Jarrad Branthwaite
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I'm sure its to play with, as a starter. I see him as the Varane replacement if we're only getting 1 CB. He's capable of both sides in case.
Maguire was 26 when we signed him, with loads of PL and international experience. And we vastly overpaid for him.
The rest went for ~£45-50m, most with far more PL and international experience than Branthwaite. So yeah, around £50m sounds about right. But you don't start negotiations by offering what you think is a fair price, especially not when the other side has set an insane price tag.
This is going to be the case study to judge INEOS and how they will approach transfers.
If the bid was totalling 45 million with reasonable add-ons then that is a decent price and isn't insulting anyone really.
Let's keep watching and see if it's resolved quickly.
If the bid was totalling 45 million with reasonable add-ons then that is a decent price and isn't insulting anyone really.
Let's keep watching and see if it's resolved quickly.
I can't remember out of my head. All I can remember is since Edu in charge, there is no argument with other club on transfer like the infamous Suarez bid. The Rice, Jesus, Havertz transfers were all quite smooth.
I haven't watched enough of Branthwaite to have an idea whether he's got the ability to slot right in and excel for United and help us claw back into the top four but if the consensus is that he has that ability then 60m seems a very reasonable transfer fee in today's market. But if he comes in as a third CB with the plan being he'll develop into a regular starter in 1-2 seasons then we should hold firm closer to 45m. In the end, for a club as massive as United the difference of 15m over the what would be expected top be a 5-7 season career at Old Trafford is negligible. But how good is he, really?
Is he even that good? Having watched his YouTube compilation he does indeed look a promising talent but compared to some of the others you guys are being linked with I don’t think he’s as good.
He appears to love going to ground a lot to make sliding tackles and doesn’t look great on the ball (though okay).
He appears to love going to ground a lot to make sliding tackles and doesn’t look great on the ball (though okay).
Nobody knows if we do. Our PSR breaches were because of interest on loans for the stadium. If that's been sorted we don't need to sell by then.
Plus it looks like the takeover has been agreed in the last hour.... That will change things.
Also we signed a huge shirt deal today, around £20m a season. For ref west ham get £5m.
If that's factored in... We are fine
Isn't he almost 30 already, playing in US and a midfielder, we don't do those.
Today’s market is drastically different from even last year. PSR means there’s very few clubs with the cash to spend 60M on a young center back with one good senior season under his belt.
Took 5 rejected bids before coming to an agreement according to the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/27...one-of-the-countrys-most-promising-defenders/
This is bound to get rejected and we'll end up paying 40% more or so as often happens with us. I think we should adopt a policy of moving on a lot faster when reasonable bids get rejected once or twice. It would show we aren't desperate anymore, have alternate options, aren't willing to overspend and bring the prices down for players in the long run.
Didn't we make a bid for Yoro, too?
Doesn't really matter, we need 2 CB's either way and the rest will sort itself out.
Nah, it seems pretty clear we are getting 2 CB's.
No bid - we're just strongly interested and his price is 50m, if I'm not mistaken.
He is likely Real bound anyway.
It might - who knows. We have a few spinning plates but I wonder how priorities change if one of them come to fruition.
If we go for Chaloboah then it could be a view for RB coverage as well as CB.
Time to move on if that's their firm position
Clubs still take United for mugs
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To me, it matters if we're only getting Branthwaite, who is left footed. Yes, he can use both - most professional footballers can. Actually, he identified that he plays short passes with his right and long passes with his left. I mean, all of our current centre backs can do that. For me, we need a specialist right footed centre back on the right.
With the Yoro bid, I'm hoping it means we're getting two centre backs, but then I'd argue why we'd be looking to spend so much on someone who could potentially be a back up.
No chance for 35m offer them 50 and then 20m once he reaches 50 goals or something
offer them 50 and then 20m once he reaches 50 goals or something
Time to move on if that's their firm position
Clubs still take United for mugs
I just hope the days of us overpaying for players have gone.
We're not paying 60 million+ for potential anymore. That's the first thing that must change this summer.
We go back in when he's on his last year of contract.
We go back in when he's on his last year of contract.
There is zero chance he is signed for less than £60m.
Time to move on if that's their firm position
Clubs still take United for mugs
Everton compare him to Gvardiol and Maguire?
Yeah okay, move on. Get Todibo for half or less and maybe look at the Sporting Lisbon CB or Chalobah who is 25m
I support INEOS massively but this is exactly what we've done in the past lowballed then spent an age reconfiguring the bid.
If we end up paying 60+ then that's us not being serious again.
Ideally, we just move on and show them that we can't be pushed over again by ridiculous demands.
Ideally, we just move on and show them that we can't be pushed over again by ridiculous demands.
Move on there has to be better value out there and once clubs realize we are not coming back our offers will be treated seriously.
all depends on where we go from here. Certainly can't repeat our old mistakes, so I would hope they have a number in mind they are willing to go to and just move on to other targets if they can't get him for that amount. Can't be pushed around and taken advantage of anymore, teams have taken us to the cleaners long enough.
BBC reporting: "The Merseyside club believe it is a matter of time before Branthwaite becomes an England regular and rate him in the same bracket as Harry Maguire..."
need I say more...
need I say more...
is it? I always remember monitoring and preparing for weeks.
The fact we are targeting him in the first place doesn't bode well. Its really obvious they will want far more than he is worth
chalobah? as what? the new Fred the Red?. Branthwaite might be overrated (by some way) but at least he knows what the strange white round thing is
Seems some transfer muppets just desperate to get the signings started regardless of cost. 80 mil like he is a Reincarnation of prime Nesta.
In reality he’s a youth product of a bottom 6 club with one season EPL experience and mainly being priced on potential. Could we imagine offering rio ferdinand money for chris riggott back in 2004/5?
In reality he’s a youth product of a bottom 6 club with one season EPL experience and mainly being priced on potential. Could we imagine offering rio ferdinand money for chris riggott back in 2004/5?
with Everton having financial issues and needing to sell, I think targeting him makes sense. Only 21, good upside. I don't have an issue targeting a player of that profile from a club that might need to sell ... just can't cave and overpay like in the past.
Nah, these are adults doing business. We're not on the school playground.
United of the past didn't move on. So, lets see what happens here.
Reasonable offer
We put in 45m, they want 70-80M. I'm sticking to my initial prediction of 50M + 10M as the price he goes for.
Time to move on if that's their firm position
Clubs still take United for mugs
Gvardiol had 2 Croatian league titles, 2 German Cups, a Bundesliga team of the year award, an IFHHS world team of the year award and was an established starter for Croatia at two major tournaments, finishing 3rd at a World Cup before he went to City. It's not a comparable deal.
They can compare him to Maguire if they like, but that deal has proven to be way, way overpriced.
Cheeky swap offer. Maguire for Branthwaite straight swap.