I'm simply commenting on the fact that the fee you were prepared to bid would have placed him at the upper end of that list, which would imply that your club believes he is, or at least a top one.
Jarrad Branthwaite
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I'm simply commenting on the fact that the fee you were prepared to bid would have placed him at the upper end of that list, which would imply that your club believes he is, or at least a top one.
I suppose that puts him around Ben White which is probably comparable and a reasonable ceiling. Most would say that White was sold for above market value at the time and there’s definitely a “tax” you expect for buying English and buying a player from another PL club that they want to keep hold of.
Of course ultimately the true price is dependent on what you’re prepared to sell him for but I see that being around the maximum we should go to without feeling like we’ve significantly overpaid.
Oh yeah that’s fair enough. I’d also like to think the new regime have a better eye on which players are worth the big bucks compared to Woodward and co but time will tell!
Very good post.
Fair point.
But I think that is about the valuation most fans would be happy with and see as a true reflection of his ability - with the English / PL aspect included in that figure.
The frustration is not that it was rejected, but that its deemed an insult and nowhere near his 'true' valuation. Whereas that actually is around his true valuation, looking at other CB prices, and it's the Everton figure that is OTT going off market prices - not our bid that's an insult.
Crap. Wanted De ligt rather than Branthwaite.
I wonder is the money from that second offer still available. Probably need sales in defence to fund it again. I wouldn't go up but i might just state its still on the table. Think after buying Yoro this just makes a lot less sense and we should go elsewhere.
Sucks for Everton, they cant catch a break.
Sucks for Everton, they cant catch a break.
Could also allow us to utilise Martinez at left back in the case of an emergency or failure to secure another LB (if Malacia is going to be sold)
They have financial troubles no way they can afford Harry's wage.
Martinez himself is susceptible to a long-term absence, so in any situation having Branthwaite or another comfortable left-sided player makes a lot of sense.
Good point. Pity though, it would have killed two birds with one stone.
It's really not, we need 3 top level CB's.
Branthwaite is everything but top level.
Ideally but you don't think that in a context where we could do with better starters in midfield and wings, adding a big money rotational starter is strange?
I think this is one that gets done on transfer deadline day. Some more sales needed if we’re seriously pursuing him.
I feel bad now. We should give them the £80m.
I feel sorry for them. 30m, Mejbri and Lindelof should do the trick. It will add some cash in their coffers while providing them with ready made replacement for Onana and the Carlisle Kaiser
Too kind of an offer, they need the money desperately, we should stick to our current bid or reduce it.
I'm of the opinion that you aren't going to solve every issue in one window, so if I can solidify an area of the squad to make it a full on strength with quality right now I'd rather do so than try to buy for every "need" and end up just scattering the budget on players that are just decent but not really ideal targets. Martinez/Yoro/Branthwaite is an elite trio for the future and completely reshapes our defense.
He's a level below Yoro but still an excellent prospect. Athleticism, comfortable playing either side, good base level technicality, top tier duel winner. I promise Everton fans aren't just lying to you about his quality. People need to get over themselves.
It kind of seems like a one in one out at the moment. Varane and Martial are gone, Zirkzee and Yoro have replaced them.
I think we'll spend money without sales but they wont be big fees. It'll be amrabat for 25m and a cheap left footed defender. Lindelof, Wan Bisakka, Maguire, McTominay, Casemiro will have to go to spend big fee's
Potential wise sure, currently its not the case. Also Jarrad is LCB while Yoro is RCB. Jarrad is the typical EPL CB but with pace. He's got a 6ft5 frame and he's excellent in air. Yoro is a far better passer but he's not as imposing in air.
Offer them £30 million and Maguire or
Lindelof take it or leave it. If no move on and go for another target. Still think we need another Centre back this window.
Lindelof take it or leave it. If no move on and go for another target. Still think we need another Centre back this window.
How does Hazza Magazza plus £10m sound?
He would provide better balance than De Ligt,however saw it suggested on the other thread that De Ligt is also ambidextrous too
Who knows, there may be a few more sales that could surprise us where we can use the funds to reinvest the midfield and wings.
Yes. Maybe they will be obstanant and refuse to sell at less than £70mil so we can go for de ligt instead.
Yeah could go either way but I think more likely outcome is they need to raise cash (so no longer need an impossible to turndown offer) and they'll come to the negotiation table with a more realistic valuation
Maybe it's me. I have seen Everton play on TV. I've watched @raaes analysis on his Pythagoras in Boots YouTube channel. I just do not see the hype around the lad. Other than he can play on left or right side as the CB. Which a trait of modern day football.
Yoro on the other hand, I can see abit of VVD and Ferdinand in him so I can see why people are excited.
Then again Branthwaite might go onto have a career like John Terry or Phil Jones (covering both bases there).
Hoping that happens, no doubt getting money for players (outside of Mason) is biggest challenge
They did ask for Maguire's (money) so Maguire and 30m sounds fair
Yeah I agree. I'm a bit meh about him and would rather have De Ligt but willing to give the new structure the benefit of the doubt. Could be their first error.
Branthwaite is most importantly a rare physical profile for me. Big, tall, strong, but still has very good pace and mobility. I think just this rare combination, similar to Hojlund, makes him a very good prospect for the future, but he's also someone who's already good enough to massively contribute from day 1.
His box defending also improved a lot last season at Everton IMO, as defending deep for large portions of every game was a big change up from what he was used to, in a more dominant team at PSV in the Eredivisie. Box defending was one of Varane's biggest strengths when he played for United, but in my opinion he was not good enough to play in a high line. With Branthwaite, he's perfectly suited for that whilst also being on the course to becoming an excellent box defender. He would be a long-term project, just like Yoro, but the Englishman is a further ahead in his development and in my opinion he's ready to play most of a whole campaign at Manchester United at 22, unlike Leny, who will need to be slowly phased in for the first 1-2 seasons, due to having much less experience (50+ Ligue games at 18 is still very impressive, mind you) and being 3 years younger.
I'm not sure you understood my post. I'm agreeing that Jarrad is an excellent prospect, just a level below (as a prospect) compared to Yoro. Still very good. Hence why I'd happily have him as well.
Not sureif "not good enough" is how I'd describe Varane in a high line, he just wasn't physically able to as well as he could. Was less about skill and more about his body.
Out of all our defender pairings in the last 3 years, I'm pretty sure when Varane was one of the two centre halves, we always played a very low defensive line, one of the lowest in the league. I also think he wasn't good enough on the ball and in the build-up. Our right hand side suffered a lot when Varane played RCB with AWB next to him at right-back. The physical qualities used to be there for Varane, but he also wasn't 25 anymore. Having Dalot and potentially Yoro and Branthwaite there instead will be night and day compared to Varane + AWB.