Great. Good to hear somebody in this club finally has some balls and brains.
Jarrad Branthwaite
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Great. Good to hear somebody in this club finally has some balls and brains.
Nice one! Previously we’d have coughed up £80m for Branthwaite. Feels great to finally have people in the building that know what they’re doing.
Can we get a better source?
You just know under previous regime we would have spent the money on him even while injured.
Wait, Branthwaite is a star now!!
Good move. You’ve got to assess the player and get the value from there, the last thing you should do is get into the nonsensical relative market which leads to stuff like “Maguire was 90 so this player is worth the same” when Maguire was obviously never worth 90 and flopped.
Gvardiol was worth mega money because he can do just about everything you could want in a CB, LB, and probably even DM. Brainthwaite is nothing like that level of player and his value might drop a bit by next summer.
Gvardiol was worth mega money because he can do just about everything you could want in a CB, LB, and probably even DM. Brainthwaite is nothing like that level of player and his value might drop a bit by next summer.
£40m in the Championship.
If Everton go down this year we will revisit this in the summer I imagine.
Originally from The Athletic.
They will probably survive again by the least shit out of the bottom 4 or 5 teams.
Also if they stop taking 2-0 leads they should be fine.
With Everton leaking goals every week it's a good time for him to be out injured.
Unless it’s transfer related, take it to the FF
Very speculative, probably bs story by Talksport
No issue with targeting Branthwaite in a general sense, and we'll certainly need to make further CB signings this summer.
But the impression I was under is that Amorim's set-up requires the wide CBs to be very progressive, which Branthwaite isn't particularly. And I would have thought the central CB role would be primarily occupied by De Ligt, who has also struggled at times as the wide CB for Netherlands. So I would have thought a different profile of CB would be the priority if you want coverage across the back three.
But the impression I was under is that Amorim's set-up requires the wide CBs to be very progressive, which Branthwaite isn't particularly. And I would have thought the central CB role would be primarily occupied by De Ligt, who has also struggled at times as the wide CB for Netherlands. So I would have thought a different profile of CB would be the priority if you want coverage across the back three.
Obviously we'll continue to monitor him and his form. You don't spend the majority of time in previous summer trying to sign him to then completely rule him out.
I think he will go next summer and his price will decrease. Probably to what you were going for initially which was around the 50m mark. Dyche seems determined to drop his value by maintaining Keane in the side over him. Weird manager.
mufcmpb will say anything.
He's not done great for Everton, if we could get him for cheap sure.
He's not done great for Everton, if we could get him for cheap sure.
He's not going to be cheap, but we clearly have to focus on buying some English talent now. Considering we've binned off Sancho, Greenwood, Lingard, Pereira who was homegrown, McTominay homegrown, AWB.
We'll also surely sell Rashford, Shaw and Maguire soon too. We need to sign young English talents so I'd be up for this signing. He can be the taller and faster Martinez alternative at LCB.
We'll also surely sell Rashford, Shaw and Maguire soon too. We need to sign young English talents so I'd be up for this signing. He can be the taller and faster Martinez alternative at LCB.
So was it worth keeping him for another season and demanding an outrageous fee that turned away United? Now you will probably get even less than what United were paying last season.
I really don't get the obsession over this guy, especially now that we have Amorim. He doesn't suit his tactics at all. If we go for a LCB it's gotta be Inacio or someone of a similar profile.
Remains to be seen. There is still a long way to go this season so plenty of time for him to get back up to speed and perform but the club took a calculated risk and it's not played out currently due to injury and Dyche.
I think it was always a case of the risk of keeping him and his value dropping was better than the risk of relegaion and the financial ruin that would cause.
Who knows though, both could happen at this rate.
Seen a few overrated British players at Everton over the years. Is he more Wayne Rooney level talent or Barkley/Rodwell? I've not seen enough but the games I have seen he's not been amazing, bar a few fleeting moments. There must be something behind the hype?
Probably somewhere in between? Barkley has still forged a pretty good career and is a squad player at a CL club and played for Chelsea too. Rooney is one of the best players to ever grace the PL (He's my favourite and top pick along with Henry).
Branthwaite is a player who has the potential to be a CL and International starter but he won't be the best CB to ever exist in the PL.
Barkley has done ok but he hasn't lived up to the early hype, which obviously isn't a complete disaster when he was being compared to generational talents like Rooney and Gerrard. I think if we are to sign a player who is young and probably very expensive, then we will need to make sure that we get it right. There seem to be other similarly regarded CBs around Europe that probably won't command the same fee, and that is the issue I'd have with this one. Although I do think it is important to try to maintain a British core to our team, as long as they're good enough.
He hasn't but I think people forget that Barkley has suffer major injury in his career. He had a badly broken leg as a 16 year old and then he suffered with a severe hamstring injury just before he left to Chelsea - he should have stayed a season more to rehabilitate with us then move - that was a poor career choice on his part and set him back a long way.
