Only just realized this is the same guy that played for PSV on loan last season and left far from a lasting impression in the Eredivisie.
Jarrad Branthwaite
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So you would be happy with Martinez, Maguire, Evans and Lindelof for Central Defence?
You pay £50m and he gives you 10 years, that's a pretty good deal. Obviously there's a risk he doesn't give you 10 years, but even if you get 5 years out of him, £50m is a good enough deal for a young central defender who has yet to hit his prime.
I'd rather have Yoro but he'll be one who will end up in Madrid after 5 years, likely on a free after running his contract down.
It's very common practice. Clubs meet with agents and agree the outline of the deal before making move.
Eredivisie is not the place to really judge players tbh.
Gapko, Antony, Ziyech, Donny all looked like class players and can't hack the PL.
We have seen Branthwaite play well all season for Everton.
Plenty of young players go on loan and don't set the world alight.
Not really as there's an obvious timeline for Everton to sell someone. I don't know if Onana is likely to be sold by then instead, but at the moment, this is their ticket out of PSR trouble.
Like harry kane.
I know nothing about this lad but I thought we had moved past paying mad money for players, is there not a plan b? Another option? We need a decent number of recruits in this summer. Maybe he's worth it I have no idea.
I know nothing about this lad but I thought we had moved past paying mad money for players, is there not a plan b? Another option? We need a decent number of recruits in this summer. Maybe he's worth it I have no idea.
You’re a real glass half full kinda guy aren’t you hobbers
Firstly it sounds like negotiations are just starting so we are nowhere near an offer so talk of “mad money” is premature.
Secondly, we were linked to Yoro and Todibo at the same time this news dropped so yes it sounds like we do have other options.
Would be a decent start to the window at the right price. I'll always prefer PL proven to fancy names from Europe that 99% of us have never seen play.
I fully expect him to stay but I don't really see the value in keeping him on beyond the obvious of not being able to sign enough players to fill all the voids in our squad. The club has made its decision to embrace the transition without any real expectation by keeping Ten Hag on, so I'd just use the opportunity to purge the squad of all players we want to be rid of longer term now.
If we achieve nothing else, we might at least get the squad closer to the right shape for the next manager.
We shall see. If we end up paying £70-80m, then it's a worrying sign. I don't think we will, though that's partly because I'm not so sure we can.
Yoro and Todibo
Yoro or Todibo
Going for Brainthwaite would suggest that we are looking to strengthen the left center back position. Yoro and Todibo are both are right footed, right sided CB's, so it's doesn't make sense saying, "Why are we going for this guy when Yoro and Todibo are available". Inacio is the other left footed CB were are linked with that makes sense if we are suggesting alternatives to Brainthwaite. Though, I am sure he'll cost a pretty penny too.
Yoro or Todibo
Going for Brainthwaite would suggest that we are looking to strengthen the left center back position. Yoro and Todibo are both are right footed, right sided CB's, so it's doesn't make sense saying, "Why are we going for this guy when Yoro and Todibo are available". Inacio is the other left footed CB were are linked with that makes sense if we are suggesting alternatives to Brainthwaite. Though, I am sure he'll cost a pretty penny too.
English players are never good.
Having the best northern players in United's side is a modern post BREXIT tradition.
Oh no wait, that's just these brain-dead comments.
Excellent. All I have seen is that we have agreed personal terms and Everton want 70-80 million.
I have to be honest I have ignored all transfer talk this summer until I saw that.
If you adopt that approach then you never correct the fact that we have historically overpaid. If Branthwaite stays at Everton, they won’t pay him £150k, so he’s not going to turn down a dream move because we initially pay him slightly less.
Further, the first team squad are all on vastly different wages. The direct comparable is Hojlund, who is on £85k, and that’s about what you’d expect for us to pay a young player who isn’t an international first choice (or even 26-man squad) player yet and is currently on a £35k deal negotiated just this year.
If he establishes himself as first choice then he will of course get an increase fairly shortly. However, if he happened to flop, we will be much better placed to sell him if he isn’t already on wages beyond what most mid-table premier league clubs might pay.
I will caveat its limited to a small handful of games and the 15+ minute highlight videos, but I feel he's not worth more than £40m.
Good on both feet, looks quick but he goes to ground a lot and can be brushed off somewhat. I'm not sure how he is in the air - perhaps someone can educate me on that. The reason it's not worth more than 40m is because valuation is all relative. There are some very high potential CBs out on the market right now, I'm not sure spending more than 40-50m on Branthwaite would be smart.
Good on both feet, looks quick but he goes to ground a lot and can be brushed off somewhat. I'm not sure how he is in the air - perhaps someone can educate me on that. The reason it's not worth more than 40m is because valuation is all relative. There are some very high potential CBs out on the market right now, I'm not sure spending more than 40-50m on Branthwaite would be smart.
