Jarrad Branthwaite

kaku06 said:
With the so called expertise of Ineos and Co. and we come up with this? I don’t like this transfer at all.
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I just hope that the INEOS mantra isn't "British is Best"
When they are saying that Ashworth, Willcox, Potter & Southgate should be regarded as the very best in class people anywhere in World football, and focusing on Branthwaite when there are so many other great foreign options available, it just feels like they might be fishing from a small pond.
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Indeed.I'd say even Stones. Or pre injury Jones from Blackburn level. Bursting with potential. Not "hang your hat build around this fella now" level like Rio was.
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I agree on Jones. But even someone like Stones had played PL-football for three seasons (in an Everton side that actually tride playing football).

I think we have seen it happen several times that players get hyped up in their first season and fail hard with a bit more expectations on their shoulders the next. I would not be comfortable with spending heavy on him.
 
marktan said:
£50m? No thanks. Tired of trying to sign every semi decent English player for big money. AWB, Maguire, Sancho.. it worked under SAF because SAF could identify a player. This current lot? No chance.

Scout properly and sign someone young for £20m. Natan went for £10m.
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Honestly he does look like the next Maguire, and I would like to avoid that.

I haven't seen him play much, but on YouTube he looks slow as feck.
 
MiracleInMadrid said:
If we intend to get this guy, please make it quick. Get it over the line before Everton eventually twist our hand to overpay. Get in with a bid Everton won't be able to ignore completely and move if they stall the proces.
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I understand that they need to sell by June 30. I don't think they can wait until the end of the transfer window. The transfer will have happened or not by 30th June.
 
If the rumours are true, then it will be the perfect case study to see what INEOS are made of.

Everton are not just going to roll over because of a silly little deadline, and if they end up getting close to world record fees for a CB then it will just prove nothing much has changed at United.
 
Hammondo said:
Honestly he does look like the next Maguire, and I would like to avoid that.

I haven't seen him play much, but on YouTube he looks slow as feck.
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Yeah his big selling points seem to be that he's tall, two footed and has a decent touch and passing. I guess it's good for ball playing on either side of defence but it doesn't scream "title winner" as a skillset to me. Maybe next to a really fast defender but would we drop Martinez for him? Not sure myself.
 
greater wall said:
I understand that they need to sell by June 30. I don't think they can wait until the end of the transfer window. The transfer will have happened or not by 30th June.
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It's an interesting stalemate currently between the club, the Everton placed sources and media, and rags like talksport and the sun. The former two state that we are okay, that we do need to sell but the situation isn't as immediate as being made out and the latter reporting of fire sales/administration is nonsense.

Personally I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We will need to sell an asset prior to June 30th, but we have a month and I think we will try to force a move for someone like Onana prior to players like Pickford/Branthwaite etc. Obviously though we may not have that luxury and if Branthwaite has to go, it may be a cut price deal. Ideally it would still be around the 50m mark. We managed to get 50m + 10m in add-ons for Richy when we needed to sell by June 30th so I don't think it's as doom and gloom as is made out.
 
Hammondo said:
Honestly he does look like the next Maguire, and I would like to avoid that.

I haven't seen him play much, but on YouTube he looks slow as feck.
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He's definitely faster than Maguire, I wonder if they might try and swap them to be honest. Maguire + a fee.
 
SilentWitness said:
It's an interesting stalemate currently between the club, the Everton placed sources and media, and rags like talksport and the sun. The former two state that we are okay, that we do need to sell but the situation isn't as immediate as being made out and the latter reporting of fire sales/administration is nonsense.

Personally I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We will need to sell an asset prior to June 30th, but we have a month and I think we will try to force a move for someone like Onana prior to players like Pickford/Branthwaite etc. Obviously though we may not have that luxury and if Branthwaite has to go, it may be a cut price deal. Ideally it would still be around the 50m mark. We managed to get 50m + 10m in add-ons for Richy when we needed to sell by June 30th so I don't think it's as doom and gloom as is made out.
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Are there any strong links to Onana besides us? I've not seen many other links to other teams.
 
