Jarrad Branthwaite

Well shit that sucks!

Everton's misfortune is our misfortune, getting Branflake over De Ligt is not great at all.

Also, I might be the only one but I kind of like Everton.
Yeah, proper club. Shame what's happening to them over there. Hopefully they can somehow sort it out and stay in the top flight.

Also, I'm not sure if we'd be after Branthwaite anyway. I'm thinking maybe INEOS wanted a young potential CB and a more senior experienced one in De Ligt. let's see though.
 
He's a level below Yoro but still an excellent prospect. Athleticism, comfortable playing either side, good base level technicality, top tier duel winner. I promise Everton fans aren't just lying to you about his quality. People need to get over themselves.
I don't see big prospect there. Average defender without bigger flaws but also without being great in anything.
But, i do have a faith in our new football setup so if they think he is good enough then fine. I just don't see it myself.
 
Yeah, proper club. Shame what's happening to them over there. Hopefully they can somehow sort it out and stay in the top flight.

Also, I'm not sure if we'd be after Branthwaite anyway. I'm thinking maybe INEOS wanted a young potential CB and a more senior experienced one in De Ligt. let's see though.

I would agree with that last paragraph if he didn't offer us more balance by being able to play LCB
 
I'm not sure you understood my post. I'm agreeing that Jarrad is an excellent prospect, just a level below (as a prospect) compared to Yoro. Still very good. Hence why I'd happily have him as well.

Fair enough. However I believe that there is more to it then just potential. Jarrad complement yoro. Jarrad is the Vidic while yoro is the Rio. That's why, if the price is right, I think we would go for jarrad rather then de ligt
 
Branthwaite is most importantly a rare physical profile for me. Big, tall, strong, but still has very good pace and mobility. I think just this rare combination, similar to Hojlund, makes him a very good prospect for the future, but he's also someone who's already good enough to massively contribute from day 1.

His box defending also improved a lot last season at Everton IMO, as defending deep for large portions of every game was a big change up from what he was used to, in a more dominant team at PSV in the Eredivisie. Box defending was one of Varane's biggest strengths when he played for United, but in my opinion he was not good enough to play in a high line. With Branthwaite, he's perfectly suited for that whilst also being on the course to becoming an excellent box defender. He would be a long-term project, just like Yoro, but the Englishman is a further ahead in his development and in my opinion he's ready to play most of a whole campaign at Manchester United at 22, unlike Leny, who will need to be slowly phased in for the first 1-2 seasons, due to having much less experience (50+ Ligue games at 18 is still very impressive, mind you) and being 3 years younger.
Interesting post. If we don't get Branthwaite this summer, I probably do need to watch him more closely in any games of his I do catch.

Agree with you about Yoro, which I think many have missed. His game time will need to be managed. So we do some else alongside Martinez ala De ligt or Branthwaite.

Probably for a different thread, but the amount of game time young players are getting now has exploded and we don't know what the repercussions are for their long term career. Bellingham has played triple the amount of minutes that Beckham and Lampard did at the same age. Yamal is getting alot of game time at 16/17. We have a 14 year old in MLS.

It used to be players peaked around 27/28 years old, though their first team debut came around 20/21/22.

Now with them starting so young you wonder if their peak years will be earlier ie. 24/25 and whether their bodies will be able to keep them playing into their mid 30s.
 
Interesting post. If we don't get Branthwaite this summer, I probably do need to watch him more closely in any games of his I do catch.

Agree with you about Yoro, which I think many have missed. His game time will need to be managed. So we do some else alongside Martinez ala De ligt or Branthwaite.

Probably for a different thread, but the amount of game time young players are getting now has exploded and we don't know what the repercussions are for their long term career. Bellingham has played triple the amount of minutes that Beckham and Lampard did at the same age. Yamal is getting alot of game time at 16/17. We have a 14 year old in MLS.

It used to be players peaked around 27/28 years old, though their first team debut came around 20/21/22.

Now with them starting so young you wonder if their peak years will be earlier ie. 24/25 and whether their bodies will be able to keep them playing into their mid 30s.

I think Yoro's decision not to wait around for Madrid was probably heavily influenced, amongst other things, by the amount of minutes he would get at United, opposed to Madrid. I hope this doesn't mean that he will be playing 3500-4000 minutes or more starting from his first season. I think that's probably what the player prefers, but it would be a risky decision regarding potential long-term effects.

I think him being 3rd/4th choice, but still with sufficient overall playing minutes for the next two seasons behind Martínez and Branthwaite, and even potentially Maguire is the optimal thing to do. If we get de Ligt instead, though, I'd be in favor of letting Maguire go, as they are very similar type of defenders. No use having two of them in the same squad and they would probably not make a good pairing either. It's also one of the reason I'd prefer Branthwaite to de Ligt personally.
 


Maybe related to this


Offer them 35+5.

Take it or leave it.

Or we'll just take him for less next summer when they are getting relegated through points deductions and what not. That's assuming their entire club doesn't get folded and fire sale.
 
Personally, I would prefer if we signed Branthwaite rather than De Ligt. While De Ligt brings significant experience, Branthwaite offers versatility, as he can cover both left center-back and left-back positions, which better address our current needs. I have no confidence on Martinez and Shaw maintaining fitness throughout the entire season.
 
Some incredibly silly opinions in here right now.

They are desperate for 600m in the long term. Not 30m in the short term.

The news today changes nothing and may very well see them guard their assets more carefully.
 