Put this in the Anselmino thread, but I think this is likely what we'll do this summer. I'm not sure why every one thinks we're going to buy another right footed CB first when we have Maguire, Lindelof and Kambwala.
"Why do players struggle to settle in Manchester?"
"fecking Brexit signings, why are we signing English players?"
"fecking Brexit signings, why are we signing English players?"
There is a reason why all top/big clubs have big wage bills compared to mid table clubs. They all pay big wages.
The first real test for Ineos.
Are they stupid enough to pay £70/80 million or do they walk away and move on to a better priced target?
Are they stupid enough to pay £70/80 million or do they walk away and move on to a better priced target?
Why is he not very high potential? He's 21 and had one season at prem level at a very good standard. Arguably he's the best u23 defender in the league. He's great in the air at both ends, he doesn't loose the ball much, versatile to play in our system and big scope for improvement.
For reference: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/pre...2023&land_id=&pos=Abwehr&spielerposition_id=3
wtf, you make up some ridiculous fan fiction and you're asking me if I'm alright?
@Devil_forever won’t acknowledge that, loves a drive-by moan.
I'll be honest and say I haven't really watched him this season.
Is he all that?
And plus, how am I supposed to flight track someone from Everton?
Is he all that?
And plus, how am I supposed to flight track someone from Everton?
Profile of player makes sense. Price does not. Move on unless Everton's financial struggles mean something can get done.
At some stage we need to stop being the second worst club in the world w/r to transfers (thanks Todd!)
At some stage we need to stop being the second worst club in the world w/r to transfers (thanks Todd!)
While its important not to overpay in terms of fees, its even more important not to overpay in terms of salary. That's were the real dosh is spent. Rumors say that we're paying him around 150k a week. That's good as it puts him at par with most first team CBs at top clubs (Stones 250k, Van Dijk 220k, Saliba 190k, Dias 180k, Ake 160k, White 150k, Martinez 120k)
£35m + £7m adds-ons take it or leave it!
Would be an excellent deal for 50-55m. 58-60 is the furthest I'd go.
He's not mediocre and better than Todibo.
He's not mediocre and better than Todibo.
No, If it was up to me I'd completely revamp our CB position this summer bar Martinez but not with Brantwaite.
I don't rate him that highly and would rather we look other options around Europe. I'm sure there are better value for the money talked about and if Branthwaite is the best our recruiting team can come up with, then we have no hope.
Signing a player with the expectation of him staying 10 years is not realistic anyway. That rarely happens and also for that to be a good acquisition (even for 5 years), the player in question should be of the quality that will perform week in week out & who'll be mainstay like Rio was. I don't think Brantwaite is that.
And you can't give up trying to sign the very best and settle for worse just because Madrid could come knocking in 5 years time.
I didn't say he's not high potential. I'm saying he's not the only CB on the market who is, and he's a lot more expensive than those.
That isn't realistic.
I think we are trying to get Yoro but have competition from Real and Liverpool, so we have to have other options, Branthwaite being one of them.
I suspect why we are going for this now is due to Everton's FFP position where they feel they can pressure them to sell before June 30th for cheaper.
That was quite the oversight for me wasn’t it
- It wasn’t as intentional as you’re making out however, as it simply was a mistake.Granted, I haven't seen that much of him. But from what I have, he's never really left much of an impression. Largely average. I remember him being particularly terrible against United and Chelsea, though. From highlights, he seems to go to ground a lot and his passing consists of lobbing the ball forward. Not really anything that stands out. Looks like a counterattacking player, and I've had it with that crap style of football.
70 million is absurd, of course, and should not even be considered. Which probably means the club will pay 80 million. But I'd rather get someone else entirely. Or two for that price.
70 million is absurd, of course, and should not even be considered. Which probably means the club will pay 80 million. But I'd rather get someone else entirely. Or two for that price.
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We’re supposed to be bringing wages in line with sensible rates other clubs pat and reducing the squad wage as a whole, per the message of Jim and his new direction for the club. Unless there’s legitimate competition for his signature and £150k ish is what he’s being offered elsewhere, there’s really no need to pay him so much when he’s coming from so little, relatively.
He’s also coming in and earning more than two of our most lauded youngsters who are coming out of the season highly praised. Why should that be?
I’d be interested in knowing what the going rate is for players of his profile going to Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa or Spurs. If it’s in line with what they pay, fait enough, but as far as I’m aware Liverpool aren’t anything like as generous until players earn their stripes at the club, which is what we should be striving for with anything but the players you have to really ward off a host of clubs to land.
I've only watched highlights of him, but even in those highlights he looks clumsy to me.
Not sure why we'd be going near this for the price being touted, or for any price at all really. Is he really good enough regardless of the price?
Not sure why we'd be going near this for the price being touted, or for any price at all really. Is he really good enough regardless of the price?