Yoro is meant to be way, way better.
Also Todibo is very good - more of a Branthwaite level than a Yoro level if you agree? He's likely available for no more than around £30m. The difference funds most of the transfer of a left back, or a Frimpong.
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Also Todibo is very good - more of a Branthwaite level than a Yoro level if you agree? He's likely available for no more than around £30m. The difference funds most of the transfer of a left back, or a Frimpong.
Martinez was starting his first game for five months. He was replaced by Maguire partly as a precaution, but yes, also because Maguire is more aerially dominant than him. That isn't to say that Martinez is aerially very weak.
I was actually shocked at the inflation.
The internet tells me £80m is only £65m in 2019's money.
I thought this myth was dead. When has Martinez ever had issues in the air?
@roonster09 if these are accurate, it tells it’s own story and £150k is way too much. Konate on £70k?? Gabriel 100k; Martinez 120k…
@Rojofiam thanks for the info. Where did you source it from?
Martinez had a lot more UCL and Europa experience and international experience too. Brainthwaite has only 1 full season in the EPL too by the way
What what?
We pay north of 40m to replace our best CB, moving our best CB to LB.
Or we buy a CB for north of 40m, triple his wages and play him at LB?
Is that what you’re saying or have I read it wrong?
That was quite the oversight for me wasn’t it- It wasn’t as intentional as you’re making out however, as it simply was a mistake.
I assumed it was unintentional in fairness but it did amuse me given the nature of the argument!
All potential, he's not by any means better than Braithwaite right now.
Yeah for sure, but also not got that versatility to play the LCB role that our manager would want (the classic dutch passing lanes argument). I only see us going for Todido if Maguire or Lindelof are sold to replace them in the squad that way.
I think if we sign Braithwaite our CB options look like this:
LCB - Martinez, Braithwaite, Shaw
RCB - Braithwaite, Maguire, Linedlof/Kambwala
Which is very balanced and means we can likely shift one of those RCBs without having to rush to find a new player. If you sign Yoro or Tobido, the balance is off and you're a Martinez injury away from playing Shaw there again.
Yoro is desperate to go to Real anyway isn't he? So we sign him and a couple of years later he is angling for a move there.
Same as VDB. Then he came in the EPL and he was shit. Dutch players tend to do that. They either destroy the league (Van Basten, RVN, RVP, Gullit, Rijkaard, Seedorf) or they are underwhelming (Jonk, VDB, Kluivert etc). That's why their first salary tend to be lower as opposed to players who had proven themselves at a top league. If they succeed then that contract is usually modified early on. If not then its easy to shift them off, usually back to the Eredivisie.
Konate isn't on 70k, this is what I said about club doing their PR work.
If everyone is on low wages, why did Liverpool have higher wages than ManUtd?
Put a price to them, if they don't accept and can't sell other players they are in trouble. If someone comes in with silly money then you just move on.
All these Brexit posts are hilarious, sign any English players then it's Brexit.
PL players tend to either flop or do well when they move to top clubs too, there is inherent risk in all transfers. When it comes to wages number of years experience at all levels of football is relevant. There is nothing that says Brainthwaite should get more than Martinez who had way more experience at all levels of football except 1 PL season. This will also obviously trigger a wage rise for Martinez too...
On what basis are they just all potential but not better than Branthwaite right now?
I do like how Branthwaite can play in RCB or LCB - that dual footed feature is awesome. As is his recovery pace which I think is good enough. But he goes to ground a lot and it makes me question his positioning and strength at times. Very good potential but for £50m+ I am expecting for better pedigree than 1 good year in the PL despite some flaws.
Thing is with those other clubs is either they are London clubs and the players wants to play in London or they have very good managers so the player wants to play for that manager. Newcastle am surprised wages are so low. United have been a right old mess and to be honest we have to pay stupid money go get players to come to us. 120k is not that bad, it is the really high earners like Rashford, Sancho etc where the issues lie.
Exactly. The old transfer strategy would have been to say we won’t pay more than £50m, Everton say £70m and we end up paying £65m + add ons. Will be a good test of the new approach.
I like the player and agree with you the brexit comments are daft. Having said that I don't want us to pay that much for him when the likes of Todibo are cheaper and we need to strengthen more than one position.
I'll be pissed off if we offer a silly fee and/or huge wages. Keep the kid grounded and build incentives/bonuses into his contract. Make him earn his money FFS, don't give him everything on day one.
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They obviously wouldn't have touched Kane, Bellingham or Rice with a barge pole.
Have no idea on how good or bad 2 of them are. So whoever it is, I will watch some videos later once we are close to signing.
If your new regime has a sense of humour, I want Brainthwaite's announcement video to take place at a Wetherspoons.
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Dalot - Branthwaite - Martinez - Shaw
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Dalot - Branthwaite - Martinez - Shaw
Amad - Neves - Mainoo - Garnacho
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I think the whole LCB vs RCB argument is so overstated unless you play 3 at the back. A CB is CB regardless of what foot they favour.
Or Maguire, Wan Bissaka, Sancho
I am all for signing good English/PL players. Plenty want us to sign Olisie, I don't think questioning 160k a week wages when they player is currently on 40k is a bad thing
Yoro is 18 and just had his first full season in ligue 1. You are not buying him to put him straight into your first team to compete for CL football, you are buying his potential. Braithwaite could easily come straight into our starting XI in the prem with minimal expecting time for adaptation.
That's fair, but I think you're paying for the fact that he is league proven, with big scope for improvement. I'd argue you'd be paying the same for someone like Colwill/Quansah, who have their own flaws, but that doesn't make them worth less. I don't think either are better defenders than Branthwaite.
He is not going anywhere to sit on the bench
Does he count as a Brexit signing? He' born and raised in West London but has French mum and a Nigerian dad.
Yeah makes sense. Hard to really know what's press spin versus actual targets.
But regardless of quality I don't see us paying 85 for a cb in this window.
It's not with a Dutch manager. That's why he played Shaw there. They believe the left footedness plays a massive part in passing lanes and also believe an opponent can exploit the fact they have to play with their weaker foot or be forced inside onto their favoured right, as a negative.
The second point is true, but I'm not sure what we can realistically compete for next season that a player of Maguire's quality would significantly help with. Possibly if we make a run at the Europa League due to volume of games.
Think the wages are a bit high for such a relatively unproven player. We are just going from media reports.
Yoro? I think if he is going to Liverpool, United or Real, he won't expect to go straight into the side.
Players from local leagues are a safer bet. They were raised precisely to play in that league, they are used to the tempo and the physicality of the game. There's also the element of homesickness and culture clash at play as well. Not to forget that local talent tend to be more loyal to the league then an Argentinian or a Brazilian who probably support Real, Barca, Milan or Inter. That's why homegrown players are usually paid more both in terms of fees and salaries.
Ben White got 150k after 2 seasons with Arsenal making 120k a week. 150k is too much when he is on 35k a week. White was on 50k a week at Leeds. So even 120k for Branthwaite is too much.
I mean for context, Trevor Chaloboah has shown a lot of potential and proven run of games post his injury, and he's able to play RB and CB. He'll be available for around £25m.
As I said Branthwaite is very good but he's not worth 2x Chaloboah for example. For me he's a £40-50m player tops.
£80m for him is bonkers.
Unless he moved to the right then I don’t really understand the links. By all accounts we have very little money to play with, Martinez needs a partner.
I’m also convinced Shaw needs to move to left centre back to prolong his career.
I’m also convinced Shaw needs to move to left centre back to prolong his career.