Jarrad Branthwaite

Hopefully INEOS demonstrate we'll no longer throw money at targets based on hype.

If there isn't much interest elsewhere and Everton need to resolve their financial situation they have little bargaining position. Any more than 50 million and we're falling into old mistakes.
 
Rojofiam said:
Do you think Branthwaite to United will happen, and do you think it can be done for 58-60m tops including add-ons?
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I think it can happen and if it does will be c. 60m.

Personally I don't want to sell him but if we can sell him and Onana for 100m+ and start the season off with 5-6 new players, a takeover and no risk of points deductions it should put us in a much better place as a football club for the long term future.
 
SilentWitness said:
I think it can happen and if it does will be c. 60m.

Personally I don't want to sell him but if we can sell him and Onana for 100m+ and start the season off with 5-6 new players, a takeover and no risk of points deductions it should put us in a much better place as a football club for the long term future.
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You got any promising youngsters that Dyche may bring through this season?
 
Todibo for 35 million seemed smarter business. 70 million is more than we should be paying. I do rate him and was shocked Southgate didn’t take him to the Euros
 
SilentWitness said:
I think it can happen and if it does will be c. 60m.

Personally I don't want to sell him but if we can sell him and Onana for 100m+ and start the season off with 5-6 new players, a takeover and no risk of points deductions it should put us in a much better place as a football club for the long term future.
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I see, thank you.



Romano tweeted about him 40 minutes ago which I've just seen now, seems like currently 65m is the lowest Everton are willing to consider. I think that's a slight overpay for him, but nothing catastrophic. I'd obviously like to cut 5-10m down from that fee, but we'll see what happens. I guess a lot of things can happen and stances can change until 30 June.
 
mikeyt said:
I think the whole LCB vs RCB argument is so overstated unless you play 3 at the back. A CB is CB regardless of what foot they favour.
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It's a personal opinion , but lefty and righty gives symmetry/balance . They shouldn't get in the others way as much .

Maybe a bit like the Lennon & McCartney thing. 2 voices , 2 guitars , 1 microphone , that works naturally with a lefty and righty . Two of the same hand can still work , but it's takes much more effort and coordination and it can never look as good .
 
RedC said:
Harry Maguire with pace would be a completely adequate CB for us, Maguire's lack of mobility is basically his only major downside.
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100%

I even think he isn't necessarily that slow once running, he just has next to no early acceleration and he is slow at turning/adjusting his body position etc.
 
Pass. He just signed a new deal in October until 2027. We have 0 leverage to make this transfer work without getting fecked up the arse.

This is exactly the type of transfer you avoid.

If we genuinely think he's the real deal and he genuinely wants to come, get him to hold tight for a season or 2 when we have the leverage to sign him. If someone else is mad enough to get him now, then oh well - there'll be another hot prospect breaking through next year or the year after anyway.
 
mikeyt said:
I think the whole LCB vs RCB argument is so overstated unless you play 3 at the back. A CB is CB regardless of what foot they favour.
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No, I see what you are saying but you need to be, at the very least, very good on your opposite foot if you are going to play a left footer as a RCB or right as an LCB, so much of building up from the back against the press is centered around playing to the "back foot" and being able to angle away from danger easier, its not something you can achieve easily if not playing on your favoured side.
 
roonster09 said:
Usually fee won't be much lesser than initial reported fee. Now there are 2 reports, one is 70 and other is 80 million.

So can see it easily more than 60-65 million.
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Romano said 65-70, so I'm holding out hope for something closer to 50. It just doesn't make sense otherwise, unless, our transfer kitty is bigger than we've briefed.
 
Stobzilla said:
No, I see what you are saying but you need to be, at the very least, very good on your opposite foot if you are going to play a left footer as a RCB or right as an LCB, so much of building up from the back against the press is centered around playing to the "back foot" and being able to angle away from danger easier, its not something you can achieve easily if not playing on your favoured side.
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Tbf, in terms of receiving ball and opening up angles it's actually much easier receiving the ball to your right foot on the left side of the pitch and vice versa.
 
hobbers said:
The only way I could find any sense in this deal is if it was £40m for Branthwaite and £40m for Yoro/Todibo and basically phasing out Martinez.

And that's not saying I want to replace Martinez, but there's no reason to make Branthwaite a priority signing for the largest fee we'll spend if not.
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Even though he is two footed and so can play both LCB and RCB?
 
Skills said:
Tbf, in terms of receiving ball and opening up angles it's actually much easier receiving the ball to your right foot on the left side of the pitch and vice versa.
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I'm not sure I have ever worked with a coach that would agree with that assessment and I don't agree with it myself, back foot receiving is the easiest and quickest way to avoid danger in most phases of play.
 
Skills said:
Tbf, in terms of receiving ball and opening up angles it's actually much easier receiving the ball to your right foot on the left side of the pitch and vice versa.
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Is it?
 
hobbers said:
He plays for Sean Dyche's Everton.... It's impossible to say who he's better than away from that low block, no space sort of defending.

I'd certainly trust the potential of young French CBs than English ones, based on the trends of the last decade or so.
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For a single season.... he played elsewhere before that
 
hobbers said:
The only way I could find any sense in this deal is if it was £40m for Branthwaite and £40m for Yoro/Todibo and basically phasing out Martinez.