From what I've been hearing from the reporters and other channels we are business as usual and the news doesn't change anything as we were always operating on our own basis without thinking about possible Friedkin ownership so I imagine if you bid that then it will be rejected again. They could be wrong though of course.
 
From what I've been hearing from the reporters and other channels we are business as usual and the news doesn't change anything as we were always operating on our own basis without thinking about possible Friedkin ownership so I imagine if you bid that then it will be rejected again. They could be wrong though of course.
Makes sense. Anyone else on the horizon for ownership?
 
From what I've been hearing from the reporters and other channels we are business as usual and the news doesn't change anything as we were always operating on our own basis without thinking about possible Friedkin ownership so I imagine if you bid that then it will be rejected again. They could be wrong though of course.

I suppose from a business perspective, you're a less attractive prospect to a potential new owner if you've just flogged one of your biggest playing assets, even if it was at market value.

£50 million towards whatever debts you've got doesn't really matter if you've just lost one of your key players and face the prospect of a relegation battle. It could literally be the difference between the new owners buying a Premier League club or one about to drop into the Championship.
 
From what I've been hearing from the reporters and other channels we are business as usual and the news doesn't change anything as we were always operating on our own basis without thinking about possible Friedkin ownership so I imagine if you bid that then it will be rejected again. They could be wrong though of course.

Does "business as usual" mean getting docked points every year?

I say this as a united fan who doesn't have a lot of trust in owners over the last 10 years
 
Does "business as usual" mean getting docked points every year?

I say this as a united fan who doesn't have a lot of trust in owners over the last 10 years
I wouldn't imagine so as according to the reports we passed PSR. Not sure how this impacts that though.
 


That's all well and fine, let's move ahead and close the gap with De Ligt then.

We already signed a young CB prospect, we need an experienced one now. Should cost quite a bit less than 70m too...
 
I am actually okay with missing out on him. Everton value him way higher than what we should pay for him. De Ligt is better option considering we need to invest in midfield as well
 
Go back in for him next summer if the funds are there and go get De Ligt this summer. Another year at Everton won't hurt his development and maybe they'll finally get relegated.
 
Let Everton keep him. We will have Shaw to rotate with Martinez and buy a new LB.
 
Fair enough really.

He makes a lot of sense as a long-term target, but the reality seems to be he's currently worth substantially more to Everton than he is to us.
 
If true we should definitely move on and conclude the De Ligt deal (or another target if they've been working on others).

Happy to draw a line under this one - while remembering it for future negotiations between the clubs. Definitely hope we play hardball over any future dealings and don't sell for any reduced fees.
 
It’s funny how people see positives in situations that are the same. Everton have an asking price that United refuse to meet.

Bayern Munich have an asking price United refuse to meet. But for some reason posters think Everton’s stance means we can go and get De Ligt.

Neither are happening unless the selling clubs loses their stance. We aren’t getting anymore defenders.
 
It’s funny how people see positives in situations that are the same. Everton have an asking price that United refuse to meet.

Bayern Munich have an asking price United refuse to meet. But for some reason posters think Everton’s stance means we can go and get De Ligt.

Neither are happening unless the selling clubs loses their stance. We aren’t getting anymore defenders.
Both situations aren’t the same. We closer in valuation to De Ligt. De Ligt is more experienced, is a better defender and cheaper. He has played with our manager and we need a defender. Push comes to shove we will sign De Ligt over Brathwaite this summer. Majority of the cafe wants us to sign De Ligt and with Everton not budging there are more chances of us signing De Ligt.
 
It’s funny how people see positives in situations that are the same. Everton have an asking price that United refuse to meet.

Bayern Munich have an asking price United refuse to meet. But for some reason posters think Everton’s stance means we can go and get De Ligt.

Neither are happening unless the selling clubs loses their stance. We aren’t getting anymore defenders.
Uhhhh, a bit different as Bayern want to sell De Ligt and the asking price they've set is much more reasonable compared to Everton who have said that they don't want to sell. Funny how you don't see that.
 
It’s funny how people see positives in situations that are the same. Everton have an asking price that United refuse to meet.

Bayern Munich have an asking price United refuse to meet. But for some reason posters think Everton’s stance means we can go and get De Ligt.

Neither are happening unless the selling clubs loses their stance. We aren’t getting anymore defenders.

Very different situations.

First, because the fees involved for De Ligt are smaller. Second, because Bayern want to sell De Ligt, where Everton don't want to sell Branthwaite.

Obviously that makes one transfer much easier than the other.
 
Very different situations.

First, because the fees involved for De Ligt are smaller. Second, because Bayern want to sell De Ligt, where Everton don't want to sell Branthwaite.

Obviously that makes one transfer much easier than the other.

Yeah exactly definitely not comparable
 
It’s funny how people see positives in situations that are the same. Everton have an asking price that United refuse to meet.

Bayern Munich have an asking price United refuse to meet. But for some reason posters think Everton’s stance means we can go and get De Ligt.

Neither are happening unless the selling clubs loses their stance. We aren’t getting anymore defenders.

Nonsense. Everton's asking price is well beyond what's reasonable, and what should be spent on a player of that level. It's a feck off price. Bayern want to sell and that's just a matter of negotiating. De Ligt will happen, and it has to happen. Heading into the new season with Martinez, Yoro, Maguire, and Lindelof is lunacy.

I just hope no more time is wasted on this particular deal.
 
This would work in our favour if we pull out of this nonsense valuation by Everton under our new ownership, it will show other prospective sellers that we are no longer managed by idiots that will pay over the odds for players without a proper back up plans coming into the transfer window.