Lash said:
Are there any strong links to Onana besides us? I've not seen many other links to other teams.
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Arsenal and Barcelona have been mentioned and linked in the past. Most recently Bayern and PSG too but it's tricky to know how much is agent talk and how much is concrete interest. He's been like Lukaku where he likes to drum up interest and makes it clear Everton is a stop gap in his career.
 
We already have a first choice left sided centre back. We need a replacement for Varane. And then a decent back up for Martinez.

Branthwaite isn't a back up. He wants to play.
 
SilentWitness said:
Arsenal and Barcelona have been mentioned and linked in the past. Most recently Bayern and PSG too but it's tricky to know how much is agent talk and how much is concrete interest. He's been like Lukaku where he likes to drum up interest and makes it clear Everton is a stop gap in his career.
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Yeah it feels a bit like that. Bayern probably would make sense though, the rest don't seem like as much of a priority position.
 
Lash said:
Yeah it feels a bit like that. Bayern probably would make sense though, the rest don't seem like as much of a priority position.
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I read Ugarte could be making his way out of PSG and Partey out of Arsenal so could be movement for those clubs. Bayern an obvious link too now due to Kompany.
 
SilentWitness said:
I read Ugarte could be making his way out of PSG and Partey out of Arsenal so could be movement for those clubs. Bayern an obvious link too now due to Kompany.
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Was unaware about Ugarte. I think Arsenal wouldn't be wise to spend the money you'd need for him. Yep and the fact a 6 was their priority position last summer, I imagine it will be again.
 
The issue Everton have with quoting these massive fees is the centre back market is flush with talent at the moment, with most of it available at 50m and under. The June deadline is likely an exaggeration, but in the general scheme of things they’ll surely be looking to sell him given their obvious money issues. I imagine if he’s our top target we’d maybe go 5-10m over that 50m mark, but anything more we’d move on to other targets, at which point Everton would be kicking themselves as I’m not sure where else he goes.

I personally think this gets done for 55m (ish).
 
This smacks of “best of British” mentality. He’s a talented young player for sure but buying him and starting him means shifting our only quality centre back in to a different position OR moving Branthwaite.

We need a tall, quick, good on the ball CB on the right side. We do also need a “backup” so if Branthwaite is happy with that, then sure. He’d probably get plenty of games anyway with Martinez’ injury record
 
Hammondo said:
I'm not sure Maguire would agree.
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He was keen for WHUM as long as he didn't lose out on his money, that will be much less now and Everton with Dyche would suit his skillset. Depends how much he wants to stay/go I guess.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
He was keen for WHUM as long as he didn't lose out on his money, that will be much less now and Everton with Dyche would suit his skillset. Depends how much he wants to stay/go I guess.
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Cor, Tarkowski and Maguire at the back. Proper brexit pairing that.
 
Trading assets for other players makes no sense when you're in a financially perilous position. That's silly business. Better business is selling for as high as possible and then replacing said assets with freebies or younger players with resale value.
 
We seem to be clearly after him. I don't think I've seem enough to think he is £60M+. I hope if INEOS do want him we make a take it or leave it offer, no old United Tax and it is decided quickly. We have a lot to do and with Euros coming up need to have early signings for some optimism and show we mean serious business.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Terrible shout
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Great insight. But let's see where they'll end up in a couple of years and whether they'd be parts of a team that win PL or CL.

I don't want another Maguire or Wan-Bissaka type signings and think they'd fall into that category rather than the very best level.

For me both are your typical overrated & overpriced midtable players in the PL; nothing more nothing less. Why should I pay £30m more for a player that has the same quality & does the same job?
 
Adnan said:
I'm not totally sold on his potential ability on the ball. If we sign Branthwaite I hope he proves me wrong. But personally I think for what Everton will want for him, it would be better for us to look elsewhere. I think the CB market is quite vast and I don't believe we should spend the money Everton will want for him.
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I agree about the price tag but keep in mind that with Branthwaite Everton are selling a guarantee that the player will cope with the physicality of the PL.

And we know painfully well how deceiving player qualities can be in other leagues.
 
georgipep said:
I agree about the price tag but keep in mind that with Branthwaite Everton are selling a guarantee that the player will cope with the physicality of the PL.

