It is disrespect, I apologise. Few of us can even spell Branthwaite properly so it's at least consistent.
Jarrad Branthwaite
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It is disrespect, I apologise. Few of us can even spell Branthwaite properly so it's at least consistent.
These numbers are available on Spotrac and Capology.
Also, you need to keep in mind that if United are successful on the pitch, they should be paying more to their players than Liverpool or Arsenal, as they are a richer and commercially bigger club than those two. Also, it's different signing a player from within the Premier League, than the Bundesliga, Eredivisie, or Ligue 1, as they'll probably be earning more money already in the Premier League. So yeah, even if I agree that 150k might be too much, it's not completely way off. There are a lot of factors to it.
I like Branthwaite, but at the moment I can see him being the next Harry Maguire. That isn't necessarily a bad thing as I think Maguire is a solid defender with decent passing ability, and for what it's worth I do think Branthwaite will end up at least a bit better than him in a lot of aspects. But £80m feels like the same mistake all over again in terms of price vs quality. If we paid £40-50m for Harry and then Branthwaite, I don't think most people would care. But the perception that everyone gets completely changes when we start talking about £70M+.
Branthwaite strikes me as a signing we would make under Fergie when we had an already established squad competing on all fronts. Not a signing you make when you're trying to catch up. If the price is this high I think it's one we should hold off on and strengthen in 2-3 positions with players that cost less.
Branthwaite strikes me as a signing we would make under Fergie when we had an already established squad competing on all fronts. Not a signing you make when you're trying to catch up. If the price is this high I think it's one we should hold off on and strengthen in 2-3 positions with players that cost less.
I get that, but I don't think that's apples to apples. An ambipedal CB is definitely a different profile to a CB/RB. You'll struggle to find many, with the added part of him being league proven. I think you'd probably compare Trevoh to options that would offer the same cover in your squad.
Or saying he has a nice touch, for a big man.
Newcastle were nowhere near the top 6 financially before the Saudi takeover, and that happened not that long ago. If they start becoming more successful, and when slowly but surely most of their squad will be made up of players signed after the takeover, their wage bill will be at least Arsenal-Liverpool-Chelsea level, but possibly maybe even close to the two Manchester clubs.
For £70m to £80m I’d rather the club buy Evan Ferguson.
Branthwaite may have a lot of potential but…£70m to £80m!
Branthwaite may have a lot of potential but…£70m to £80m!
How good is he?
Romano going with around the same asking price as Ziegler reported. Negative Simon Stone says Everton want at least £80M.
At least it's not that bloke from Bayern
It is disrespect, I apologise. Few of us can even spell Branthwaite properly so it's at least consistent.
I think 60-65m isn't too bad, his ceiling is high.
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We'll wait until he's crocked in 10 years.
I have faith in INEOS to not spend more than £50m on this kid
I'll be very surprised if Everton sell him for less than 60-65 million. There is a sell on clause and usually Everton gets good few when they sell their good/potential players.
It does seem a bit weird. I mean if there is a left and right footer and a striker who is determined to attack a weaker foot then they'll just go through the middle, which might be the thing you want the least. Maybe it's more important for a centre back to be two-footed than it is with other positions, so Branthwaite is actually a good choice.
I thought Everton were brassic and need to sell?
Reportedly desperate to sell for PSR by end month though. I don't think they can afford to draw out negotiations
When we needed to sell Richy for PSR we still managed to hold out for 50+10m from Spurs.
Feck that, move on
So you're saying he's not British?
Agree
Harry Maguire with pace would be a completely adequate CB for us, Maguire's lack of mobility is basically his only major downside.
All true
Antony and Eriksen are already too much for some lads here.
It is disrespect, I apologise. Few of us can even spell Branthwaite properly so it's at least consistent.
Usually fee won't be much lesser than initial reported fee. Now there are 2 reports, one is 70 and other is 80 million.
So can see it easily more than 60-65 million.
Then he maybe decides to go elsewhere because there is no way he is going to leave after playing a full season as one of the best CBs in his league to warm the bench
The whole line from the club and Thelwell has been that players need to be sold but we aren't desperate enough that they will be sold for cut price valuations. It's only been rags like The Sun and Talksport that have been talking about fire sales etc.
We are going to end up paying around 50 plus bonuses that likely get to around 65
Martínez would be unbelievable in that Zinchenko/Aké type of LB role, don't worry about that. That's why Arteta wanted him originally at Arsenal. It's not a traditional left back role, as he would often find himself in the middle of the pitch in an inverted position (like how Dalot steps into central positions all the time), as well as regularly take up a CB position mid-game...but he can often start LCB as well, like he has for these two seasons he's been at the club. Branthwaite can also do both traditional LCB and Aké-type LB to a high level, like Martínez.
It's not about having a "best CB" and moving him to LB, as then you are thinking like we need to have a constant, strongest XI all the time, and if someone doesn't make it, that means they're not playing enough, or not good enough, or that they'll just have a squad role instead of being a key player...but you need to think about it from another perspective, and that's having a strong squad with depth, instead of only thinking about the starting XI.
If we bring in Branthwaite, will he be our best CB? No. Will he be our best LB? No. But can he play 50 games a season despite that, and be a key player for us? Absolutely. The strongest XI should be called optimal XI for me, and it should depend on the opposition. Just look at City's defense. Dias, Stones, Aké, Gvardiol and Akanji are all originally centre backs, and yet they all get sufficient play time due to their ability to play multiple roles to a high level (except Dias as I haven't seen him play anything other than CB). That's something only Martínez truly offers from our current defenders (Dalot, Shaw and Malacia as well, to a certain extent).
Getting Branthwaite would provide us with a player who can play two roles from the starting XI to a key player level. There's also always going to be injuries, suspensions, tactical changes, etc.
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Do you think Branthwaite to United will happen, and do you think it can be done for 58-60m tops including add-ons?
They do need to raise funds this summer. Seems like we're putting the pressure on by already agreeing personal terms with Branthwaite. Looks like we have other options at centre back too so if the price doesn't come down I can see using turning to other targets then possibly going back in for him next summer.
I can see something like that happening. I reckon we do value him at around £50M.
I absolutely consider him British but I'm not a Brexiteer. I am not convinced they all would given his parents and that he's picked France over England.
Laughing at how many DoF’s are coming out of hiding now on the forum saying we shouldn’t spend more than 20-30m. See you next season with the same squad then lads
Ah I get your point, very true
I read about 50 pages from the Everton forum last night, and they are truly gutted to potentially lose him, going to the extent that some fans are willing to keep him, and take the 6-point deduction, as they believe he can eventually be worth more points if kept, and are comparing losing him to the likes of Rooney to us(I know there is no way he will have the same impact). They do rate him highly.
Laughing at how many DoF’s are coming out of hiding now on the forum saying we shouldn’t spend more than 20-30m. See you next season with the same squad then lads
Haha 20-30 is crazy, I think 45-55/60 is reasonable
Woodward's £28M joint bid for Fellaini and Baines vibes.Laughing at how many DoF’s are coming out of hiding now on the forum saying we shouldn’t spend more than 20-30m. See you next season with the same squad then lads
Ofcourse they wouldn't. Too much Brexit policy.