And that's not saying I want to replace Martinez, but there's no reason to make Branthwaite a priority signing for the largest fee we'll spend if not.
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How's phasing Martinez out even in the picture? We need 2 defenders .
 
hobbers said:
And if he was so good at PSV why werent we clamouring to sign him last season.
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He was actually highly rated on his season at PSV and there were actually links to United and other PL clubs
 
Stobzilla said:
I'm not sure I have ever worked with a coach that would agree with that assessment and I don't agree with it myself, back foot receiving is the easiest and quickest way to avoid danger in most phases of play.
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I'm probably talking bollocks, but receiving the ball on the inner side of the pitch allows you to open up your body for more passing options.

It's probably less safer though, as you can't shield it as well.
 
Stobzilla said:
No, I see what you are saying but you need to be, at the very least, very good on your opposite foot if you are going to play a left footer as a RCB or right as an LCB, so much of building up from the back against the press is centered around playing to the "back foot" and being able to angle away from danger easier, its not something you can achieve easily if not playing on your favoured side.
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Can you name me a few great teams that had a left footed CB.
I am struggling to think of any but can think of quite a few that have two that favour the same foot.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Absolutely not. People think he is because his stats don't look great but that's because he plays for Sean Dyche where playing out from the back isn't the priority for them. If you actually watch him he's very comfortable passing with both feet. He's also only 21 and has a lot more room to grow and will also learn a lot playing alongside Martinez.
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His passing stats with PSV were shit. Don't blame Sean Dyche.
 
The only reason we are looking at Branthwaite is because he is British.

He is way overpriced compared to Todibo and other non British players.

For any fee above 40--45 million we need to walk away.
 
RatPack said:
The only reason we are looking at Branthwaite is because he is British.

He is way overpriced compared to Todibo and other non British players.

For any fee above 40--45 million we need to walk away.
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Good? We're Man Utd. Having the best British players isn't a negative? Especially when we're producing some brilliant talent.

I wish people would stop being annoyed by a British team taking an interest in promising British talents. It's bizarre.
 
RatPack said:
The only reason we are looking at Branthwaite is because he is British.

He is way overpriced compared to Todibo and other non British players.

For any fee above 40--45 million we need to walk away.
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Maybe we want him and non British one
 
Sassy Colin said:
wtf, you make up some ridiculous fan fiction and you're asking me if I'm alright?
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I didn't make up anything, I only talked about possibilities like everyone here, I said 150k is too much for Jarrad, unless it is packed with bonuses and perhaps a 100k as base salary is alright, we are talking about what we think is a good salary to avoid high wages for young players which would hamper the club in making deals if every player we sign starts with high salary.

Again, you are you alright?
 
SilentWitness said:
The whole line from the club and Thelwell has been that players need to be sold but we aren't desperate enough that they will be sold for cut price valuations. It's only been rags like The Sun and Talksport that have been talking about fire sales etc.
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Makes sense. I imagine the club would probably be happier moving on someone like Onana (and a few other pieces of fodder) for say, £45-60m~ than letting Branthwaite go this summer for more, if they can help it.
 
Judas said:
Good? We're Man Utd. Having the best British players isn't a negative? Especially when we're producing some brilliant talent.

I wish people would stop being annoyed by a British team taking an interest in promising British talents. It's bizarre.
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Reading this thread this morning, it feels like many posters are actively looking to get wound up. So much negativity.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
I didn't make up anything, I only talked about possibilities like everyone here, I said 150k is too much for Jarrad, unless it is packed with bonuses and perhaps a 100k as base salary is alright, we are talking about what we think is a good salary to avoid high wages for young players which would hamper the club in making deals if every player we sign starts with high salary.

Again, you are you alright?
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It's clear you're asking this to try and wind him up.
To address your point though - we don't do 6+1 deals.
 
roonster09 said:
All these Brexit posts are hilarious, sign any English players then it's Brexit.
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That Brexit shit became lazy argument for both sides.
I would brake the bank for Toney, Kane or Eze. But this guy is just a decent defender and nothing more. Signing him (for 30, 50 or 70 mil) would be a bad business. Simply because he is just not good enough.
 
RatPack said:
The only reason we are looking at Branthwaite is because he is British.

He is way overpriced compared to Todibo and other non British players.

For any fee above 40--45 million we need to walk away.
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You do realise that PL clubs need to have a certain amount of players trained in the UK in their squad right, which is why when good British talent comes around it makes sense to go after them.
Given we're about to sell Greenwood, Sancho and possibly more homegrown players this summer we'll need to target some
 
Judas said:
Good? We're Man Utd. Having the best British players isn't a negative? Especially when we're producing some brilliant talent.

I wish people would stop being annoyed by a British team taking an interest in promising British talents. It's bizarre.
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I know....shock horror, an English club wants to buy young English talent :wenger:
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Why on earth would we offer 150K?! Doesn’t make sense.
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Exactly. I said earlier we need to get out of the habit of tripling players wages. Offer them a little bit more then that’s it. They need to earn it. Offering daft wages before even kicking a ball. We’re meant to be getting out of that habit
 
I like him a lot as a player, and would like him at United. I wouldn't have had him at the top of my priorities for this summer though.
 
Looks a good defender, would be keen for 40-45 million. We don't need to be spending stupid money on a centre back in my opinion, far more pressing priorities that require big money.
 
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