And we know painfully well how deceiving player qualities can be in other leagues.
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Agreed about the physicality and he can obviously handle the physical side of the game in the league. His out of possession game seems fine to me and it will develop further as he progresses in his carreer.

I also agree about other leagues being deceptive in comparison to the strength of the EPL. And I can understand why signing players from within the league could be seen as a advantage. But I personally think that we should look outside of the league due to the CB market looking very interesting. And I would personally hope we look to sign a CB who ticks all the boxes as far as technical ability on the ball is concerned along with the pace and power to win duels.

I think if we want to play out from the back in a higher defensive line, then I feel it's important to sign a CB who possesses the physical, athletic and technical qualities that are required. And I feel if we want to play a more dominant brand of football then we have to at the very least show intent in how we go about recruiting the players and how those players fit into the way we want to develop the team going forward.

I could be totally wrong but I would look outside of the EPL to look for the CB who possesses all the qualities required to develop into the CB we want. And I feel we should look for a up and coming CB with the potential to develop into the role who possess the attributes that can be developed further. I would personally make a move for SCP CB, Ousmane Diomande. He won't be cheap either, but I feel he has the attributes to develop further and handle the physicality of the league whilst having good ability on the ball.

I think whichever league we look to sign the player from, there should be intent as far as targeting players to fit into a play style that will require high technical quality and physicality and athleticism to defend in 1v1s higher up the pitch.
 
Harry Maguire was PL proven and an England player. We still overpaid.
 
@SilentWitness

Mate, Ive been watching some highlights of Brantwaithe.

If i had to compare him to a ex United player it would actually be Nemanja Vidic.

He seems like a defender who is physically a complete monster who is going to get down and dirty to block 'the attack'. Slide tackling, progressive tackles, using his head etc.

I feel like people might be wanting the next Rio Ferdinand though and may not be seeing the benefit for that Vidic type defender.

Do you agree? He can make passes but he isnt Lisandro Martinez either, he is more there for the defensive ability than the ball playing ability.

Seems like a Vidic with the height of Mertersacker - which is actually quite scary!
 
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DontBeMeanToBeRuud said:
@SilentWitness

Mate, Ive been watching some highlights of Brantwaithe.

If i had to compare him to a ex United player it would actually be Nemanja Vidic.

He seems like a defender who is physically a complete monster who is going to get down and dirty to block 'the attack'. Slide tackling, progressive tackles, using his head etc.

I feel like people might be wanting the next Rio Ferdinand though and may not be seeing the benefit for that Vidic type defender.

Do you agree? He can make passes but he isnt Lisandro Martinez either, he is more there for the defensive ability than the ball playing ability.

Seems like a Vidic with the height of Mertersacker - which is actually quite scary!
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I agree that he's a no nonsense old school defender first and foremost that does all of those basic attributes well. I think I mentioned in the thread before that he's not a better ball player than Martinez but that's no alright since Lisandro excels at that. I don't think Branthwaite is as poor as people are saying though in that aspect and he's fine at it and can also improve in that area/in a side that does want to play that way as shown at PSV.
 
Everton want 80m but we are reportedly only willing to pay 40m which they will never accept, we should move on to other targets.
 
I think he’s absolute quality. But it’s too similar to how we have done our business and unless we’re sure if he’s elite level, no point throwing 60+ million. Better to look in other European leagues.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Everton want 80m but we are reportedly only willing to pay 40m which they will never accept, we should move on to other targets.
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United’s valuation more realistic. I hope it’s not another summer of paying too much for players.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Everton want 80m but we are reportedly only willing to pay 40m which they will never accept, we should move on to other targets.
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I like that we are making lower offers.

Each transfer is more than 20 million extra just when we are interested.

I would have imagined Rice would have cost us 125 compared to 105 of Arsenal's bid.

We need to show clubs the value of their players to us than their value to a club of Uniteds stature.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Everton want 80m but we are reportedly only willing to pay 40m which they will never accept, we should move on to other targets.
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They won’t get that. Plus they need to sell to even their books so it will probably get done for 50/60m.
 
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