no bids yet?
Seems like Branthwaite has agreed terms with United so I’d be surprised if Everton don’t budge on this 70-80m valuation. More likely a compromise is reached in my opinion, especially given the player wants to go and you need funds.
That said if Everton don’t I’m fine with United walking away.
Krancjar and ‘Arry
There are a lot of clouds surrounding both deals and the PSR issue currently.
It also won’t do a massive amount to their finances given he’s not homegrown and taking in to account amortisation.
Selling Branthwaite would be huge for them in comparison.
Hopefully he pushes for the move then. There desperate for the money. I wouldn’t offer more than 50m for him 60 at a push.
Might end up in a game of poker to see who blinks first.
I also think Everton do want to sell, despite what’s being said publicly. Clubs don’t agree terms with a player without knowing they are available.
The same was reported when we first went for FDJ and how long did it take before we moved on to other targets.
Maldini played for any number of great teams over the years, as have Costacurta, Passarella, Chiellini, Samuel, Alaba, Abidal, Heinze, Montero...I'm not really sure what your point is here. If you're just looking at good left centre backs there's even more, you named some yourself.
I think we just have to look at the EPL tight now with Guardiola and Arteta to see that having left and right foot combinations is important to them, especially in the first line. If the coach wants a LCB or a RCB, it shouldn't be a issue to identify the right players.
Mason Mount too. Made a take it or leave it offer and if Chelsea rejected it, we were moving onto other targets...
I do have faith that Ineos aren't completely wedded to one player and will move on swiftly if necessary.
https://x.com/JackFawcett1704/status/1801358750638289384 don't know if this was posted already but a nice video on the kind of player he is
Ye the fact they’ve put a bid in on the first day of the transfer windows shows they’re going to be pretty quick. Normally we don’t start talking to players until late June/July.
Fair, however it also seems like the start of many other transfer sagas e g. Offering much less than is required then keep going back with increased offers
I was thinking more of fairly recent (Ronnie,Messi) great Madrid and Barcelona and Premier league sides such as ourselves,(Rio,Vidic) Chelski,(Terry, Carvalho)and Citeh and recent Pool and even Wenger's Arsenal.
By no means am I against left footed CBs as you have stated some great individuals and as far as I am concerned if a player is better than another I am picking him regardless of what foot he favours.
I just don't get the recent fascination that one has to play on either side.
Will be reported as either 45+15 or 50+7. Both teams save face, depending on the conditions (we finish top 4 next season is 15 million in the former) or we finish top 4 in next 2 seasons for 7 being the latter.
Wouldn't surprise me if a loan with option to buy deal goes the other way in the next few years. They've done well with Garner
Wouldn't surprise me if a loan with option to buy deal goes the other way in the next few years. They've done well with Garner
Wenger's Arsenal you have Silvestre and Cygan. Both shite CBs in the scheme of things but both played in strong teams. Are you really trying hard not to get the whole 90% of people are right footed thing?
Not really.
As I have stated, I don't get the recent fascination that a LCB has to be left footed and the same with a RCB.
The two best footballers I have ever seen were/are lefties so I would think that percentage goes the other way when it comes to GOATS.
Why is it that prices of Gvardiol and Maguire are being used to justify his price and yet no club mentions Antony when they want to sell or buy a winger? 
Yea, looking at last season, I don’t think it’s fair that 11 United players should count as a full starting line up under any circumstancewith our amount of injuries we need 3 players per position anyway?
Maybe concerned Martinez might be out injured again.
That makes a lot more sense if Everton didn’t have a pressure to make some profit by June 30th.
Yea don’t understand this at all
He signed in 2022 for £33m so that’s like £19m left on the book. I’m not well versed on Everton’s PSR situation but £50m probably covers it since that’s like a £35m influx of cash.
Well he certainly looks like
To be fair most clubs been doing that already. UTD is probably the one club who pays above and beyond asking price everytime. Opening at 35mil for youngster with one season under him from a club who won feck all in 50 years is just fine. Most players would jump to play for a bigger club. Madrid and bayerns does it all the time. I'll say include another 30 mil if he gets a Ballon D'or in the next 5 seasons. Pffth
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Repeating the same mistake would be bringing in De Ligt who looks to be a big name on the market.
Branthwaite is big, fast, two footed and a proactive defender.
I can’t work out why people think he is slow, or sluggish. He is nothing like Maguire, he defends on the front foot, Maguire is awful in that manner.
Some of the other names that get thrown up there like Diomande are currently far inferior defenders to Branthwaite.
I’m glad someone else has said it. I don’t know what people are talking about. In the dozen games or so I’ve seen of Branthwaite, he has always shown good acceleration and good speed.