I think under Amorim we’d see Shaw used as a back up left sided centre back to Martinez which would be far less stress on his body and may see him injured less so Branthwaite isn’t a priority in comparison to needing left backs/left wing backs are.
And plan which involves relying on Shaw to do anything, even as a backup, is a horrible plan.
We should, and probably will, look elsewhere.
Branthwaite is a good player, but Amorim seems to value Calafiori-esque playmaking and ball-carrying expertise at the wide centerback positions.
Both Zeno Debast and Gonçalo Inácio (Sporting CP's wide centerbacks this term) are calm, cool, and collected in possession — and crucially, inventive, expansive and forward-thinking passers (that combination gives the collective an extra dimension).
Statistics can be misleading, but in this case they corroborate a reasonably straightforward eye-test.
If Debast, for example, is younger, not as formidable in the air but 6'3" and athletically up to scratch, a superior playmaker who is more suited to the coach's plans, and unlikely to cost more, why would one sign Branthwaite?
Branthwaite is a good player, but Amorim seems to value Calafiori-esque playmaking and ball-carrying expertise at the wide centerback positions.
Both Zeno Debast and Gonçalo Inácio (Sporting CP's wide centerbacks this term) are calm, cool, and collected in possession — and crucially, inventive, expansive and forward-thinking passers (that combination gives the collective an extra dimension).
Statistics can be misleading, but in this case they corroborate a reasonably straightforward eye-test.
If Debast, for example, is younger, not as formidable in the air but 6'3" and athletically up to scratch, a superior playmaker who is more suited to the coach's plans, and unlikely to cost more, why would one sign Branthwaite?
A big, mobile CB who's a good passer and can play across all 3 CBs slots isn't a good tactical fit?
And why would you go for a LCB when you have Martinez playing there? He would most likely be the middle CB, could also comfortably play on the right given he's almost completely two-footed.
We should, and probably will, look elsewhere.
Branthwaite is a good player, but Amorim seems to value Calafiori-esque playmaking and ball-carrying expertise at the wide centerback positions.
Both Zeno Debast and Gonçalo Inácio (Sporting CP's wide centerbacks this term) are calm, cool, and collected in possession — and crucially, inventive, expansive and forward-thinking passers (that combination gives the collective an extra dimension).
Statistics can be misleading, but in this case they corroborate a reasonably straightforward eye-test.
If Debast, for example, is younger, not as formidable in the air but 6'3" and athletically up to scratch, a superior playmaker who is more suited to the coach's plans, and unlikely to cost more, why would one sign Branthwaite?
If he’d accept, I’d rather bring Alvaro back from Benfica. I think he has the skill-set to deputise both for Martinez at LCB aswell as LM for whoever will be taking that starting berth.
Playing him in that role would be a complete waste, he's a wing back by all his traits far more than a full back or wide centre back
He's clumsy and defensively suspect.
Agree with the sentiment that Branthwaite probably isn’t an ideal tactical fit for Amorim.
Two prospects I prefer would be:
1) Mika Faye - Barca academy product who we were linked to him in the summer but decided to take a stepping stone move to Rennes. Composed, looks great on the ball and very physical, whilst not seeming to be a player constantly dives into challenges which I like.
2) Jorrel Hato - Ajax prospect who is vice captain I believe at the age of 18. Taller than Faye, has great recovery pace and defends the channels well. Dives into challenges a bit more but must have something about him to be a captain at that age, similar to De Ligt.
Both likely to be cheaper than Branthwaite too…
Two prospects I prefer would be:
1) Mika Faye - Barca academy product who we were linked to him in the summer but decided to take a stepping stone move to Rennes. Composed, looks great on the ball and very physical, whilst not seeming to be a player constantly dives into challenges which I like.
2) Jorrel Hato - Ajax prospect who is vice captain I believe at the age of 18. Taller than Faye, has great recovery pace and defends the channels well. Dives into challenges a bit more but must have something about him to be a captain at that age, similar to De Ligt.
Both likely to be cheaper than Branthwaite too…
Don't think we'll be signing anyone from Ajax any time soon tbh.
He's a decent passer but not on the level of Diomande or Inacio, in terms of progressing the ball and build up play. We are not in need of a LCB but we have many right footed CBs while only Martinez who can play with his left foot and given his injury problems we might definitely need competition there, much more than middle CB.
John Stones is the more obvious point of comparison.
I'd say Branthwaite has been more consistently good for Everton than Stones was, but Stones' skillset (with much heavier emphasis on ball-playing ability) arguably made him a better prospect for top level sides where that is particularly valued.
I’ll take your word for it.
I think he looks very compatible for the role Inacio plays for Amorim currently. It’s always been said Alvaro could once turn out a CM and as he grows into his body I think he’d be a very good prospect for the LCB role.
Branthwaite is not at all consistent though.